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Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Rani of the Road (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 18:52
All signed up for this event, if it's a good as last years it'll be brill.

Can't wait for the season to start.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 20/06/2017 17:25 by Rani of the Road.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder BBQ
iBozz (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 21:24
I know nothing of it and have renewed!

When, where, why, who, what, etc?



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Re: Season Ticket Holder BBQ
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 21:51
You should have received an email iBozz, have you checked your spam folder? I got mine on 6th June:
Quote:
Sale Sharks are delighted to announce that it will be once again hosting an exclusive Open Training Day at the Carrington Training Complex on Saturday 22nd July, exclusively for our 2017/2018 Season Ticket Holders.

"Last season's event was well-received by our supporters so we're looking forward to doing it again” said Director of Rugby Steve Diamond. "It gives our supporters an exclusive insight into how the players train on a daily basis, and they will also have the opportunity to say hello to some of our new signings.”

The event will take place between 11.30am and 2.30pm, and supporters will be able to watch the first team train ahead of the new Premiership season, which starts in early September.

CLICK HERE to register for the event, but be quick - we are having to limit this event to 500 2017/18 Season Ticket Holders, on a first-come-first served basis.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder BBQ
iBozz (IP Logged)
19 June, 2017 21:54
Ah, yes. I did receive that but can't see any mention of a barbecue. (Sm52)



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Re: Season Ticket Holder BBQ
yukon (IP Logged)
20 June, 2017 06:47
have those who applied been notified yet? If they have, I'm not going!

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder BBQ
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
20 June, 2017 07:34
Which season ticket holder is to be barbecued?

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Rani of the Road (IP Logged)
20 June, 2017 17:27
Apologies, I have amended the title. It is a barbecue too, like the event last year (I rang up and asked).

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 07:51
Who is all off to this then?

I'm heading there with mini-me, although sadly my attempted reverse ferret of tweeting the club to tell them I was teasing him about Sam James calling him on to the pitch to throw some passes doesn't appear to have worked ;-)

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
WIZARDofOZ (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 13:47
Hi All, Ive just left the Supporters event at Carrington. What a brilliant day. The Players and staff were very welcoming. The squad trained in front of us all. Free Beer and food. Brilliant idea.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
wrinklieshark (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 17:14
Yes, excellent! Lovely sunny day, really good food prepared by the club's chefs- those players live well!-Angie behind the (free) bar, and interesting commentary from Dimes whilst we watched the squad training.
Mark Cueto interviewed Simon Orange, who is clearly committed to Sale. Mark is a natural with a microphone- a real asset to the club. Good to see the players socialising and obliging all the children with autographs. Worth every penny...oh, I forgot, it was free!

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 20:34
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wrinklieshark
Yes, excellent! Lovely sunny day, really good food prepared by the club's chefs- those players live well!-Angie behind the (free) bar, and interesting commentary from Dimes whilst we watched the squad training.
Mark Cueto interviewed Simon Orange, who is clearly committed to Sale. Mark is a natural with a microphone- a real asset to the club. Good to see the players socialising and obliging all the children with autographs. Worth every penny...oh, I forgot, it was free!

Good to hear, any snippets of news?

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 12:32
from what I gather, quite a few in non contact training and intl players not yet back in camp. Pre season has been v tough, even tougher than normal.

looks like Beaumont may have beefed up a little, whilst Pearce may have slimmed down. Jennings in good fettle.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Rani of the Road (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 14:05
What a fantastic day! All the players were there, the staff helpful and welcoming, as wrinklie says Angie was doing a sterling job on the bar, and I got the chance of a quick chat with Simon Orange who really is committed, seems quite 'hands on', and a really nice man. The food was delicious too, especially the lamb kofte kebabs!

There were a handful of players on light/non-contact training which I wouldn't describe as quite a few' and some of them were academy. Every single one of the players spent time chatting, signing and posing for photographs and of all the benefits accorded to us Season Ticket holders this one was worth the price of it alone!

Well done to everyone who organised this event, and I understand the one the day before and the Mini Tag Fesival, it was brilliant.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 14:59
I didn't recognise Pearce from early pre season shots, looks a good stone lighter to me, much more like the shape you'd want him in

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 15:00
Pearce may indeed have slimmed down, as I didn't spot him around and woke up this morning wondering if something was amiss that he wasn't there! I've probably forgotten what he looks like without his man-bun.

It was indeed a cracking event, my only regret is that I arrived at about 1215 as I didn't think the training was starting until 1230 and I'd thought a full 3 hours might be a bit much for my son. We arrived to find the players already hard at it!

International players are returning next week, Martwhit is correct, which shows we seem to be adhering to the 5 week rest period (slight query over when Paolo finished though....) as a number of other clubs apparently haven't. Various different sessions being outlined by Dimes, explaining what the players were up to on both attack and defence. He tacitly acknowledged that we were a bit soft in defence last year by stating that they are specifically working on defensive structures so that we don't get opened up through the middle.

All the players were really approachable - I know it is part of their job, but they were all charming and friendly. I felt like I could have chatted to any of them for ages! A rundown of those I did chat to while my son was getting his autographs:

Will - really positive energy coming off him. He was the senior figure of 3 doing non-contact running drills on the far side of the pitch and is getting close to coming back into full training. Hopeful for the new season and you can see why he was (is?) a natural captain, his enthusiasm is infectious. He's quite chuffed that TT is injured for the season opener too! (As an aside, there's an open message that they want to make a statement on opening day away at Wasps, here's hoping. Pretty sure I heard Simon Orange say he takes a look on here and has seen the comments about Sale Reserves, when talking about tying up the young talent so "no young player has to leave again". (Hello Simon - great event & thank you for organising!))

Paolo - really enjoyed his unexpected trip to Georgia and hoping to build on last season. Learning a lot from Denny and Josh C and hopes to be involved for a whole season. From the way he talked I got the sense that he wasn't deliberately kept out of the first team for development purposes as some including me surmised, more that he dropped down the pecking order with the new arrivals.

Mike H - similar to what he said on the offy interview about wanting to cut out his errors this season. Asked him how he felt playing for England, you can tell the mentality by the fact he mentioned that it was only the Baa-Baas game and so effectively he doesn't really see it as playing for England. Asked him if Eddie Jones talks to him about areas to improve on and he seemed to suggest not really. Definite frustration that he knows he can be better and needs to be to crack the national setup. (Side note - harsh banter from Cuets when they had a box-kick catching comp. A 9yo boy caught all his perfectly, prompting Cuets to say over the mic "Hey, where's Mike Haley? Are you watching this Mike, you can get some tips from this boy!".

TJ - really talkative, looking forward to the competition in the back row. All about finding the right mix of skills in his view but saying that there are many different attributes so they can blend different strengths.

Rob W - sporting a lovely scar on his arm! Had a joke about hoping to last a bit longer in the first match of the season... He was in the contact sessions so coming along well.

George Nott - eager to get more game time and hoping to force his way in. As with everyone else, he talked of how tough the pre-season training is - very common theme.

And last but not least - James O'Connor. He wandered out to pitchside during the session after doing some gym work for an interview with Cuets, along with Will and Jono. Didn't really talk to him about the game or training but mentioning him as he was full of kind words for my son and encouraging him to keep practising. Very humble for a superstar! (And unfailingly polite even when some people collared him after literally two bites of his lunch!)

I chatted briefly to a few more as well - everyone is excited by the buzz and having the new players in. There was an excellent vibe around the event and when you think that Denny, the Currys, Sam James, Josh Strauss and AJ are all returning next week, there's lots of reasons for optimism.

Final note - seized the chance to get Dimes' autograph too. My son was filling up the mugshots from the back pages of last season's last match day programme. Suffice to say that he immediately flicked forward to his full-page photo at the front of the programme to sign his name there instead...

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
45jumper (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 10:50
Excellent summary Pappje, cheers! thumbs down

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
clutch (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 11:35
Any hints at future signings?

All sounds positive though. don't really see Pearce featuring that much, unless we have injuries though. I guess he will have Europe and LV to try and stake a claim.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 12:11
Well, the clue with Pearce probably lies in something TJ said to me when I asked him about the back row. He talked about "the seven of us" and that was at the back of my mind when I didn't think I'd seen Pearce at all.

TJ, Curry x2, Ross, Strauss, Seymour, Pearce.

Which would seem to suggest that Josh B is very much going to be at lock.....(I know we're expecting it, but if my interpretation is right on the above, is perhaps more confirmation).

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 12:19
If Pearce is in genuinely good shape, theres no reason to think he isnt competitive amongst that back row selection. Along with Strauss they're probably the only real power option.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
WIZARDofOZ (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 13:13
Mart whit, Im a newcomer to this board but how do you think Pearce will get selected in front of Ross. Strauss, TJ, Curry x2 and Beaumont.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 13:45
As written above, it would appear, though not 100% confirmed, that Beaumont is no longer an option in the back row. The way TJ plays he is almost certain to spend some time in the treatment room, Strauss will spend time away on international duty, as will the twins in some way or another. I don't see Pearce as being among our first choice in the back row, but I feel he was often unfairly maligned last season, never forgiven for a poor start. For me he was one of our stronger carriers when given opportunities later in the season. So long as we have learned to utilise rotation options (a largely unfamiliar option for us) then he should feature in the 23 often enough.



There is far too much talk about good ball and bad ball. In my opinion, good ball is when you have possession and bad ball is when the opposition have it." - R.I.P. Dickie Jeeps 25/11/1931 - 08/10/2016

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 14:23
Pearce is a large lad with a RL background. At his best he is possibly the most powerful carrier we have amongst our back row resources, probably even more so than Strauss. Both are 6'4", but Pearce is the heavier by 1st at just shy of 19st in total. And he's reported to have decent hands.

His problem has been putting his best out there regularly. Whether thats because he's not as good as credited, hasn't had the regular starts to find his form, or not got himself in tip top shape none of us know. Its probably the extra 1st above Strauss's weight was uneccesary poundage which was holding him back.

But he's shown well in parts, well enough IMO to compete with the rest of the group, depending on what we want to put on the field. There were many times (too many for my liking) where we were simply too lightweight last year, fielding both curry brothers and George Nott in the 2nd row simultaneously. Our pack is not overendowed with powerful carriers.

Strauss will spend a fair period with Scotland next year, and needs to rest just like any other player.

IMO, Ross & TJ are high energy tackling machines, but less effective ball carriers. The Curry's and Seymour are clearly no7's with a strong ground game and pace across the ground.

On the basis that all sides need a good balance in the back row, I hope Pearce is able to earn hislef a good few start this year and show us what he is capable of.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Crutch (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 16:50
I agree with all that.

Does it also mean that Nott is also now considered a 2nd row only rather than a 4/6?

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
24 July, 2017 17:24
Crutch - I've been kicking myself I didn't ask him precisely that! I suspect he's primarily going to be looked at as a 4 but off the bench gives 4/6 cover.

Martwhit - I see the off season hasn't tempered your insistence on our being too lightweight with both Curry twins and George Nott on the park, but I struggle to see how you justify that view. They started getting more regular game time in the second half of the season which was precisely when we started getting better results. Their impact off the bench was frequently full of impact so I'm not sure what your liking is when their presence was generally a positive. Annoyingly, I've got rid of my matchday programmes from last season where I could get the stats from, but I know I looked at it when you first raised it and am certain the evidence doesn't back up your assertion.

Anyway, that's a digression - it seems clear that we have good depth for different skill sets and to be able to get a good balance out on the pitch.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 06:40
Competition for starting/matchday selection can only be a good thing. Players need challenging and the discussion about the back row shows this should happen.
The key to this is man-management of non-selected players and how those players react (sulking/leaving or something to prove when they get an opportunity)

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 08:05
Personally, I think Nott looks like a very promising 6 to me. He was very effective there for the ENG U20s and I think it suits his athleticism.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
clutch (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 11:36
Pappje, it is a perfectly reasonable argument to suggest that playing 2 18 year old, not fully developed 7's, and a 20 year old not fully developed 4/6 at 4 might make us a little lightweight. I know the Curry's are ridiculous for their age, but playing both of them has to make us lightweight.

There was a couple of occasions when we lost momentum away from home. MartWhit was very critical at the time. I seem to recall partially defending the decision.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 12:32
IMO, the catalyst for our recovery last year was the back division finally getting some shape and structure.

A couple of other useless stats for the season from 1 Jan (i.e.. the Bristol game onwards, 11 prem games in total)

- Overall we scored 57% of our points in the first half of games
- At home we scored 66% of our points in the 1st half
- Away we scored only 45% of our points in the 1st half

- Overall we were outscored by 10pts in the first half, and 31pts in the 2nd half
- At home, we outscored opponents in 1st half by 34pts but underscored by 13 in 2nd half
- Away, we were outscored by opponents in 1st half by 44pts but only by 18 in 2nd half

Overall conclusion:
- We were a dreadful 2nd half team when our bench (or fitness) came into play
- Away from home we capitulated early (pre game), and masked this with better 2nd halves and probably a few cheap consolation scores.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
WIZARDofOZ (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:01
Ive never read such a load of tosh in my life. From what I gather the Sharks lost Cipriani, Moldovan Prop, Taylor, Tuitupo & Braid did not play. Under the previous investors which it appears last seasons team was recruited by stood no chance. Now it appears the new investors have put some money in. O'Connor, Strauss, Ross, Faf, The current 7/8 young england hopefulls. Many youngsters on 5/6 year contracts.

Sale to be Top 4

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
porridge (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:15
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.......

On more than one occasion during his training session commentary Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

Hopefully if the players adhere to the script it should lead to some entertaining attacking rugby.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:27
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porridge
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.......
On more than one occasion during his training session commentary Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

Hopefully if the players adhere to the script it should lead to some entertaining attacking rugby.
Great if we do this with some thought. Oh, and learn to hang on the ball in the tackle!!

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:27
Quote:
porridge
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.......
On more than one occasion during his training session commentary Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

Hopefully if the players adhere to the script it should lead to some entertaining attacking rugby.

For me it's more about better kicking than less kicking. Sarries kick the ball more than anyone in the premiership as far as I can see from the stats, but they choose when to run at the right times and execute it so well.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:29
Clutch/Martwhit - I agree that there is a reasonable argument to be made along those lines but I don't believe it applies to last season. Frustratingly, the game by game breakdown didn't appear in the last match programme of the season and so I can't check it easily, but I did do when it was being discussed late last season. My beef is that I don't think there were many instances of all 3 being on the pitch simultaneously which is the specific gripe that Martwhit levels. For some reason a forum search yesterday brought up zero results for me, so I can't see if I posted the numbers back then either. I genuinely don't believe that you can pinpoint our woes on that trio being on the park together too much simply because it didn't happen as much as perceived.

When analysing match stats, it's quite possible that given our dire run pre-Xmas there were instances of the side giving up scores when knowing they were beaten. You'd also have to look at the timing of second half concessions to see if the points shipped were before or after our bench came on, so it's perhaps not as simple as saying that our bench was consistently weaker (though undoubtedly true on some occasions).

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 13:44
Pappje. Below is the most accessible I can make the data.

For all the post christmas games I list the Opponent, result, and finishing back 5 of the scrum including timings of when each came on (if the were a substitute).

The starting back 5 was pretty consistently:
Evans Ostrikov Nield Lund(then from Exeter on T Curry) Beaumont

Bath Rugby Won 27 24
Evans Nott(77) B Curry T Curry Lund(41)
Try for Ben, Tom putting in a lot of tackles. Sale scored their last points in 50th min

Leicester Tigers Lost 41 28
Evans Nott Nield Lund(67) B Curry(52)
Down 13-20 after 50 mins

Gloucester Rugby Lost 39 30
Evans Nott(62) Nield B Curry T Curry(61)
Leading 24-22 at 61mins

Worcester Warriors Won 36 26
Evans Ostrikov Nield B Curry(53) Beaumont
Ostrikov & Beaumont play full 80, one curry replaced by another

Exeter Chiefs Lost 30 25
Nott(69) Beaumont(63) Nield B Curry(54) Pearce(63)
Sale 19-12 up at HT, 2nd half ended with Nott & Beaumont as 2nd row

Northampton Saints Lost 12 32
Evans Nott(57) B Curry(59) T Curry(50) Beaumont
Thrashed. Down 7-15 at 50mins, still 7-22 when Nott for Mills, Ben for Nield

Saracens Lost 29 18
Evans Beaumont(69) T Curry(59) Nield(57) Seymour(69)
No Ben, finishing Back row of T Curry/Nield/Seymour!!! One of few games we outscored oppo in 2nd half though

Wasps Won 34 28
Evans Beaumont(58) Nield(49) Lund B Curry(58)
Tom unused as sub

Newcastle Falcons Won 26 24
Evans Nott(62) B Curry(62) Lund Ioane
Nott & B Curry arguably stabilised a game slipping away

Harlequins Lost 29 26
Evans Mills(61) Nield Ioane B Curry(50)
Gritty effort to right ship after Bristol game

Bristol Rugby Lost 23 24
Beaumont(73) Ostrikov Nield Lund Ioane(73)
Game won & thrown away twice. Ben unused sub



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 25/07/2017 14:52 by MartWhit.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
WIZARDofOZ (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 15:04
Think your all missing the point. Last year, No Cips, Taylor, Cobilas,Tuitupo, Braid.

Lack of Quality of player was evident. This year we have 10/12 youngsters all matured, 5/6 top drawer imports.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 15:16
Wizard, you seem to have invented your own question.

Even last year, the players were of sufficient quality to only lose by 5 and 11 points respectively to the Champions Exeter and 2nd place Saracens. We were also good enough to lead at halftime against 7 or our final 11 opponents. So lack of quality was not really the issue IMO.

Lack of depth and the way we utilised thin resources was the issue, which we are debating, feel free to join in.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
iBozz (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 16:04
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porridge
?... Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

AT LAST and about bleeding time too. Far too often did we kick the ball away aimlessly, frequently into the opposition's open and waiting arms.

thekeg: the critical word in porridge's post is aimlessly. Tactical kicking is one thing, merely booting the ball anywhere and everywhere is quite another matter.



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Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 18:59
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iBozz
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porridge
?... Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

AT LAST and about bleeding time too. Far too often did we kick the ball away aimlessly, frequently into the opposition's open and waiting arms.

thekeg: the critical word in porridge's post is aimlessly. Tactical kicking is one thing, merely booting the ball anywhere and everywhere is quite another matter.

Fair point but there is no suggestion of the middle ground, which is intelligent kicking!

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 19:04
Martwhit

You specifically said we had Curry x2 and Nott on the field simultaneously which caused us to be too lightweight. Your stats show that happened all of 3 times, the last of which was only for 3 minutes in the final game of the season against Bath. Of the other two, Gloucester is the only one that fits your argument as we were winning before the 3 were together on the pitch. For Saints, we were losing by two scores when Tom Curry came on and by three scores when Nott and Ben Curry came on, so were they to blame?

For the Falcons match when there were two of them on came as subs, they couldn't have got on the pitch quick enough in my view given the way the game was going. Exeter away? We had a huge wind advantage in the first half and didn't take enough advantage of it given Exeter had it in the second half. Five of the other games cited didn't have more than one of them on the pitch at any time.

By all means argue that the squad lacked depth last season and that we weren't big enough - but you can't do so by claiming that it was that trio that were the reason.

Back on the main topic of the session, Dimes did indeed speak about more running and less kicking. I was keeping that trade secret quiet! He effectively said that the amount of kicking was wrong last season. He said that it'd still be needed against rush defences and certain teams, but we should have more emphasis on running the ball. I'm excited for the new season.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
WIZARDofOZ (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 22:42
Mart-no-Whit obviously likes his stats. Stats are useless when used in isolation. S***E PLAYERS LAST YEAR. Forget who did what, when. The squad was trash.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
iBozz (IP Logged)
25 July, 2017 23:22
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thekeg
Quote:
iBozz
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porridge
?... Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

AT LAST and about bleeding time too. Far too often did we kick the ball away aimlessly, frequently into the opposition's open and waiting arms.

thekeg: the critical word in porridge's post is aimlessly. Tactical kicking is one thing, merely booting the ball anywhere and everywhere is quite another matter.

Fair point but there is no suggestion of the middle ground, which is intelligent kicking!

A fair point as well, but I had assumed that tactical kicking implied intelligence!



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Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 06:05
I seem to remember at a fans event last year that Dimes said they work on a game plan in training, but the players don't carry it out when on the pitch.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 06:29
Wizard - somewhat harsh! A few players didn't work out but the squad wasn't that bad. They didn't play at all well for a few months but it was a rut that they got out of. This season should bring reason for optimism.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
clutch (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 07:27
Interesting. Glad to see Diamond say that. Big season for Haley in that regard I think.

Clearly signing Faf and O'Connor is an effort to rectify that. Clearly they are both off the cuff, play what is in front of you type players. That has its own issues, but I'd much rather watch it.

It is all about playing to your strengths. Sarries kick a lot, but they have Wiggy and Farrell. We don't so, we shouldn't be kicking as much. It does make me concerned during the winter months, when running rugby isn't feasible. Then we need our pack to be more commanding, especially when it comes to the maul, which was a bit of a disaster last year.

It's all exciting though. Can't remember the last time I looked forward to a season this much.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 07:29
Arguments in isolation arent much use either.

Stupid me, what am I saying, of course you're correct. We were s***e. No reasoning required.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
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26 July, 2017 08:20
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I seem to remember at a fans event last year that Dimes said they work on a game plan in training, but the players don't carry it out when on the pitch.

Dimes is an affable and gentle soul, but even so I cannot envisage a situation where his pearls of wisdom to the players as to how to play are ignored - certainly not more than once. (Sm14)

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Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
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26 July, 2017 11:07
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?... Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

AT LAST and about bleeding time too. Far too often did we kick the ball away aimlessly, frequently into the opposition's open and waiting arms.

thekeg: the critical word in porridge's post is aimlessly. Tactical kicking is one thing, merely booting the ball anywhere and everywhere is quite another matter.

Fair point but there is no suggestion of the middle ground, which is intelligent kicking!

A fair point as well, but I had assumed that tactical kicking implied intelligence!

It does, meant in porridge's original comment.

 
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SimonG19 (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 11:07
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Mart-no-Whit obviously likes his stats. Stats are useless when used in isolation. S***E PLAYERS LAST YEAR. Forget who did what, when. The squad was trash.

I don't think it is the squad who is trash.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 11:13
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Interesting. Glad to see Diamond say that. Big season for Haley in that regard I think.
Clearly signing Faf and O'Connor is an effort to rectify that. Clearly they are both off the cuff, play what is in front of you type players. That has its own issues, but I'd much rather watch it.

It is all about playing to your strengths. Sarries kick a lot, but they have Wiggy and Farrell. We don't so, we shouldn't be kicking as much. It does make me concerned during the winter months, when running rugby isn't feasible. Then we need our pack to be more commanding, especially when it comes to the maul, which was a bit of a disaster last year.

It's all exciting though. Can't remember the last time I looked forward to a season this much.

I agree about playing to our strengths, but I hear a lot of comments when at the game from supporters who seem to hate any kind of kicking, I think it is one of those aspects of the game that is under appreciated when most top sides do it very well.

I think one noticeable change from last year is the recruitment of ball carriers, so we should be able to get over the gainline quicker and use the wider backs more. Last year we often spent significant periods trying to bosh through rush defences without quite having the firepower to do it properly, then gave up and were forced to kick, rather than kicking as a positive option.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 11:20
Kicking is no different to running, its a right time/right place activity. poor kicking usually happens when you are forced to do it by defensive pressure or when you run out of other ideas. I think we had a bit of both at times last year.

If the platform can be a bit more solid this year, and if the variety or our attacking options, with more good ball carriers and more coherent backplay, is there, then I'm sure we'll kick much better too.

In the end, if you've pulled your opponents up into the defensive line, the kick is often the best option. Vice versa, if Sarries have Goode & Liam Williams stationed at the back, with Billy Vunipola on their shoulder, I hypothesise that running would be a better call. So, head sup rugby it is. Here's hoping our decision makers hit form. In Faf & AJ I have good confidence.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
clutch (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 11:30
Not sure we have signed that many ball carriers. Strauss obviously, and having Beaumont in the second row counts as an extra option, but if Strauss was injured or away we are in theory no different. Ross will carry, but not sure that will be his primary attribute. Mind you, I'm backing him for player of the season, so who knows.

Not sure whether our new props can carry. John can certainly power lift, so he should be useful in theory. Jones is an improvement on Briggs in that regard as well.

Faf looks like a lunatic, so I'm hoping he can be Martens like!!

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Crutch (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 11:51
My personal number one hatred (in an attacking rugby sense) is an up-and-under from 1st phase ball...

We need longer clearances when exiting our 22, and fewer occasions when we kick ball away from the centre line onwards, (unless there's a clear opportunity for a cross-kick or to go in-behind a rush defence).

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
MartWhit (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 12:01
Agree Clutch, we're not stacked with carriers, but more options than last year I think.

Strauss will carry from 8, as will Pearce if deputising. With Josh in 2nd row thats a net gain overall across 4/5/8

At 6, Nield is a loss as a frequent carrier in narrow situations unless he starts at hooker, which I think he will a fair bit. But Ross or TJ will mostly make up for that. Thus a net gain at 2/6.

Other positions will have similar incumbents. We'll have to see what kind of carrying we get from the new props, but I'm hopeful that having a bigger battery of good props means that we dont have to play Harrison or Aulika to death and dent their carrying effectiveness.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
thekeg (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 14:09
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Not sure we have signed that many ball carriers. Strauss obviously, and having Beaumont in the second row counts as an extra option, but if Strauss was injured or away we are in theory no different. Ross will carry, but not sure that will be his primary attribute. Mind you, I'm backing him for player of the season, so who knows.
Not sure whether our new props can carry. John can certainly power lift, so he should be useful in theory. Jones is an improvement on Briggs in that regard as well.

Faf looks like a lunatic, so I'm hoping he can be Martens like!!

I'd say Strauss and ross definitely are, plus Beaumont at lock gives I that extra option. Jones better than Briggs in that area so that's an upgrade. The new props are an unknown....also suggestion the lock we are after will provide more of a carrying option

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
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26 July, 2017 19:17
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Mart-no-Whit obviously likes his stats. Stats are useless when used in isolation. S***E PLAYERS LAST YEAR. Forget who did what, when. The squad was trash.

Please do not get personal....you have had one friendly warning already.



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Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
Olyy (IP Logged)
26 July, 2017 22:04
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Apologies if this has already been mentioned.......
On more than one occasion during his training session commentary Dimes emphasised that next season part of our game plan is to run the ball back rather than aimless kicking.

Hopefully if the players adhere to the script it should lead to some entertaining attacking rugby.

For me it's more about better kicking than less kicking. Sarries kick the ball more than anyone in the premiership as far as I can see from the stats, but they choose when to run at the right times and execute it so well.
I remember seeing some stats a few years ago that had the all blacks as the international side that kicks the most.
As you say, It's all about knowing when to turn it on and when to play it safe/for pressure.

 
Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
27 July, 2017 08:39
.... and it's all about kicking to the right areas and pressurising the receivers.



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Re: Season Ticket Holder Open Training Session and BBQ
clutch (IP Logged)
27 July, 2017 11:10
Fans will moan about kicking if it is aimless kicking. That team will then be perceived to be kicking the ball away too much. It is easy to forget how important kicking is when watching Sale. Fans are always moaning about us kicking the ball away too much, even though it is often the right call at the time. It will be an area of concern this season, no doubts, and if all our other issues are rectified, it will possibly be the difference between top 4, and 6-7th.


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