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Re: And it begins again....
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
28 November, 2017 17:08
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Gray_Lensman
The brutal solution is to take the Championship under the wing of PRL and cut that loose from the rest of the game. Let's see how quickly the Championship clubs suddenly think ring fencing is a good idea when it is them inside the fence.

This was suggested months ago and many thought it was a good idea on rolling maul and a few other sites. Was funny to see the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness. Also the idea of a parachute payment if they dropped out of the Championship, and complete lack of understanding of why a parachute payment if you drop out of the prem is a good idea even with £7m playing budgets. Guess they want to wreck everything other than the top half of the prem with said stance, could you imagine the amount of clubs going the way of London Welsh?

For those saying another Exeter is not possible; are we not hoping to do that and more on top besides? It's Bristol. Are we not the plucky championship underdog club for 7 (8 including this) years with big dreams and a plan? We clearly aren't part of any "cartel". Fellow Championship clubs don't like us as we apparently aren't one of them, ditto premiership clubs and we have the potential to upset the order of things by becoming established in the top tier thus pushing another out the bottom... we could even hopefully steal the top club in the country (and EU) title, would upset the likes of Exe and Sarries but I highly doubt we would be viewed as darlings like the other two.

No idea how to "fix" the Championship. Our fellow championship clubs were happy until we stopped being the annual punching bag chokers and starting growing again; let's face it we boost their gates, profile, and provide the main interest of this league for the best part of a decade. One or more of them needs to step up and attract investment and more as we have. Ealing are on their way it seems but it's not going to be enough alone. Leeds have apparently failed. LW spectacularly so. In the past Worcester and Exe have done it. Despite the obvious lack of funding from the RFU it's not wholly on them and the Championship needs to realise this and pull their collective socks up across the board.

 
Re: And it begins again....
JamboBris (IP Logged)
28 November, 2017 17:54
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Garym
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JamboBris
Most interested that were only at 5m so far. Leaves a lot of cap space!

Thats this years bill, not what has been promised for next year's recruits already

Yeah so the likes of Luatua and Madigan are included in the 5m. Piutau is going to be marquee and so will Luatua presumably. Therefore around 4.5m towards the gap with Luatua discounted. Leaves us an awful lot of room for recruiting the likes of Gray, Afoa etc that have been rumoured.

 
Re: And it begins again....
AlexInSouthville (IP Logged)
28 November, 2017 19:57
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JamboBris
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Garym
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JamboBris
Most interested that were only at 5m so far. Leaves a lot of cap space!

Thats this years bill, not what has been promised for next year's recruits already

Yeah so the likes of Luatua and Madigan are included in the 5m. Piutau is going to be marquee and so will Luatua presumably. Therefore around 4.5m towards the gap with Luatua discounted. Leaves us an awful lot of room for recruiting the likes of Gray, Afoa etc that have been rumoured.

Thatís assuming we wish to spend up to the cap, but also that we are able to find enough recruits that fit Pat Lams on-field and off-field profile.

 
Re: And it begins again....
flatpat (IP Logged)
28 November, 2017 21:53
Here's a curve ball: "Premiership may be reduced to 10 teams to avoid player strike"!!

[www.theguardian.com]

It suggests 2nd tier would have more support & 2 up/2 dpwn. I'd suggest it would mean more clubs losing out - even with a chunk of premiership money, it's going to be hard to get gates & TV viewers if you're in a division without the likes of Leicester and Sarries. So sooner or later a gap would develop.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 07:48
The 10 + 10 model could work if it is funded correctly, especially as the number of clubs requiring funding would be significantly reduced. It would need some careful thought. One fear would be that it would require some clubs to merge, say Lirish and Ealing or Bristol and B**h.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Big Dave (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 07:52
Maybe it is me but isn't the most likely outcome the situation we have now?

Every year loads of models floated every year heat not light. Every year nothing changes.

 
Re: And it begins again....
AlexInSouthville (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 08:08
This may be the perfect opportunity to create a two-tier British/Irish ringfenced pro league, with relegation/proportion between the 1 and 2, but not between 2 and 3

 
Re: And it begins again....
Jimeno (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 08:51
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Gray_Lensman
The 10 + 10 model could work if it is funded correctly, especially as the number of clubs requiring funding would be significantly reduced. It would need some careful thought. One fear would be that it would require some clubs to merge, say Lirish and Ealing or Bristol and B**h.

Not quite sure about clubs having to merge. We would need 20 clubs capable of competing realistically in the top two leagues - at the moment we have 14(ish).

Mind you it would be one way of Barf getting a decent stadium.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Rich. (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 08:57
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Gray_Lensman
The 10 + 10 model could work if it is funded correctly, especially as the number of clubs requiring funding would be significantly reduced. It would need some careful thought. One fear would be that it would require some clubs to merge, say Lirish and Ealing or Bristol and B**h.

Oh don't start anything on a potential Bris Bath merger. In three years time when we have a very competitive exciting team we will be having 20k + every week and Bath do well by themselves so there is no way there would ever even be a commercial argument for a Bristol Bath merger. in fact the 10 + 10 scenario has the main problem that there aren't 20 teams good enough to fit that model so the last thing you want is the teams to merge.

Two up two down would not be good as with the 10 best teams in the top league it would mean perhaps as many as eight teams being under threat of relegation for a good proportion of the season, with all the impact that has on planning for the future, picking young players, playing risky and exciting rugby etc. If it would just involve English teams there is no way I see this is happening and it is just one of many brainstormed examples that are being discussed today.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Portisteve (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 09:08
In 2020 we will be in the top 6 anyway (if pats plan works) so will have no probs!

 
Re: And it begins again....
Rich. (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 10:26
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Portisteve
In 2020 we will be in the top 6 anyway (if pats plan works) so will have no probs!

But if it is 2 of 10 go down then that would still likely mean we would be primarily fighting to stay up for most of the season

 
Re: And it begins again....
AlexInSouthville (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 10:49
I can't see 10+10 working

Scenario 1 is that it remains English-only....which would retain the current issues around a massive variance in quality of second-tier teams, but also drag more of the Newcastle, Bristol, Irish, Worcs, Sale into either (*at best) yo-yoing between divisions, or (at worst) going under.

Scenario 2 would be that Irish.Welsh/Scottish teams come in to bulk out the 20. This has the benefit that there is acceptable quality from top to bottom of both tiers.

However, my feeling is that a second professional tier is just not feasible. No matter how many number you cut from the top tier )(and therfore put more quality teams into second tier), i think there is simply a limit of interest in English club rugby outside of Europe/Prem

 
Re: And it begins again....
hooter (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 11:38
How about two leagues, north and south made up of seven teams, with playoffs at the end of league matches to decide overall positions.

 
Re: And it begins again....
AlexInSouthville (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 12:44
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hooter
How about two leagues, north and south made up of seven teams, with playoffs at the end of league matches to decide overall positions.

Ok so lets add ourselves and Yorskhire to the 12 curently up there

North;
- Wasps
- Saints
- Tigers
- Sale
- Worcester
- Yorkshire
- Newcastle

South
- London irish
- Bristol
- Exeter
- Gloucester
- Bath
- Sarries
- Quins

Seems reasonable, although perhaps a little skewed in quality to the southern group.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/11/2017 12:45 by AlexInSouthville.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Big Dave (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 13:14
The French are considering 3 professional leagues (or at least they were) by 2020. That seems insane.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Rich. (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 13:43
Of course, and I hate to mention it, there is a big chance this 10 team League thing is simply a method of scaring players into dropping any strike idea - because if we go down to 10 teams that is about 70 players who will drop a division and a lot of salary + if two up two down from a 10 + 10 model then that is a lot of players playing in the premiership who would be unable to guarantee continuing to play in the premiership the year after which has an impact on housing, savings etc

A 10 + 10 model will not happen

 
Re: And it begins again....
Field marshall (IP Logged)
29 November, 2017 21:20
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This may be the perfect opportunity to create a two-tier British/Irish ringfenced pro league
I truly hope this never happens.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Olly (IP Logged)
30 November, 2017 05:35
So do I. Canít see any way Bristol can benefit from a split league. In reality being the newly promoted club we would in all probability end up in the lower league of the two. In essence exactly where we are today. Back where we started.



My glass is again full now bring on the rugby.

 
Re: And it begins again....
Albertfromla (IP Logged)
30 November, 2017 08:57
Reducing the Prem to 10 teams would mean reduceing the number of games per club from 22 to 18 per season. Instead why not limit the number of Prem games played by any one player to 18 out of the 22 league games.The "mickey mouse" cup games could also be looked at some sort of restructuring to address player burn out and other safety issues associated with playing too many games in a season

 
Re: And it begins again....
Rich. (IP Logged)
30 November, 2017 09:20
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Albertfromla
Reducing the Prem to 10 teams would mean reduceing the number of games per club from 22 to 18 per season. Instead why not limit the number of Prem games played by any one player to 18 out of the 22 league games.The "mickey mouse" cup games could also be looked at some sort of restructuring to address player burn out and other safety issues associated with playing too many games in a season

From what I've read, the issue the players have been threatening strike action over is the Premiership proposal to increase the length of the season. The England EPQ squad players already have their number of games limited. The premier Clubs want the season extended so that they have their international players available for more games and therefore they will not want to have a longer season alongside a restriction on their international players which means they don't get them for any more games anyway.

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