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"Nothing is going to change as regards this season".
tbr (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 07:09

 
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Rinkadink (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 18:42
Can someone please post a summary? Cannot read due to the registration thing.

 
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hooter (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 18:45
The clubs have discussed at one of there meetings forming a breakaway league without any input from the rfu, the reason being ring fencing, they are currently trying to find the people who leaked there secret discussion

 
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EverOptimistic (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 18:52
Premiership Rugby could break away from the Rugby Football Union and form a new independent league, according to a report.

The Mail on Sunday claims it has received minutes from a recent meeting between the clubs' chairmen threatening to form an unregulated league separate from the RFU, should the national governing body ultimately turn down the league’s proposal to scrap relegation.
A breakaway would threaten the eight-year, £200 million professional game agreement signed between the RFU and Premiership Rugby Limited back in 2016.
One of the minutes from the board meeting, quoted in The Mail on Sunday, states: ‘If the RFU were to be unwilling to support change, we shall need to ensure access to match officials and player insurance cover (as this is a joint policy), as this would potentially become an unregulated competition.’
Ringfencing the Premiership requires the approval of the PRL’s 13 board members – the current Premiership clubs plus London Irish – as well as that of the RFU.
“As anyone would expect the Premiership Rugby Board will discuss a number of issues at each meeting, with only some of those ever coming off the drawing board and into reality,” said a Premiership Rugby spokesperson.
“Our Board Meetings are a forum for ideas to be discussed but until there is an agreed policy on any issue, these are just ideas.
“The topic of promotion and relegation from Gallagher Premiership Rugby has been discussed since the game turned professional and is of course a topic raised at many of our Board Meetings.
“If a proposal on promotion and relegation is agreed by our Board it will be presented to the RFU. We are in a partnership with the RFU under the Professional Game Agreement.
“Any leak of minutes which are clearly a private record of Board discussions does however represent a serious breach of internal confidentiality which we shall need to formally investigate.”
Acting RFU chief executive Nigel Melville dismissed that possibility back in December, saying: “I think that’s called wishful thinking isn’t it? Suddenly people want something to happen now. Well no, that’s not how it works.
“Should Premier Rugby want to change their structure, they can bring that to the Professional Game Board for a vote and then it would be put to the RFU council. Nothing is going to change as regards this season.”
Scrapping relegation to the Championship – and promotion from it – has been a common topic of discussion among the Premiership clubs in recent years. However, the intensity of those talks has increased this season with several established sides still in danger of dropping into English rugby’s second tier.
Newcastle Falcons are currently bottom of the table after 12 matches and four points clear of safety, one year on from making the Premiership’s semi-finals for the first time.
The 13 clubs that make up PRL are set to imminently receive a substantial investment in excess of £200m following the addition of CVC as a minority shareholder.
Premiership Rugby Limited has launched a formal investigation into the leaking of the minutes, with a spokesman saying: "The Premiership Rugby Board discuss a number of issues at each meeting, with only some of those ever coming off the drawing board and into reality. Our meetings are a forum for ideas to be discussed but until there is an agreed policy, these are just ideas."

 
Re: "Nothing is going to change as regards this season".
Big Dave (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 19:01
Are Leeds now out of this forever?

 
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Singapore Sam (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 20:15
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Are Leeds now out of this forever?

Probably so, they were compelled to sell their P shares to Exeter some years ago, and although the funds were supposed to be ring fenced to repurchase them if they returned to the Premiership some fans concerned that has not been the case? They've been out of the top flight so long lost all their A shares, and currently languishing near the bottom of the Championship. All rather depressing for a once great club.

 
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Standardprocedure (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 21:25
'once great club'? Leeds? Oh come on!

 
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Big Dave (IP Logged)
06 January, 2019 23:33
Headingly and Roundhay maybe.

 
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bristolnick (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 08:01
I wonder if the same concern would have been aired at such meetings if Bristol had yet again been a perennial premiership under dog and failure. Not to say that we are safe from relegation as yet, but Bristols competitiveness this season has without doubt caused mass panic, to the established ranks.

 
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John Denver (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 09:38
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bristolnick
I wonder if the same concern would have been aired at such meetings if Bristol had yet again been a perennial premiership under dog and failure. Not to say that we are safe from relegation as yet, but Bristols competitiveness this season has without doubt caused mass panic, to the established ranks.

I believe that the powers that be would be happy to see Bristol or Worcester face the drop (West Country well represented by Bath and Gloucester locally and also Exeter) but want to protect teams like Sale and Newcastle as they represent different geographical areas. But heaven forbid that a fashionable club should also be drawn into the mire. Still a lot to be played out.

 
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Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 10:00
I think it is a mistake to think of the West as being particularly well represented. The only clubs close to each other are actually Bristol and B**h. Otherwise, for us, it's about an hour ground to ground for Glos (45 miles) and an hour and a quarter (75 miles) to Sandy Park. In contrast the three midlands clubs of Wasps, Leicester and Northampton are all within an hours journey of each other and even Sixways is only 44 miles from the Ricoh (Welford Road is just 24 miles from the Ricoh, 35 miles to Franklin's Gardens. The real geographical concentration is the Midlands. And of course Saracens and 'Quins are only 15 miles apart (although it would take you nearly an hour to make the journey.

The idea that there are somehow 'powers' that particularly want to protect certain clubs is unlikely. I know that Melville said something about both Sale and Newcastle but he's just interim CE and let's not forget that Newcastle have been relegated a couple of times already.

 
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Field marshall (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 10:02
It'll be interesting if Newcastle do finish last as the RFU do not want them out of the prem at all. If it were bath or Leicester then we'd be seeing a lot of dummies being spat out. That doesn't seem likely now though.

 
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Earlsbris (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 10:13
Times article states that we are leading the charge to close up the shop but need a subscription to read the whole thing.

This season would actually be relatively dull without the threat of relegation as they could play the final tomorrow with how far ahead the top two are

 
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bris_rob (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 10:34
Article in full…

© The Times

RUGBY UNION
Clubs hurry to end Premiership relegation
Owen Slot, Chief Rugby Correspondent
January 7 2019, 12:01am, 
The Times

Bristol, who are third from bottom in the table, are leading the campaign

England’s Premiership clubs intend to push ahead with their desire to scrap relegation immediately so that no club goes down in May, even though the RFU has already stated publicly that it would not endorse such a significant change in the middle of a season.
A majority of clubs, led by Bristol and London Irish, are pushing to have the change rubber-stamped as soon as possible with the likelihood that the Gallagher Premiership would become a 13-team league next season.
London Irish are leading the Greene King Championship and would expect to be promoted at the end of this season. The 13 clubs would then hope to pull up the drawbridge for the next four or five years.
To introduce ring-fencing in such a way, the clubs need the approval of the RFU. However, when The Times revealed last month that the clubs were looking at an immediate end to relegation, the RFU was clear that it was unlikely to give its approval.
“That’s called wishful thinking, isn’t it?” Nigel Melville, the RFU interim chief executive, said then. “Nothing is going to change as regards this season.”

However, the clubs are now emboldened by their £200 million deal with CVC Capital Partners, the private equity firm, and are keen to push ahead.
They have no desire for conflict with the RFU even though, in a past meeting, they have discussed the possibility of breaking away from it if necessary. The Mail On Sunday yesterday disclosed minutes from a meeting of the club chairmen last April when the idea of an “unregulated league” was floated.
However, the clubs insisted yesterday that was not on the agenda. Ian Ritchie, the chairman of Premier Rugby Limited, said: “We work closely [with the RFU] and believe that’s what we’ll continue to do.”
An immediate breakaway is almost impossible to envisage. The clubs are locked into an agreement with the RFU until 2024 and, despite the CVC money, still rely on the £30 million a year they receive from it. The ultimate bargaining chip belongs to the RFU who could threaten not to select the clubs’ players for England if they join a breakaway.
The clubs are, therefore, likely to push for the RFU to change positions quickly. Ritchie’s previous job was chief executive of the RFU so he is perfectly placed to broker an agreement.
The club chairmen’s next board meeting is on February 5 when they are likely to settle on the way forward. The general view is that the financial damage of relegation is now too great. If, as seems likely, they agree to push to scrap relegation immediately, they need to have approval, first, from the Professional Game Board (PGcool smiley, the RFU board which has responsibility for overseeing the professional game, and then the RFU board itself.
The PGB is unlikely to be a walkover because although most Championship clubs would be happy to have a new competition insulated from the Premiership, a minority, led by Ealing Trailfinders, are ambitious to join the top flight and would find ring-fencing objectionable, maybe even legally so.

 
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Standardprocedure (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 10:42
If B**h or Leic were for the drop, I wonder what Quins' position would be? No-one made an exception for them many years ago, although I appreciate that there is a gulf in difference between the game now and the game then

 
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inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 12:13
I think they'd also be fairly keen to keep Bristol.

The regular circa 20k crowds aren't exactly widespread elsewhere in the Prem, and more supporters means more money spent at each match, home AND away so not only benefitting Bristol. Tickets, food/drink, merchandising.

Money talks, and there is clearly change in the air on several fronts (ringfencing, competition restructure, RFU contracts, player welfare)

 
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Field marshall (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 12:35
Pretty damning report and one I hope is not true.
The major attraction of any team is not just the attendance but what pull it adds to TV viewing figures. With the support base and the type of rugby played by bristol at present, I'd hope that we would be quite desirable.

 
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Channel2 (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 15:09
Perhaps the way forwards this season is no relegation but allow promotion, and then apply entry criteria very strictly for the following season, so that if for example London Irish come up in 2019, then whoever is next in line the following season must be a Premiership club in waiting. Frankly, despite the money being thrown at Ealing, they appear anything but with attendances around the 1,000 mark, and with Quins and Irish (shortly) just down the road I can't ever see it improving.Such a scenario would give Pirates absolutely everything to play for and im sure the RFU would like representation in the far south west if that were to happen.

 
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Singapore Sam (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 16:04
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Standardprocedure
'once great club'? Leeds? Oh come on!

Should have been more concise, referring more to its roots of Roundhay and Headingly.

 
Re: "Nothing is going to change as regards this season".
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
07 January, 2019 16:09
Wasn't it the Daily Fail that reported that RFU were initially willing to suspend relegation for four years until their independent audit came back and said the championship isn't financially sustainable, which then made them change their tune? Why they want to throw a yearly multi-million pound organisation into that despite jeopardizing the relegated club is pretty clear; it helps them foot the bill.

To be honest the problem is not with PRL and it's finances overall (although maybe Wasps are flying too close to the sun if rumours are to be believed) it's rather the RFUs abject failure to realise their aim of the Championship: a fully professional league of a decent standard. I've posted my solutions on this forum more than once so little need to reiterate them here. If the championship was functioning correctly P&R wouldn't be an issue like it is currently, that is what needs to be fixed first and foremost.

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