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Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 13:18
See his column in this weekend's Rugby Paper.

It just won't go away will it?! winking smiley

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Chris holi (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 14:29
Got a link?

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 14:45
Paywall unfortunately.

In summary, what's the point in relegation when on paper Bris will just come back up. Furthermore the new system without play-offs, particularly next season, could look even more ridiculous when we're home & dry by Feb (in theory!)

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
ROLLO (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 15:35
The problem is that when it is put as it is in the article it seems too sensible/obvious.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
J6/7 (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 20:11
There are several exceptions to this rule, including Bristol, who remained in the Championship for five or six seasons before making a fleeting return! London Welsh are definetely an exception given that they have now dropped down a further league, and Rotherham and Leeds have also spent time in the top league, I believe Leeds went up a couple of times and Rotherham went up and down and would have gained promotion on another occasion but the RFU ruled their facilities were not up to scratch (Fortunately for Leeds who should have been relegated that season but stayed put courtesy of Rotherham, as would Bristol if Ealing had pulled off promotion)! None of those clubs maintained their competitiveness following the drop!

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 21:50
I still have half a mind that Carnegie might sensibly decide not to take it if they somehow squeeze past Irish.

Nowhere near the infrastructure or support needed to succeed in the Prem, and their best players are being picked off by others already.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 22:31
Stupid suggestion. Both of our season's wouldve been over by November.

Look at the celtic league... a terrible, uninteresting league where there is very little to play for. The premiership in its current state is absolutely booming.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
08 May, 2017 22:43
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WorcesterSauce
Stupid suggestion. Both of our season's wouldve been over by November.
Look at the celtic league... a terrible, uninteresting league where there is very little to play for. The premiership in its current state is absolutely booming.

Agree in part, but the problem is more the dire state that this leaves the Championship in, with only one or two clubs realistically able to challenge to win it each year.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Cotman (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 10:01
I don't see why we cannot have a 13 or 14 aviva premiership and still have relegation.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
CF_Doom (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 10:57
Why not have a national North and South (or east west) Championship (two divisions) and the winner of each plays each other, with the winner being promoted?

It would make more financial sense, less travel etc.

A 14 team Prem ringfenced for 5 years would work as it enables each club to manage being in the Prem (or not).

I'd scrap the Anglo/Welsh cup though and develop the A league.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 14:29
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Cotman
I don't see why we cannot have a 13 or 14 aviva premiership and still have relegation.

We could and probably should in the long term but the next couple of years there will probably be only 13 viable premiership teams (Leeds funding runs out this season so need promotion over LI) so the logic is you put a temporary halt on relegation, promote LI plus Leedshire, and then address the championship situation. Maybe work out a TV deal with the premiership/championship together when that runs out in a couple of years to help with funding then have promotion and relegation reinstated with a big media push.

As it stands there are no championship clubs who want to be promoted aside from the two contesting the final so logically you bring those up and allow the likes of Doncaster, Ealing, Pirates and co time to build until they want a crack at the top.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/05/2017 14:30 by Rinkadink.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
WorcesterSauce (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 17:55
rinkadink under that suggestion what would be the point in the likes of leeds, irish, bristol, worcester as clubs for 5 years?

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 19:35
Who said anything about five years and what do you mean what would be the point of clubs? If it's their purpose then the same as they are now, nothing changes and we all strive to move upwards on the table.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Cotman (IP Logged)
14 May, 2017 20:20
Plus from an RFU or any other international team point of view more of a selection base.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 01:52
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inatthebreakdown
I still have half a mind that Carnegie might sensibly decide not to take it if they somehow squeeze past Irish.
Nowhere near the infrastructure or support needed to succeed in the Prem, and their best players are being picked off by others already.

We absolutely have the infrastructure.

And if you're suggesting that we shouldn't go up because our level of support couldn't sustain a Premiership club, then you'd also have to rule out the vast majority of clubs currently in the Premiership.

We'd get battered in the Premiership, but a years worth of Premiership money followed by a parachute payment mean it would still be worth it.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
thorpebayexile (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 07:36
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leemingtyke
We'd get battered in the Premiership, but a years worth of Premiership money followed by a parachute payment mean it would still be worth it.

Unfortunately that's not how it happens. Ask Bedford and London Welsh.

The only way to do it with a view for surviving financially is by not investing in the squad if you went up and pocketing the money whilst taking 60 or 70 point tankings.

Professional pride has meant that no-one has ever done this and the financial hit for going up and then down again, along with the complete disruption to the squad on both the going up and going down, has been very heavy.

Bedford nearly went the way of LW and the club sensibly made the decision to focus on being a key player in the second league and maintain a great sustainable rugby club. They are probably the best supported tier 2 club, other than the dropping premiership side.

Leeds have bounced in and out of the premiership but realistically would struggle financially to fund the sort of international filled sides that are needed to compete now.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Neale Harvey (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 14:33
Bottom line is some Prem clubs don't want funding to be shared 14 ways as it will cost them circa 500k per annum. Plus PRL want jeopardy of relegation to maintain interest and like the Anglo-Welsh as a development tool. Until any of those stances change, the status quo will remain. Creates huge issues for clubs hanging around that 10/11/12th place but not enough to persuade the 'secure' eight or nine to change their minds.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Bris nut (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 15:17
Wouldn't the 2 extra homes games cover that 500k for most teams ?
12/5 k supporters at each spending average 20 each is 500k

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 16:05
Bris nut, it's not that the home games will not be profitable but rather dividing up the TV/sponsorship money 14 ways instead of 12. It's going to have to be spread out further in the future to cover the championship a little also for the good of the game. It needs to if promotion and relegation are to be maintained also.

 
Re: Colin Boag - Ringfence the Prem
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
15 May, 2017 16:40
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thorpebayexile
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leemingtyke
We'd get battered in the Premiership, but a years worth of Premiership money followed by a parachute payment mean it would still be worth it.

Unfortunately that's not how it happens. Ask Bedford and London Welsh.

The only way to do it with a view for surviving financially is by not investing in the squad if you went up and pocketing the money whilst taking 60 or 70 point tankings.

Agreed. I think that's what we would do in the unlikely scenario that we turn Irish over.

It would at least serve to highlight the complete futility of the Championship with its current funding.

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