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Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
shhandy (IP Logged)
05 February, 2019 18:00
News of a meeting today and what looks to be a formal request to RFU.

The BBC Article.

Championship clubs threaten legal action. Its hotting up.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2019 18:02 by shhandy.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Platwell House (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 07:33
I think if the Premiership Clubs lose this they will change the rules on finance and stadia to make it impossible to get promoted.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
thorpebayexile (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 07:39
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Platwell House
I think if the Premiership Clubs lose this they will change the rules on finance and stadia to make it impossible to get promoted.

That wouldn't work as LW demonstrated when they went down the court route the challenge the criteria.They couldn't put in place anything that the current participants didn't meet without it being thrown out. Have you seen how utterly woeful a ground there is in the premiership? Have you been to the council patch that is B@@h on a rainy Friday night in the bleak mid winter?

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 08:22
To be accurate LW didn't actually go down the court route. It never got that far, the decision to let them into the Premiership was largely down to the fact there wasn't enough time to go to law before the season started. LW are not a good example because they should have been denied promotion on several grounds (my own particular favourite being the fact they didn't apply until after the deadline). For some odd reason PRL chose to go only with primacy of tenure which was the weakest area. So we have no idea if the minimum standards would hold up in court either as they are or revised to higher standards

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Standardprocedure (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 09:59
Something that may be more likely to stand up to any court scrutiny is the requirement for the promoted club's owners to put up a bond, so that if they decide to pull out or the club otherwise has a disastrous financial showing (e.g. London Welsh), the bond is there to ensure that the club doesn't go bust. PRL could argue that such a requirement is reasonable because of the way LW was managed a few years ago

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
borninthewood (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 10:41
Is there anything stopping the 13 resigning from the premiership and just starting their own ring fenced league?

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 10:47
As far as I can see, no However the Premiership would almost certainly cease to be affiliated with the RFU which would undoubtedly affect recruitment and other aspects of the business and game.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
inatthebreakdown (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 11:33
All the signs are that this is happening, like it or not.

Rather than fight what would most likely be a futile battle, surely the best thing the Championship clubs can do is secure additional funds as a result, and keep open a route to promotion under certain criteria (stadium, funds, infrastructure)

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Jimeno (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 12:01
This is not forever.

A route will be open anyway in three years time if Mr Lansdown's proposal is adopted.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Rich. (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 12:44
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inatthebreakdown
All the signs are that this is happening, like it or not.
Rather than fight what would most likely be a futile battle, surely the best thing the Championship clubs can do is secure additional funds as a result, and keep open a route to promotion under certain criteria (stadium, funds, infrastructure)

That might be the plan many if them have butbat thus stage they will be sure to suggest use of legal means to increase the money they get as compensation.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Peter D (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 13:11
It is certainly the case that most (if not all) of the Prem clubs want this to happen. It seems that there is more impetus behind this attempt than other previous efforts. The RFU will resist it - and rightly so. Their role is two-fold - 1) the England team and 2) the grass roots game, i.e. the game below Premiership level. This proposal will negatively impact on 2; depending on how it is put in place might negatively impact on 1.

The Championship clubs will certainly oppose it. They might be placated by increased funding, but there are clubs in the Championship (and perhaps below) who have medium to long term ambitions to get into the Premiership and may not be easily bought off.

If the Premiership is increased to 13 clubs (or more likely 14, I think - although who the fourteenth might be is difficult to predict with certainty) that will mean the end of promotion and relegation unless a Premiership club ceases to exist (goes bust). The talk of a three year moratorium on relegation is surely nonsense and a means to bring others to the table.

This will take a good while to sort out. I am sure that one of the current Premiership teams will be relegated, unless agreement can be reached quickly to increase the Premiership's size (and that might be possible). Relegation will remain in principle going into next season but negotiations will no doubt continue - possibly in the courts (moderately likely) or via the Court of Arbitration for Sport (very improbable).

This has a way to run, and it is far from obvious that this would be a good way forward for the sport. Which is not say that it would not be a good way forward for Steve Lansdown and his fellow owners. The sport is more important.

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
hooter (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 14:31
If the prem clubs did go there own way then the rfu funding could end up going to the championship

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Rich. (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 14:37
We need to bear in mind that the Premiership clubs always use the negotiation tactic of asking for much more than they expect to get (or perhaps all even want). So if they end up with a two year halt on relegation (with Irish coming up for next season) and that after that there is a play off between bottom Prem and top Champ, then they will be very happy.

They will certainly want there to be no relegation this season as so many of them are at risk of going down and I suspect their minimum outcome is for Irish to be promoted and no relegation for the season (and then one up one down after that) - and I can't see how any of the championship sides would have an issue with that.

The two big differences making them do this this time is, firstly so many of them are at risk of relegation but, secondly, this money from CVC which they can use in part to placate the championship clubs and secondly to compensate for having to spread money between 13 clubs instead of 12.



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Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
hooter (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 15:51
Does that mean that the parachute payment will be split between the championship clubs

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Standardprocedure (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 16:24
there may be a handful of clubs with prem aspirations, but there are more clubs that have little or no hope (or desire) to get promoted to the top level. It'll be those clubs who will happily take the money in return for an end to promotion/relegation. Just remember what happened at the introduction of promotion playoffs a few years ago - only us and Exe voted against them, but they were brought in anyway because the other clubs wanted the money and had little/no interest in promotion (and the playoffs gave them a better chance as well)

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Bris Bob (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 16:37
As already hinted at not sure the ground criteria would stand up, if an ambitious Championship could negotiate a ground share it would not stand up in argument if you take Sandy Park or The Wreck as standards. L Irish already paired with Brentford ,example only Trailfinders maybe Loftus Rd /they maybe one club who would be a protester at Ring Fencing amongst others?

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Peter_B (IP Logged)
06 February, 2019 17:11
198788 Courage League National Division One Table
Club Played Won Drawn Lost Points For Points Against Points Difference Points
1 Leicester Tigers 10 9 0 1 225 133 142 37
2 Wasps 11 8 1 2 218 136 82 36
3 Harlequins 11 6 1 4 261 128 133 30
4 Bath 11 6 1 4 197 156 41 30
5 Gloucester 10 6 1 3 206 121 85 29
6 Orrell 11 5 1 5 192 153 39 27
7 Moseley 11 5 0 6 167 170 3 26
8 Nottingham 11 4 1 6 146 170 24 24
9 Bristol 10 4 1 5 171 145 26 23
10 Waterloo 10 4 0 6 123 208 85 22
11 Coventry 11 3 1 7 139 246 107 21
12 Sale 11 0 0 11 95 374 279 11

Interesting to compare now with the first season of Leagues proper. Coventry and Sale relegated.

Grounds at that time.

Team Stadium Capacity City/Area
Bath Bath 8,200 Bath, Somerset
Bristol Memorial Stadium 12,100 Bristol, Avon
Coventry Coundon Road 9,000+ Coventry, West Midlands
Gloucester Kingsholm 11,000 Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Harlequins The Stoop 8,500 Twickenham, London
Leicester Tigers Welford Road 16,000 Leicester, Leicestershire
Moseley The Reddings 10,000 (est) Birmingham, West Midlands
Nottingham Ireland Avenue 4,950 Beeston, Nottinghamshire
Orrell Edge Hall Road 3,000 Orrell, Greater Manchester
Sale Heywood Road 5,400 Sale, Greater Manchester
Wasps Repton Avenue Sudbury, London
Waterloo St Anthony's Road 9,000 Blundellsands, Merseyside

Im not brilliant at this Im afraid but only one match per tie, no return legs and not all matches fulfilled by the looks of it. The intervening thirty years have not improved the spread of clubs. I am not in favour of ring fencing but a more planned economy would help both Premiership and Championship clubs in my opinion.



Peter

C'mon you Bristol Boys!



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Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Standardprocedure (IP Logged)
08 February, 2019 17:21
A propos of nothing, Oirish have signed current Ireland international Sean O'Brien (for after RWC). No mention in the article of a get-out clause, but it would signal to me that LI are either confident or know for sure that they will be at the top table next season

 
Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Rich. (IP Logged)
08 February, 2019 17:30
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Standardprocedure
A propos of nothing, Oirish have signed current Ireland international Sean O'Brien (for after RWC). No mention in the article of a get-out clause, but it would signal to me that LI are either confident or know for sure that they will be at the top table next season

Well they are 9 points clear and if they end top would be promoted under current or proposed rules so not surprised they are confident. What a signing though signs he may be out injured a lot.



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Re: Premiership Clubs jointly ask RFU to scrap relegarion
Jim H (IP Logged)
08 February, 2019 18:16
SOB has managed 30 games in 6 seasons for Leinster. Hope he plays a bit more often for LI!!

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