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Three in each position
BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 12:09
EJ's aim is to have three strong contenders for each position come RWC 2019. Who do you think he has in mind on current form? He says he has 61 names at present to juggle with but has to have 45 in the EPS. On the basis of three per position whose names are inked in?

1. Vunipola, Marler, Genge
2. Hartley, George, Cowan-Dickie
3. Sinkler, Collier, Williams (Cole too old in 2019 and not sufficiently dynamic)
4. Launchbury, Lawes, Ewels
5. Kruis, Itoje, Isikiewe
6. Robshaw, Wilson, Clifford
7. Underhill, T Curry, B Curry
8. Vunipola, Hughes, Beaumont
9. Youngs, Care, AN Other
10.Farrell, Ford, Lozowkski
11. Nowell, May, Daly
12. Teo, Tuilagi, Francis
13. Joseph, Slade, Marchant
14. Solomona, Earle, A N Other
15. Brown, A N Other x 2

There are still quite a few unclear choices and several places which are up for grabs, and I have omitted some names which have a great deal of experience - Wood, Haskell to name 2. I don't see haley being in the mix, but the cupboard is not overflowing at full back or on the wing. I have liked jack Nowell, but he has been exposed badly on the Lions. I think Haskell has had a poor tour and looks out of his depth. I can't bring myself to select Yarde, and Solomona has a long way to go at this stage to be a rounded international, although he is a tremendous attacking threat.
Of all of these, I would love to see Tuilagi fit again as he is a force of nature. I think we need more strength in depth at scrum half (Robson would have been my third choice but appears to have been passed over by EJ, hence no selection), full back, Wing, and No 8 (Mercer, perhaps?).

 
Re: Three in each position
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 12:12
Watson is one obvious name missing

Nowell for some reason has had a bit of shocker on the Lions trip (trying too hard?) but can't see that getting in the way of England selection where he's always been good

 
Re: Three in each position
ale shark (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 12:37
Hard to disagree with much of the above. Whilst I'm a fan of Hartley the arguments for keeping him get weaker by the day, Jamie George is streets ahead of him and should start for the Lions, you'd want LCD/TT coming off the bench rather than Hartley.

Have the club said anything about Josh's position for next season? He needs be nail one or the other positions down if he's going to be considered for England.

The lack of trusted depth at 9 concerns me, wish he'd had more than the Youngs/Care rotation for the last 2 years. There’s been plenty of opportunity to introduce a new face off the bench.

I think Daly has more to offer than be picked as a starting winger. Should either try and make the full-time switch to 15, given a run at 13 or he'll just become a utility bench player.

Nowell has had a shocker in NZ but whenever he's on the pitch for England they seem to be a more effective unit in pretty much every facet of play, certainly than when the headless May is doing his thing.

Hopefully EJ's preference to turn to Yarde is exhausted, he looked poor on Saturday, not taken his chances. Solomona is a work in progress, it's unlikely Yarde (and Wade?) will improve in the areas of the game that EJ is looking for.

Mike Haley needs a blistering start to next season or 2019 might pass him by.

 
Re: Three in each position
BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 12:45
Surbiton,

Spot on with Watson. I see him as heir apparent at FB.

I like Nowell, but he is not a winger to strike fear into the opposition. He does a lot of work and makes metres but doesn't necessarily make a try from nothing. No real x factor.

 
Re: Three in each position
Prop at Work (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 12:50
Full back is a position where England's previous depth of options has started to dry up. I reckon Daly could really make it his own if he were to specialise.

A fit Pennell should also be pushing the FB spot. His career/development has stuttered over past couple of seasons. As has Haley's in terms of international recognition.

Will Abendanon ever be in the frame again?

 
Re: Three in each position
MartWhit (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 13:02
The reason, Surbiton, for Nowell's exposure on the Lions tour, is just lack of pace. He's very solid all round, but doesnt have a lot of gas.

He is one of a number of players England need to evaluate in terms of whether they are close to their ceiling potential and whether that is enough to stay in the squad. IMO, Nowell has enough to be retained but will always be vulnerable if a speedy young thing comes along and matches his workrate. Others operating close to ceiling potential are:
Haskell
Wood
Teimana Harrison
Robshaw
IMO, only Robshaw of this group will make it through to 2019. The rest offer only workrate as international credentials, and will be usurped by equally energetic but more skilled and athletic operators in Underhill & the Curry's by the end of next season

Hartley
May well survive unless TT can see off the challenge of Johnson at Wasps and nail down a starting spot. However, he'll drop behind George and maybe Cowan-Dickie in the pecking order

Cole
Will survive as 3rd choice for experience. But Sinkler has come on massively and Collier was an absolute revelation for Eng, quite phenomenal scrummaging poise. A big up for Adam Jones tutelage at Quins.

Care
a v limited game manager despite his athletic gifts. Will be vulnerable to smarter, less ego driven players, but probably safe for now.

If Eddie is feeling bold, he'll raise the bar for his squad by bringing in the youngsters with high potential. He;d be losing a lot of the current leadership group but I think the likes of Farrell, Kruis, Itoje, Billy V, Ford, Brown are ready to pick up that mantle seamlessly. In that spirit, I'd go with:

1. Vunipola, Marler, Genge
2. George, Cowan-Dickie, Taylor (Nield could figure here if he really steps up)
3. Sinkler, Collier, Williams
4. Launchbury, Lawes, Ewels
5. Kruis, Beaumont, Isikiewe
6. Itoje, Robshaw, Wilson (too many high quality locks to waste on the sideline, so Itoje plays 6 where there is no standout player, unless Fearns ever comes back to England)
7. Underhill, T Curry, B Curry
8. Vunipola, Hughes, Clifford
9. Youngs, Robson, Care (althoguh the squad is still screaming out for Wigglesworth)
10. Farrell, Ford, Lozowkski
11. Nowell, May, Wade
12. Teo, Tuilagi, Francis
13. Joseph, Slade, Marchant
14. A. Watson, Solomona, M. Watson
15. Brown, Daly, Haley

 
Re: Three in each position
james46 (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 13:11
I don't see Solomona making it with England, he is a big work in progress defensively.


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