Schofield has been a loyal servant over the years but he must no longer be captain. I watched him today and not once did I see him doing what a captain should do. In fact with Cox now fit maybe we should thank Dean for his efforts over the years and move on now.

So thanks Dean enjoy yourself in France

Agreed. Head not there, not in it. Time for someone else's chance.

lets face it, in every respect apart fromthe coin toss, charle is leading this side. Time to formalise thaT.

after the second try it was CH behind the posts doing the talking while DS was having a drink. Thanks but no thanks Deano, don't blame him at all for going to france for a fatter pay cheque in the autumn of his career but expected better from him.

Has to go, only to be used in an emergency! which hopefully isn't just yet!

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you dont think being bottom with 1/4 of the season to go is an emergency?

The passion that Kingsley wants from the fans, has to be displayed by the captain on the pitch. Lobbe was inspirational, Robinson's style of play did the talking, Mallinder was a born leader but Schofield just doesn't drive the team. If the club (who has placed so much emphasis on working with the youth coming through and not on the loss of major names) believes Schofield is the man for the job, how can this support their position on developing youngsters? If I was playing under Schofield I certainly would be looking at Charlie as my inspiration and as a player who displays true passion for the club.

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you dont think being bottom with 1/4 of the season to go is an emergency?

No not quite, not until we have lost to Pests and Wus, then it will be an emergency, but that isn't going to happen is it. Until then then its just routine surgery

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you dont think being bottom with 1/4 of the season to go is an emergency?

No not quite, not until we have lost to Pests and Wus, then it will be an emergency, but that isn't going to happen is it. Until then then its just routine surgery

If we lose to Wasps and Wuss it'll be an autopsy!!

I have to agree, make Charlie Captain for the remaining games, and get Coxy into the team from the start. We've got to look ahead to the future now even if its Division 1 next season.

even after Lobbe announced his departure, no-one for a moment could doubt his ongoing passion and commitment, because his plYING STABDARDS NEVER SLIPPED AND he never stopped doing any of the good things he did.

Deano just isnt in the same league as captain or player. He needs to do more to show he means business for the remainder of the season, otherwise he's just a passenger. Whether that isnt natural for him as a personality doesnt matter, he needs to do it for himself and his team.

Hodgson for captin for rest of season he's the best man for the job and the most loyal player

Cockbain will hopefully be fit for next week!

Brent was removed from bench with a bad back and then carries water all afternoon. I would have thought lying down at home watching on TV would have been a good move but what do I know?

Deano played well yesterday - lineout, scrum etc but someone needed to be in the ref's ear and the only man i could see close enough and trying to do that was Peel. It needs someone who can see what's going on and Deano was buried most of the time. I'm not sure he should be captain but then i'm not privey to thedynamic of the team off the pitch.

"....the dynamic of the team on the pitch." Dynamic?

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would have thought lying down at home watching on TV would have been a good move but what do I know?

I'm not sure I agree there, although I don't know about the ater carrying bit.

Her Ladyship suffered with a major back injury for over 20 years and a lot of the ongoing trouble was attributed, by her first class pain management consultant, to being made to stay lying down for nigh on three months following after the incident which caused the problem. The perceived wisdom today (as long as there are no other factors or contraindications) is that back injuries are better treated by trying to live "normally".

E&OE, Cavet Emptor,

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iBozz, all injuries are, I believe, pretty much the same. There has become a propensity to 'glamourise' an injury, which is unnatural. No one has a sprained ankle these days: it is always ligament damage. The former was something to 'get on with', the latter means immobilisation and crutches for several weeks.

Well I have no knowledge of orthopaedics, but it seemed a bit odd to me. Orthopaedic surgeons are just well paid carpenters/ joiners. Perhaps he has Lumbago; a condition many people claim to have but does not seem to exist in medical circles?

We need an expert to ascertain the extent of this injury. I hear there is a decent Orthopaedic surgeon in Vale of Glamorgan. Somneone will have to go and pick him up mind.

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We are the angry mob. We read the papers every day. We like who we like, we hate who we hate, but we're also easily swayed.

Wrt Schofield: no longer looks like a captain on the pitch but seemed to be there as a player this week.

Wrt back pain, it depends on the injury. In the vast majority on cases, no more than 24 to 48 hrs in bed. Then continue normal activities (with appropriate pain killers). Forget going to the Vale of Glamorgan - there were 2 neurosurgeons in the crowd on Sunday.

I am not sure who you, Poynton, have in mind as being the decent orthopaedic surgeon in the Vale of Glamorgan. I know one of the chief physiotherapists down there who would disagree strongly with the 'popular choice' for that title.

Orthopaedic surgeon, spelt JPR ??

BIG deano fan been a great servant. what about peel as a captain.

We got enough Welsh management

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btw my sources in The Valleys have it that Brent will be retiring this season to take up a forwards coach appointment (Pontypridd was mentioned).
Interestingly, Brent's kids both (?) have UK passports, he didn't whisk them back to Oz.

If he goes as well as Schofield, the club will no doubt look to bring in another grizzly experienced donkey row enforcer.

How about louis deacon?

àt least we'd be doing england a favour by letting him play hiself out of the reckoning.

Louis is a top quality luxury item: he would be too expensive Martwhit ; we will no doubt go for a player from the "outstanding value" range! BOGOF!

BOGOF? Is that Buy Only Geriatric Old Forwards?

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<supporters hat on>

How the hell do you expect players to have a positive attitude when all you can do is slag them off? Deano is getting a hammering on this board - yeah, yeah, I can hear you all now, "You're his greatest fan and you would say that", whatever - but Swanny is trying to get some positive vibes to the lads, Deano, Brent, KJ and the rest of them. Perhaps we should arrange it so you can all come and say what you've written on here to their faces.

Let's see what the jury said initially on Deano's appointment?

BurnleySharks
hard act to follow juan, but he's had a great season.

Basque-ing Shark
I like the choice... The kind of guy who will rise to the chalange!

Yonah
Congratulations to Deano and also to Mark and Charlie. Should be a formidable tirumvirate if they are all on the pitch.

Ex-RAFshark
I hope he does well. Definitely a hard act to follow, but if he does inspire & motivate the lads as Corcho did, we'll be ok. No doubting his passion for our club, just hope he can transfer some of that to the others. Good luck Deano.

MartWhit
do you think he will RAF? He's done the job before and wasnt in Corchos class. Is he more ready this time? Lets hope so, and good luck to him. I tihnk his playing sytle is very suited with a very visible presence on the carry. Not sure about him tactically though.

maddog080485
He is a hero for Sale and loved by the supporters for his full comittment. He is available all year round and will be tactically backed up by Charlie. Good decisions all round. All 3 are Sale thru and thru.

snaderson
Congratulations, Deano! An excellent choice, I think. He seems to have calmed down a lot in the last couple of seasons and isn't the yellow-card magnet he used to be (he's still got plenty of aggression though). When you hear him talk he says all the right things too - with positivity and maturity. And he never forgets to mention the fans!

Bradwall Boy
This triumvirate are all home grown lads. Maybe a sign of a change in approach?

Tigger
Congratulations and good luck!

LOUD Shark
Well done Deano, what a legend in the making, if he was a stick of rock, there would be sale sharks written all the way through him!

Sale_fan
Correct choice, but would have been nice to see Cox in a vice role.

MikeGC
Cox and Cockbain would have been my starting second rows, until this announcement. Good Luck Deano

P A B
Good choice, lets hope they all realise the tactics employed in the last few games brought results & got the fans going. eg Kicking 'tricky' pens to corner flag & piling presure on opponents. Instead of just a possible 3 pts & letting them off the hook...

iBozz
An admirable promotion, I wish him well in the new role.

Auntie Angel Shark
He was made up the other night. A great choice.

<supporters hat off>

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Perhaps he has Lumbago; a condition many people claim to have but does not seem to exist in medical circles?

Davenport: The most excellent The Prof (I mentioned him by name in my recent PM), who looked after Her Ladyship's back for many years, told me that lumbago was "Latin" for backache and was a term used by Consultants when a patient wanted to think that they had something wrong with them other than just backache.

It's an aural placebo for hypochondriacs!

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Orthopaedic surgeon, spelt JPR ??

He'd be cheap, around 3p perhaps?

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btw my sources in The Valleys have it that Brent will be retiring this season

I heard that a while ago from a reasonably reliable source outside the Club, although what he plans to do with his time differed to a small extent.

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Lumbago always seems to occur as "A Touch of..." !!!!

I always thought "Lumbago" or "Flu" was medically accurate in about 1% of cases but a 100% success in throwing a sickie. Of course, if you're self-employed you either don't suffer from it or put up and shut up with it. A lesson there for Mr. Brown & Mr. Kennedy.

<Supporter/season ticket holder hat on>

AAS. I fail to follow the logic of what your post means. Are we meant to be posting on this board 'well done. lads, we know you're doing really well, and there's nothing to worry about'??!!
It's a supporters' board. and hopefully CONSTRUCTIVE criticism can be offered and discussed. This is my first post about the current playing crisis and, for what it's worth, I do think that Deano's performances are not up to his usual at the moment. If that's because he has Toulon on his mind, just a dip in form or whatever I don't know, but I feel it is perfectly acceptable to state it.

As for 'saying it to their faces'...perlease!!

It reminds me of the guy who said that 'pro wrestling' in the 70's was fixed. They sorted him out with a bout vs 'Big Daddy'. Guess what...he lost. Did that make what he said any less true??



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It was just to show how people's opinions have changed in such a short time.

As one of the few who travelled to Gloucester I should be moaning like a good 'un and/or hanging off the nearest tree, but I'm trying to stay positive. Sorry about that, I'll get back in my happy box now and continue to support my team, whatever happens.

And I only put <supporter hat> on to try and help people differentiate between the many 'hats' I wear. I wasn't trying to compete.

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I didn't travel to Gloucs this year. I have in the past. If the performance was as woeful as I have read about, then surely the players would accept constructive criticism.

If that is as hurtful as saying 'so and so isn't up to Premier League rugby because....', then I'm sorry, but we have a right to state it. There are several in our squad that applies to, and our DoR has to think WHY he brought them to the club. I don't include Schofield in that list.

I have no idea at all what your 'many hats' are. We all post on here as fans who like to make our points, don't we?

I have met Deano at a 'Sale Supporters' end of season dinner a couple of years ago, and found him a pleasant, down to earth young man. I'm fairly sure he would be holding his hand up at the moment and accepting that5 he could be performing a little better.

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I hope he does well. Definitely a hard act to follow, but if he does inspire & motivate the lads as Corcho did, we'll be ok. No doubting his passion for our club, just hope he can transfer some of that to the others. Good luck Deano.

I believe I offered my best wishes but did doubt that he'd be as good a captain as he undoubtedly is a club servant. I mentioned back in September, in public, after the Wuss match that he didn't appear to be leading the team on the pitch. Now, he most definitely had a near impossible task to lead as vocally and visibly as Corcho did, not many could either, but he doesn't appear to lift the spirits of the players as I'd expect a skipper to, and he hasn't been able to transfer his passion to some playing members at times. Is that his fault? I don't know but I'm not saying he's not a great servant of the club, nor am I saying he's not a good player...but I would say to him that he hasn't appeared (to me) to be an effective leader on the pitch. you know me well enough to know that I say what I feel, but try at all times to be polite,civil, courteous and respectful of others feelings. I am also more than ready and capable of putting my hands up and admitting I was wrong, as I have done when doubting various aspects over the last few years. If Deano disagrees with me, as you do, that is fair enough but that is my opinion, and an honest one.

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I have no idea at all what your 'many hats' are.

Angel works at EP so sometimes speaks with an official SS hat and she's also involved with the SSSC so speaks with that hat on.

Multi-talented!

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which one do you wear for weddings and royal Ascot Mrs T?

too many choices.

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<supporters hat on>
How the hell do you expect players to have a positive attitude when all you can do is slag them off? Deano is getting a hammering on this board - yeah, yeah, I can hear you all now, "You're his greatest fan and you would say that", whatever - but Swanny is trying to get some positive vibes to the lads, Deano, Brent, KJ and the rest of them. Perhaps we should arrange it so you can all come and say what you've written on here to their faces.

Let's see what the jury said initially on Deano's appointment?

BurnleySharks
hard act to follow juan, but he's had a great season.

Basque-ing Shark
I like the choice... The kind of guy who will rise to the chalange!

Yonah
Congratulations to Deano and also to Mark and Charlie. Should be a formidable tirumvirate if they are all on the pitch.

Ex-RAFshark
I hope he does well. Definitely a hard act to follow, but if he does inspire & motivate the lads as Corcho did, we'll be ok. No doubting his passion for our club, just hope he can transfer some of that to the others. Good luck Deano.

MartWhit
do you think he will RAF? He's done the job before and wasnt in Corchos class. Is he more ready this time? Lets hope so, and good luck to him. I tihnk his playing sytle is very suited with a very visible presence on the carry. Not sure about him tactically though.

maddog080485
He is a hero for Sale and loved by the supporters for his full comittment. He is available all year round and will be tactically backed up by Charlie. Good decisions all round. All 3 are Sale thru and thru.

snaderson
Congratulations, Deano! An excellent choice, I think. He seems to have calmed down a lot in the last couple of seasons and isn't the yellow-card magnet he used to be (he's still got plenty of aggression though). When you hear him talk he says all the right things too - with positivity and maturity. And he never forgets to mention the fans!

Bradwall Boy
This triumvirate are all home grown lads. Maybe a sign of a change in approach?

Tigger
Congratulations and good luck!

LOUD Shark
Well done Deano, what a legend in the making, if he was a stick of rock, there would be sale sharks written all the way through him!

Sale_fan
Correct choice, but would have been nice to see Cox in a vice role.

MikeGC
Cox and Cockbain would have been my starting second rows, until this announcement. Good Luck Deano

P A B
Good choice, lets hope they all realise the tactics employed in the last few games brought results & got the fans going. eg Kicking 'tricky' pens to corner flag & piling presure on opponents. Instead of just a possible 3 pts & letting them off the hook...

iBozz
An admirable promotion, I wish him well in the new role.

Auntie Angel Shark
He was made up the other night. A great choice.

<supporters hat off>

Maybe people were hoping the almighty dollar wouldn't affect Deano in the way it did Lobbe & Tam. another point they were wrong on.

This is a public, unofficial board and just because you don't agree with people's opinions, does not mean they are any less valid thatn yours, Swanny's or anyone that has to be positive because they work for the club! As paying customers we have a right to complain. If this season was a meal in a restaurant, it would be late, cold and raw in the middle.Rant over

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Angel works at EP {Ticket Office and Shop} so sometimes speaks with an official SS hat and she's also involved with the SSSC so speaks with that hat on.

She is also a season ticket holder, writes for the programme, and follows the team all over the show.

I used the <hat> to try and ensure that people could see I was posting as my supporter self. People have a tendency and insufferable frequency to read the wrong thing into some of the comments I make and turn the words around, that's why I don't bother posting so much anymore.

I wasn't saying you can't say what you want, knock yourself out by all means, but I sometimes feel that people on here forget that the players are real people with real feelings and some of the sarcastic or insensitive comments made are not called for or are ill-considered. It can start people looking into things that aren't there and perhaps that's where self-doubt can creep in.

I'll stick to the positive side of the street and save my comments for the players when I see them in a face to face situation.

Over and out.

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If a club is having a bad season, it should be no surprise that comments on a supporters' forum have a frequently negative tone. On this forum, my impression is that a lot of the negativity is framed in a 'positive' way, if you see what I mean: that is, that the writers do try to advance arguments to support their case. I can't see anything wrong in that.

Some criticism does get personal. I've said elsewhere that I don't like players being singled out for attack, but in a season like this, it would be very naive to expect that the coaching staff, the management, and the captain, as part of the unsuccessful leadership of the club, would not come in for some stick. It goes with the territory, as the cliche says.

Most of us are appreciative of Deano's qualities as a player, but several have expressed doubts about his suitability as captain, a situation not helped by his decision to play in France. That's the reality, and although I've never met the man, I would expect he's quite aware of it.

If he wants to put all this to bed, then the place to do it is on the pitch. And I'd guess he's quite aware of that, too.

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I wasn't saying you can't say what you want, knock yourself out by all means, but I sometimes feel that people on here forget that the players are real people with real feelings and some of the sarcastic or insensitive comments made are not called for or are ill-considered...

IMHO never has truer word been said on this board.
Albeit that it also applies to the people who post on here as well.
We all need to think before we post disparaging remarks about others. Frustration affects us all.

Keep posting Angie, everyone needs reminding of such things, I know I do.

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which one do you wear for weddings and royal Ascot Mrs T?

A fascinator, of course, from Bury market.

AAS
I don't think anyone was 'turning your words around'. You posted earlier along the lines of 'if you want to criticise, we'll arrange for you to do it face to face with the players'.
Pardon me if i took that as 'you wouldn't dare say to their faces what you're posting on here, because they're bigger than you'. It was, and is, a ridiculous argument.
If for no other reason than we CAN'T say it to their faces, as we don't see them day to day as you seem to. Good luck with that.
I neither know nor care about your 'many hats' and the smugness of certain 'in' posters on this board. It seems that as soon as one of you are in any way criticised you leap to each others' defence with alarming alacrity.
I haven't missed a Sale home game in 6 years, and have seen many away games. No one has ever asked me to contribute to a programme, but I'd be happy to do so.
However, I WILL continue, when I have time, to contribute, I hope constructively, to this board and if that involves criticism of styles of play and the deficiency of certain
players, so be it.

Was smugness etc referring to me Nick?
I hope not because if you re-read my words carefully i was not leaping to AAS's defence, but upholding the principle. indicating it applied to all of us as well!
Personal references like "smugness" and "in" posters, there's no need for it.
I was actually reminding AAS that she can be pretty cutting about others too,just as you and I certainly can be.
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All probably true, H'sD

However, the 'in crowd' manage to refer to AAS as 'Angie'. I wouldn't have a clue what her first name is.

It just adds to an aura of 'us' and 'them'. If I feel that as a pretty normal guy/poster, then it exists, whether you like it or not.

It is certainly sometimes the perception, and I've occasionally been 'hauled over coals' for pointing that out. But as was pointed out then all those close to the club go out of their way to help all supporters of Sale Sharks and do a hell of a lot that you and I aren't even aware of....they really are an open group who welcome anybody...If you wish I'll introduce you to a few next match.

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However, the 'in crowd' manage to refer to AAS as 'Angie'. I wouldn't have a clue what her first name is.

If you looked on the Names and DG handles thread, you'd know so don't read too much into people calling her Angie, Ange or anything else for that matter.

Being able to read that thread, and having sufficient interest in your fellow supporters to want so to do, isn't an indication of any "in-crowd".

I think that you are being a tad sensitive here.

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Nick is perfectly correct - as long as criticism is couched in polite language - that is what this board is for. If performers do not want criticism from the paying public then they should consider another job. Now it's perfectly true that Sale Sharks would not exist as a viable business without BK, equally it would not exist without the paying public who fund it both directly and via the RFU.

As for the "say it to his face" that's as daft as allowing us paying public to decide what the players' remuneration should be, game by game, Wait a minute - there's an idea to get the club financially solvent........

Angie (sorry, Angel for nick's benefit!), it is very common in some professions for those who have tendered their notice to leave on full pay with immediate effect.

This is almost the norm for management consultancy, IT security work, etc.etc.

Now I'm not for a moment suggesting that being a silicon snake oil salesman, mountebank and charlatan for a living, as was I, is anything like being captain of a premiership rugby club, but I do feel that the captaincy should rest with someone committed to the longer term. And I would think that even if we were top of the league, it has nothing to do with our current difficulties.

I am such Deano is doing his best, but it remains a fact that he will not be with us come autumn and his thoughts may well thus be, even ever so slightly, elsewhere.

Appointing a new captain now would also ensure continuity of tenure and make for an easier start to the new term.

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Not so easy if you don't know who'll be playing next season.

True, but one or two have committed, notwithstanding any relegation get out clauses, and at least we could play the odds.

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IBoz...I have no intention whatsoever of trawling thro' that rather lengthy thread to find the real name of someone who chooses to use a 'nickname' on this site, and then refer to them by their real name. I have better things to do. I do not think that 'H'sD' did that to find that AAS's name is Angie, but I may be wrong.
H's D. The core of supporters that you refer to may well be the salt of the earth doing much good to Sale Sharks and mankind in general. I have another friend who is a VERY loyal fan of Sale and has followed them everywhere and words like cliquey (to use one of the more printable) is what they would use.
As I said before, there is an element of that on this board. If I perceive that, I do not see how you can argue against it

So to know someone personally now is cliquey?

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Nick, there probably is a perception of "clique-yness" amongst some supporters who post on here.
It isn't the result of some conspiracy though, it's because they/we actually know each other.
How do we/they know each other ?
1. I travelled on the fun bus quite a bit, a few years ago and would again if I were to start doing more away games. Naturally, you fall into conversation with folk on the bus and you learn that they post on here and their nick name.
2. It seems to me that, even in the opposition's stadium, amongst 150 or so travellers you're also more likely to strike up a conversation.
3. And of course on European away games we tend to gather together (though the auspices of Basque-ing shark) and newbies are welcomed into the group.
4. Of course Angel used to run a smashing boozer (The Urmston) where we would occasionally assemble for away games, when shown by SKY.
...and probably many more

Even though we all "virtually" know each other, there is a slight difference when you actually do know each other.

On a brief read through that looks like drivel, but I hope you get the drift....

IBoz. Didn't say that. I replied to your point by saying that I doubted 'H'sD' found 'AAS's real name from the lengthy thread that you quoted. Your reply would seem to indicate that I was correct.
MikeGC. There is no problem with 'knowing' each other. I was referring to situations where one criticises any of the 'in crowd' and others leap to their defence. I have been posting on here for at least 3 years, but I still perceive that as the case.
As for 'clique-iness'. Re read what I said.I was referring to a 3rd party, who ticks most of your boxes, and feels that there is a cliqueness amongst 'hard core' supporters. Their words, not mine

Nick, isn't that description as valid as say, you going out with a group of mates, regularly to the same place..but occassionally inviting another person along. That person isn't going to know everyone and may feel slightly on the outside of the group. It doesn't imply cliqueyness, just a group of mates. (To me)

I don't know everyone on this board, but over the years I've got to know quite a few, through going to the games and striking up conversations in various pubs etc. We don't always agree, but that's how mates are.
Back on topic.
As for Deano's mind being elsewhere, I fully understand that. Every time I found out I was getting posted, I'd start to arrange things, get in touch with the new base etc. I'm sure that even though I was still doing my job perfectly adequately, I could have done it a lot better. It's just natural to look forward with eagerness to a new challenge and let your current job tail off.

My views still stand on his captaincy though.

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Funny thing is I don't think for a moment AAS considers me one of her mates. Probably more of a pain in the arras!

We all feel a little like outsiders Nick when on the fringe of things. It's up to us to do something about that. Just knowing what posters looks like and to have been introduced helps a little I think.
Come for that pre-match pint!

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He was made up the other night. A great choice.

so made up in fact that within 7(?) months he had decided to move to another club, and country.

not sure what you are trying to say AAS, other than that the majority of fans wanted him to do well when he was appointed. He is a popular player with many fans and all of us want the club to do well so I am not too surprised by this. are you?

I remember the threads you are quoting from and I also remember a number of posters stating that he would not have been their 1st choice. I was one of them. However I am not so -ve as to not be pleased for him when he was appointed, and want him to be successful.

the recent comments are just in recognition that not everything has gone as well as we hoped back in the distant summer - our beloved skipper has decided he doesn't want to play for us anymore and announced he will be leaving, his form has dropped somewhat, the team are playing rubbish, we are bottom of the league, we clearly lack leadership, both on and off the pitch, and not surprisingly, some of the fans are not happy (you excepted maybe?).

personally I believe it is a valid topic of discussion to look at what can be done proactively to try to stop our slide towards relegation before it becomes a reality. changing captains has to be one of those options, given the circumstances. and it is one I believe we should take immediately. but that is just my opinion and I don't know how to run a professional rugby club. but I am really sure I should be able to discuss it on here.

I honestly don't believe that Dean will be too upset about reading that being discussed. do you, really? If he is then I would suggest a different career, and one less in the public eye.

A good balanced view that post shaftsbury.
Perhaps knowing that schoey is, i think, AAS' favourite player helps understanding.
She has a valid principle though which is indeed a board guideline...One shouldn't post anything that one would not be prepared to say to someone's face.

I'm going to try and tempt Mrs T to have a drink with some County supporters based on that principle! A couple have offered to buy her a pint: they admire her spirit!

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I'm going to try and tempt Mrs T to have a drink with some County supporters based on that principle!

If that's the infamous proposed gargle with scb, count me in. He's gone a bit quiet since we told him he'd be paying, though!

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You are the most intelligent and erudite man in the world, H's D, a paragon of virtue and an example to us all.

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My penny worth.

First of all I'm not sure Schofield is playing that badly. Should he still be captain, no in my opinion? Should he have been captain at the start, who knows? You need to know the player and his role within the club. For me, the captain has to be inspirational on the pitch, or have the rugby brain. Most great skippers have both. Schofield isn't our best player, nor does he come across as the most best of rugby brains. This combination suggests that he shouldn't have been made captain. Then again, who else was there, apart from Charlie, and there was a pretty strong argument that that would put too much weight on his shoulders.

I don't have a problem with the occasional incestuous nature of this board. Everyone welcomes other posters opinions, and have never experienced much in the way of posters defending their friends. However, the many hatted posters on this board are too involved within the club, to give an honest opinion, and maybe they don't have the rugby knowledge to boot (no evidence for that, and not referring to anyone specifically). Maybe stick to one hat per nametag!! I have 3 different nametags, this being 'miserable and negative hat' poster!!

As for the don't say anything on this board that you wouldn't say to there faces comment. I take quite serious offence to that statement on two counts.

1. I am quite a shy person, and am in ore of many Sale players. The idea of approaching them in the first place would be difficult.

2. It is far more rude to tell them anything to their faces, then type on a message board. Yes the anonymity means this is a chicken way of getting your opinion across. There are several players who I don't particularly rate. I am happy to voice that opinion politely and with good evidence on this board. The idea of going up to some poor sod in the street and venting that opinion, whether positive or negative, is an invasion of this person’s privacy and I would never do that.

If I only said stuff on the message board that I would say to players faces, then you'll be getting a series of blank messages, and one word messages such as Hi, and well played yesterday.

Well after eating my lunch and wading through that lot I am looking for a word to describe it.

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How about honest Dave??? or confused but honest - like some of the rest of us some of the time when typing away on the message board!!

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Thanks for that but its the wrong answer.

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Mental perhaps?

Slightly tongue in cheek.

Are you saying the opinions expressed above are dishonest Swanny?


Angel - I too am struggling to understand what the point of your post was. Everybody wanted Deano to do well. He hasn't particularly, so people are mentioning the fact.

Deano's not daft - he knows the score. If a professional sportsman can't take criticism from fans (constructive or not) then he's in the wrong job.

My job involves constant abuse from customers and others - if I didn't have rhino hide as skin, I'd have to quit! It goes with the territory.

nah not even close

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Are you saying the opinions expressed above are dishonest Swanny?

Err sorry have I missed something somewhere, or maybe fallen asleep during the reading process.

That one hell of an assumption PAW

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It would seem to be a reasonable thread to me.

Some posters have questioned Deanno's current form/suitability as captain, especially in view of him leaving at the end of the season.

Others (AAS) have defended him. We've gone a bit 'off thread' now and then, but I've seen a lot 'worse' threads, and it would seem to be quite well argued by all parties.

Don't think it warrants your 'goggle eyed smiley', Swanny. As Capt Major said...'If you don't like the thread, don't read it!!'

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How about honest Dave?

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wrong answer

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dishonest Swanny?

Seems a fair question to me

Blimey I am being criticised for using a smiley? Hey I'm out of this thread...........bye (sorry if the waving smiley offends)

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I'm confused now.

I assumed Swanny was bemused by my 'say only what you would say to the players'comments. Not sure his comments were anything to do with Schofield?

If it is to do with Scofield, then fair enough. Thought my point was quite balanced and thought out for me!!!

Guess we'll never know.

Think he's taken his ball home.

I think he was looking for another word for sh!te ... (cough)... manure.

It isn't - it's just "honest" opinions on the captain's performances.

No need for a hissy fit at all - smileys or no.

Bye Dave

3 identities Clutch? Fair play who are the other two? Is it a game? Can we all play? Now have to work out which other two posters talk@#$%&too. Blimey that could take a while to draw up a short list.

Just think when we have been reading threads that involve Clutch he/she may have been debating issues with him/herself.

Do you have different heads that you put on like Worzel Gummidge?

"Cup of tea and a slice of cake Clutch?"

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Bluddy hell Angel - you've let yourself go.

Not took my ball home, just decided that this thread was not for me. When I left the smiley man was waving and smiling.

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Next!

I asked for that one

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That's understandable, Swanny, given the general theme of the thread which, let's be honest, is overall critical of our club captain.
There WERE some very odd answers to questions put to you earlier, tho'

I know, its been a long week and we are awaiting a call from the Football League about SCFC when hopefully they will be out of admin thats in addition to the other work I have on the go at the moment.

Schoey is a top bloke and always given is all to the cause at Sale Sharks. He will never give less than full commitment, its not in his DNA.

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Just trawled through this diatribe, is it me or is Mr Swanton becoming but just a little aggresive in his retorts. The board is there for all, the good, the bad and the indifferent, therfore every possible view will be expressed. If you can't accept that sorry but your in the wrong job! If you want criticism join me working in the Ministry of Justice, criticsim will be the least of your worries!!! (They are looking for a Judge Dredd!)

Sorry you feel that way, tell me, when I type in Dave Swanton into search it throws out all my posts, when I tap in SandDancerShark it doesn't show any posts. How do you do that? its like a Klingon Cloak of invisibility

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Try Borg, we are out there!

Oh not them they are like cybermen

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On serious note, I am 100% behind the team, we must win, we must stay up, I'm sure will will but if not I'll still be a ST holder and saying my weekend only starts when I come away from EP after a match!

Thanks for that appreciate it

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If you want criticism join me working in the Ministry of Justice ...

If that's anything to do with the guys and gals dealing with Probate ...

... no, don't get me started!

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