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Andy Farrell
2007dwain (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 10:14
May have missed some sort of joke somewhere but just seen on twitter a rumour of Andy Farrell coming is as DOR

 
Re: Andy Farrell
17 July, 2017 11:57
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Re: Andy Farrell
2007dwain (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 12:50
Ok just listened to the source of the tweet on the rugby podcast in the last minutes it suggests rumours he is coming to sale so dimes can take more of back seat.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
23Shark (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 15:34
Has he forgotten what happened last time he did that?

 
Re: Andy Farrell
emerging shark (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 16:25
Wouldn't surprise me, can he bring Owen with him please!

 
Re: Andy Farrell
thekeg (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 17:33
Given our ambition and dimes's longstanding plan to change his role, he seems to be a logical target for us. Not saying we will get him though....

 
Re: Andy Farrell
MartWhit (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 17:52
This would be a great capture for us. Top calibre coach and would surely attract a lot of interest from fans and potential recruits. I expect the players would be delighted to work with him.

Would form a slightly imbalanced coaching setup long on defence specialism, but without an obvious forward coach unless Dimes somehow continues in that role, which would seem unlikely.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
clutch (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 12:53
Has Braid been replaced? If not, I assume we will get a forwards coach at some point.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
MikeGC (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 17:53
If this is true then, IMHuO, it puts a much needed tick in the "stronger next season" box

 
Re: Andy Farrell
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 18:07
Can anyone really see it happening?

A burgeoning reputation at international level, presently with Ireland and of course the Lions under his belt, is he not more likely to be sticking where he is and thinking about being the England coach when Eddie Jones departs, particularly if that is post the 2019 RWC?

 
Re: Andy Farrell
2007dwain (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 19:02
Maybe he's thinking good experience here for few years before Eddie goes

 
Re: Andy Farrell
Timpers (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 19:53
I don't think he's been head coach anywhere has he? A couple of years doing that, then step up to England.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
thekeg (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 20:25
A DOR job seems like a logical progression to me. I'd expect a bigger club than us more likely, but he's from the area and may want a return if we can convince him of our ambitions and pay him well....

 
Re: Andy Farrell
emerging shark (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 20:30
'I'd expect a bigger club than us more likely,'
Which one would you have in mind keg? and who is likely to be out of a job soon?
I suspect that we might just be a 'big club soon'

 
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Yareet (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 21:18
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'I'd expect a bigger club than us more likely,' Which one would you have in mind keg? and who is likely to be out of a job soon?
I suspect that we might just be a 'big club soon'

Nobody is "likely" to be but Bath got shot of Ford within a season of making the final and him being named DoR of the season. Mauger was sacked the day after winning the Anglo Welsh.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
thekeg (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 21:24
Well there's no doubt that there are a few clubs where a DOR would be more likely to get trophies than with us in the next 2 or 3 years, but you are right to suggest they are less likely to have vacancies soon. I guess saints are most likely of the long established clubs, but there's suggestions of some money issues there, so perhaps it isn't quite as attractive as it used to be. We could be viewed as a good option given recent progress off the pitch, but I think we could also be viewed as a bit of a risk given a lack of recent appearances in the top 4 and our issues in attracting a decent crowd. As often discussed on here, working with dimes may not appeal to all....

 
Re: Andy Farrell
HaleShark (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 21:42
Andy Farrell is associated with the Stuart Lancaster years of coaching England and the embarrassment of a host nation going out in the group stages so I'm not so sure he'll be the first name on the list of prospective England head coaches at the moment. However that could change if he's head coach/director of rugby of a team that enjoys considerable success. But 2019 is only a couple of years away and are we sure E.J. will step down after the World Cup, has he said as much? England have done well from a foreign coach, I wouldn't be surprised if they look at S.H. coaches again.

I'd like to think having Andy Farrell as our D.o.R. would be something of a coup, certainly a high profile name and I would imagine he's the kind of guy who could work with S.D.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
WiganSaler (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 23:47
That's one way to get a few Wigan Warriors fans switching to "Kick and Clap" (Sm100)



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Re: Andy Farrell
hilly07 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 09:32
Andy Farrell is also associated with beating NZ as defence coach with both Ireland and the Lions, as well as a Grand Slam chasing England all in the past 12 months.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
ale shark (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 09:41
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Andy Farrell is associated with the Stuart Lancaster years of coaching England and the embarrassment.....

From what I've read most of the muddled thinking around the world cup performances was down to the influential role Farrell Snr played. England's 24-month build-up to the world cup was, by and large, pretty decent. It all blew up in the world cup when they abandoned the game that had worked in the previous 6 nations, largley down to Farrell's input and the unspeakable distraction surrounding the camp.

I hope Farrell gets nowhere near the current generation of players as he was instrumental in their world cup downfall, many of the same players will still be around post 2019.

If he had a role at SS I'd be fine with that if they asked me, just don't think it would be platform for an England role.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
MartWhit (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 09:49
so how do you equate that with Farrells track record as Lions defence coach and in beating NZ regularly? Definitelyt a 2 sided coin this argument.

I think he'd be a good fit for us, just because his street wisdom would be good for us i think.

Whether he'd come would significantly depend on how much authority he was given. We are a risk, but one with considerable upside given greater stability and potential on and off the pitch. He's only likely to take the risk if he has strong control over events. Some kind of shared structure with Dimes probably wouldnt be sufficient.

A couple of othe robservations:
1) is it possible this story is inflated, and we're discussing using him in some sort of consultancy role to fulfil a specific purpose and utilise his downtime outside of the international windows?

2) I think there may be an even better option out there if we want to take a small risk on a new DoR. 'The Axe' Sanderson. Offer him a payrise and a promotion. He'll be an amazing head coach one day, and probably not too far down the road.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
james46 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 09:54
Interesting that Sarries don't want him back.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
MartWhit (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 10:00
You'd have to say Sarries have successfully groomed succesors to him. They were even able to lose his immediate successor Paul Gustard without damaging effect.

I'd say they simply dont need him and needn't pay top dollar for the kind of skills he offers.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
Monty9 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 10:09
Lancaster or Farrell are not bad coaches because of the World Cup, just like many of the players from that World Cup are not bad players. Farrell would be a great addition as DOR or Head Coach but I think it's a non story

 
Re: Andy Farrell
SaleGangster (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 16:11
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2) I think there may be an even better option out there if we want to take a small risk on a new DoR. 'The Axe' Sanderson. Offer him a payrise and a promotion. He'll be an amazing head coach one day, and probably not too far down the road.

This is what I dream of for Sale.

 
Re: Andy Farrell
thekeg (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 18:22
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MartWhit
2) I think there may be an even better option out there if we want to take a small risk on a new DoR. 'The Axe' Sanderson. Offer him a payrise and a promotion. He'll be an amazing head coach one day, and probably not too far down the road.

This is what I dream of for Sale.

I'd love to have him back as well, but I guess he's going to be next up as Sarries DOR

 
Re: Andy Farrell
HaleShark (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 21:15
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HaleShark
Andy Farrell is associated with the Stuart Lancaster years of coaching England and the embarrassment.....

From what I've read most of the muddled thinking around the world cup performances was down to the influential role Farrell Snr played. England's 24-month build-up to the world cup was, by and large, pretty decent. It all blew up in the world cup when they abandoned the game that had worked in the previous 6 nations, largley down to Farrell's input and the unspeakable distraction surrounding the camp.

I hope Farrell gets nowhere near the current generation of players as he was instrumental in their world cup downfall, many of the same players will still be around post 2019.

If he had a role at SS I'd be fine with that if they asked me, just don't think it would be platform for an England role.

I believe this is correct, it was widely reported upon around the time England crashed out of the World Cup but for me it brought questions about S.L. ability to manage the coaches and why they adopted different tactics to those that brought success. The distraction of trying to accommodate Burgess into the England team was a major factor also.

Whilst there's a lot of negativity around A.F. I think he possesses a lot of ability and the debacle of England shouldn't cloud our judgement to much. I'd be more than happy to see A.F. at Sale and I've said before I reckon he's the kind of bloke who could work with S.D. I wouldn't read anything into Sarries not wanting A.F.back, they will have moved on for now.

Alex Sanderson I'm sure will be a great coach, such a committed player and I was gutted when he left Sale, shame his career was cut short through injury. Would be great if we could entice him back.


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