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Gloucester threaten legal action
rightlock (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 16:27
Just came across this on the bbc

[www.bbc.co.uk]

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
galliano2001 (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 16:42
Another way to look at it is that a 23 year old who is well out of his depth has mouthed off on Twitter. His actual message was 'no holes barred', maybe he has some specialist form of punishment in mind?

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
18 April, 2012 16:45
Think it's missing capitals on the if. If SD was being cheeky then he could reply

IF we find evidence to increase our suspicions that Gloucester manufactured this mud slinging for their own benefit we'll fight back with a no holds barred attack

Maybe too many characters for Twitter though I believe!

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Thinking Donkey (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 19:46
Other threads have commented that "sporting contracts are different " - not so.

The contract is between Gloucs and Repath so much as Gloucs would like to sue the @rse off Sale, Sale are not party to that contract so there is no basis for a legal case. What Sale may have infringed are premiership rules about speaking to other managers under contract, in which case Gloucs will need to take action through the Premiership.

Redpath's contract with Gloucs is likely to be for a specific period and may or may not have termination clauses allowing one or other to terminate before the end on giving the notice required in the contract. If Redpath has done that there is nothing Gloucs can do other than decide if they want him to see out his resignation period (actually working or taking gardening leave) or whether they just pay him off and get shut.

There may also be clauses about how long he must wait if he resigns before he can take up another post and lots of other stuff besides.

If there are no termination clauses, and Redpath has just walked out then he is in breach of contract and Gloucs could try to insist through the courts that he either serves out his contract or that a compensation payment is made by him for the remaining period.

All potentially very messy - I just hope Sale haven't behaved like complete pillocks

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
emerging shark (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 20:48
If Quinton is still on board then we have covered ourselves....

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
derbyshire fan (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 21:21
actually there is plenty of precedent outside sport that inciting an individual to breach their contract of employment or otherwise can result in a successful claim for damages. So I suspect Glos might well succeed - but of course only if Sale management have been mis-behaved.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Timpers (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 21:49
"If", seems to be the pertinent word here. It's been used before, some years ago when Philip of Macedon wrote to Spartan magistrates: "If I enter Laconia, I will level Lacedaemon to the ground ". The Spartans' reply was " If ".

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
H's D (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 22:29
It's all hot air and posturing and not worth tuppence, IMHO.(Sm85)

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Gordon1974 (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 22:35
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H's D
It's all hot air and posturing and not worth tuppence, IMHO.(Sm85)


totally agree

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
rightlock (IP Logged)
18 April, 2012 23:05
I'd have to say agree with that having looked at his twitter comment it's all been so professional and dignified

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 07:43
Anyway, it matters not what is accepted in business nor even in other sports. Each sport has its own code of ethics and if that code is broken the wronged party has a right to redress. If normal law of the land were applied no rugby game would ever take place. Derbyshire's point probably applies across the board - it's just the proof that would be difficult even if something underhand had taken place.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Grumpy Old Shark (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 08:27
SD's comments:

Sky Sports

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
H's D (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 08:43
That reads as though Basil wasn't one of the 12 applicants, nor was he one of the three shortlisted (but may be added once Dimes has spoken to him)
So perhaps it is all a storm in speculation tea-cup!

Dimes comments in the press of about a week ago must refer to someone else: My money is still on the coach referred to being Toby Booth.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Gandalfzz (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 09:55
H's D

In some/most? organisations there is a closing date for applications and late applications would not be entertained at all. If a short list had been made then that cannot usually be altered.

Strikes could result over such actions in unionised organisations.



I am anyones equal, but no ones superior

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
H's D (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 11:12
I don't think either organization or unionized are applicable in this case Gandalfzz. SS is a pretty small company.
Besides isn't Dimes making it clear in the interview that for a candidate of Basil's quality that suddenly became available he would be invited to apply, no matter if a short list had already been made.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
ballsout (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 14:15
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H's D
My money is still on the coach referred to being Toby Booth.

You're welcome

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Yareet (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 16:48
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Gandalfzz
H's D
In some/most? organisations there is a closing date for applications and late applications would not be entertained at all. If a short list had been made then that cannot usually be altered.

Strikes could result over such actions in unionised organisations.

As a recruiter, I would say that in the industries I have recruited for, the closing date is when the canddiate accepts.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
emerging shark (IP Logged)
19 April, 2012 17:25
No one has mentioned the fact that all this has probably sold out Kingsholm for Saturday.. Gloucester should be happy..

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Lebowski (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 08:22
Gloucester won’t sue Sale because nothing will ever be proved. Steve Diamond insists there has been no contact and clearly he is a man of integrity – well I’m sure everyone on here believes that anyway.

Ryan Walkinshaw probably shouldn’t have tweeted what he did, but I can understand why he did. He is a young man who is passionate about the club and is clearly very upset at what he believes has happened. Somebody said above he is out of his depth – well in some respects he probably is. Clearly he is not as calculating and amoral as some in this sport.

So Bryan Redpath resigned after being called before the Board to explain what was going on. Well fair enough, it happens all the time. Head coaches on fixed term contracts with two years left to run resign regularly in rugby – don’t they? With two games left in the season? Days before a vital match? Having assembled his own squad for the first time? Having secured all his young guns for the next season? Having brought in exciting players such as Morgan, Cowan and Twelvetrees for next season? Oh yes, and leaving him with no job, no income, no compensation and, since he cited a run of poor results and inability to motivate the squad, not exactly a great CV! Surely we would all do the same in that situation?

What has happened has happened. Sale will now speak with Redpath – after no previous contact – and he will be your next head coach. We all know it. Personally I think it will be for the best in the long run, although clearly not in the short term. Redpath is not the man I thought he was and I genuinely believe Gloucester are well rid. Who knows who will replace him? I am now looking forward to that, not worrying about Redpath. I feel it is a shame that this sort of thing happens in our game, and I suspect some Sale fans won’t be too happy either. Others will of course be fine about it, and doubtless tell me this is all absolute rubbish – because Steve Diamond says so. Hmmm.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Gordon1974 (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 08:33
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AndyMGlos
Having assembled his own squad for the first time? Having secured all his young guns for the next season? Having brought in exciting players such as Morgan, Cowan and Twelvetrees for next season?

Thats what really surprises me about him quitting at such a vital time in glaws season......to be honest my money is still on Mallinder as DoR

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
stevene (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 09:38
c'mon gordon that you know deep down that ain't happening!

I think, should things turn out as I expect, then AndyM has summarised things reasonably. at the end of the day we haven't appointed a DoR yet if if its brush then fair enough if not then fair enough. this could be, to draw a parallel with football, similar to Mark Hughes's actions with fulham and the aston villa vacancy last year.

Bryan does have significant ties to the club and current regime at sale having, I think, being recruited by Dimes when he was in charge (is that correct?) and he has strong links with BK. We also have a number of scottish players at the club whereas a number are leaving gloucester this year (the two lawsons and stroksch). so maybe it is understandable that bryan does want the job.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/04/2012 10:10 by stevene.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Shireshark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 09:44
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Gordon1974
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AndyMGlos
Having assembled his own squad for the first time? Having secured all his young guns for the next season? Having brought in exciting players such as Morgan, Cowan and Twelvetrees for next season?

Thats what really surprises me about him quitting at such a vital time in glaws season......to be honest my money is still on Mallinder as DoR

I'm with you on this one Gordon. Was the 'dream team' that brought us our 1st major trophy and a 2nd place finish in 2001/02 and, I suspect it would still be the 'dream team' 10 years later. IMHO of course!

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Gordon1974 (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:02
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stevene
c'mon gordon that you know deep down that ain't happening!

My, somewhat dodgy logic, is that saints are getting further away from winning the prem this season than ever. In this world cup year tigers have shown they have a better squad than saints, in match-ups they have looked far superior Exeter are catching them as well, while the likes of quins and sarries are getting further away.

On this logic I'm hoping that Mallinder sees that he has taken them as far as he can and once they have driopped out of the top 4 this weekend he decides to come to us for a new challenge.

A flawed arguement I know but we can dream, perhpas they are both coming, mallinder as DoR and redpath as head coach, now thats a dream....

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
emerging shark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:07
Mallinder subservient to Diamond! dream on.......

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
20 April, 2012 11:09
Good point that we are both a DoR and a Head Coach short.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
stevene (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:27
think dimes said the appointment would cover the DoR/ head coach position.

I would imagine a defence coach might be appointed at some point. shaun edwards anyone? might suit him to have a part time appointment with his wales job and lions tour coming up.

I can't see Mallinder leaving saints unless someone makes that decision for him. I am not sure he would comeback to sale anyway tbh. don't forget dimes left as head coach and has ended up coming back as chief exec/ DoR/ bus driver/ water boy etc. Mallinder coming back would be seen, to him I imagine, as a sideways step unless his hand was forced by saints.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:43
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stevene

I would imagine a defence coach might be appointed at some point. shaun edwards anyone? might suit him to have a part time appointment with his wales job and lions tour coming up.


Well he was at our game on Friday. As we both stood in the queue at the chippy on Edgeley high st I asked him whether he was scouting for Wales or would he be joining us in any capacity. His reply was that he was just up to watch a good game of rugby. Read into that what you want.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
MartWhit (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:50
Shaun Edwards, at EP, on a rainy friday night, just to watch a 'good game of rugby'

Clearly the man is lying. It'll never happen.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
emerging shark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:51
(Sm152)

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:54
Those were his exact words... as I said read into it what you want.

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
ageinghoody (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 11:54
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Bull Shark
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stevene

shaun edwards anyone?


... in the queue at the chippy on Edgeley high st ... Read into that what you want.

The pizza takeaway has closed down perhaps?

 
Re: Gloucester threaten legal action
Levellershark (IP Logged)
20 April, 2012 12:56
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Shaun Edwards, at EP, on a rainy friday night, just to watch a 'good game of rugby'
Clearly the man is lying. It'll never happen.


Do you mean that we'll never get a good game of rugby on a wet Friday night? Well we wont now, but I have to admit that we have seen some good games on Friday nights of all descriptions.

Some of us have actually been there!!!



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