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How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
27 August, 2017 10:02
In the Brian Leigh Lancashire Trophy

Burnage 39
Blackburn 27

The boys from Varley Park were pretty rusty as this was their first competitive match of the new season. However, despite a fabulous comeback by Blackburn we managed to progress in our defence of the trophy.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
27 August, 2017 22:04
25-08-2017 Cheshire Cup match

Sale FC 21 - 7 Chester



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
28 August, 2017 11:21
Cheshire Vase

Sandbach 50 Wilmslow 17

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
28 August, 2017 18:54
Lancashire Cup
Manchester 38 Rochdale 7
Both clubs from North One west.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
31 August, 2017 21:44
Oh and Manchester also won the RFU's prestigious "Team of the Year award" for last season last night at the National Rugby Awards after gaining 15 consecutive bonus point wins to secure the league title by a single point!

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
01 September, 2017 08:17
Quote:
H's Dad...
Oh and Manchester also won the RFU's prestigious "Team of the Year award" for last season last night at the National Rugby Awards after gaining 15 consecutive bonus point wins to secure the league title by a single point!

Excellent, congratulations to MFC.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
01 September, 2017 08:42
Quote:
H's Dad...
Oh and Manchester also won the RFU's prestigious "Team of the Year award" for last season last night at the National Rugby Awards after gaining 15 consecutive bonus point wins to secure the league title by a single point!

Brilliant.
We are looking forward to seeing MFC at Varley Park

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
01 September, 2017 10:41
I may as well get the embarrassing bits out of the way before our glorious league season kicks off:

Pre-season friendlies:

Sale FC 5 - 14 Jed Forest

Coventry 50 - 0 Sale FC



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
02 September, 2017 19:03
2nd September 2017, National 2 North

A good start to the term!

Sale FC 48 - 10 Leicester Lions



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
02 September, 2017 20:27
St Benedicts (Cumbria) 12 Manchester 28!

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
02 September, 2017 23:01
Vale of Lune 58 Burnage 12 in North One West
Unfortunately I was unable to attend and unable to comment further. Despite the fact that VoL's hospitality is excellent I suspect it felt like a long trip home.

Burnage 2's drew with Fylde 3's
I watched this one but it was robbed of any real meaning by Fylde turning up without any front row players, so uncontested scrums from the kick-off. Unfortunately they also thought it was OK to bring their own booze (in cans). They were never going to spend more than a few quid each, but it grates against the ethos of the game in my humble opinion.

Heaton Moor 3's lost to Burnage 3's



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/09/2017 13:23 by MikeGC.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
03 September, 2017 13:24
For those of you with nothing better to do on October 14th Burnage host Manchester in the next round of the Lancashire Trophy.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Flumpty (IP Logged)
03 September, 2017 15:06
Ilkley 20 Kendal 16
So close, in a game of 2 halves

Kendal 2nds 33 Liverpool Collegiate 7
A cracking result for the 2nds after winning promotion last season

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
emerging shark (IP Logged)
03 September, 2017 18:04
Stockport 32 Blackburn 20.Ably led by the magnificent Dean Schofield who played the full 80 mins on a hot day. He had the ref in his pocket whole match.
Quote from Schoey 'the ref told me that I need to come down to his level of refereeing and I told him he needs to come up to mine'. priceless...

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Shw Mae (IP Logged)
05 September, 2017 16:26

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
05 September, 2017 18:27
Quote:

I think Carlisle is slightly further

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Elasmo (IP Logged)
05 September, 2017 23:35
Quote:
MikeGC
Quote:

I think Carlisle is slightly further

Further north maybe! According to Google maps it's longer in both miles and time to St Bs.
Probably even more difference in a coach.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
06 September, 2017 06:07
Quote:
Elasmo
Quote:
MikeGC
Quote:

I think Carlisle is slightly further

Further north maybe! According to Google maps it's longer in both miles and time to St Bs.
Probably even more difference in a coach.

It would appear that my eyesight or my reading has gone a little wonky !
I recall it being a nightmare journey when we went up there on the coach last season ......

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
10 September, 2017 08:51
Burnage 42 Rochdale 7 in North One West
Sedgley Park 3's beat Burnage 2's
Ashton on Mersey 1's beat Burnage 3's

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Flumpty (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 09:23
Not to bright on the Kendal front this week

Kirkby Lonsdale 24 Kendal 14
Not To Be

Kirkby Lonsdale 2nds 29 Kendal 2nds 14

Manchester Ladies 17 Kendal Wasps 10

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 14:03
Sedgley Park 24 - 16 Sale FC sad smiley



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 16:36
Midlands Premier

Sandbach 29 Bridgnorth 26

Hung on at the end but first win of the season.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
12 September, 2017 05:32
Similar for Scunny. After going down 20-15 away at Birmingham & Solihull last week, a Home Victory this week.

Scunny 38 v 33 Newbold on Avon

6th Midlands Premier



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
12 September, 2017 23:18
Caldy 1sts and 2nds both won. By a quirk of modern fixture organisation, both were at home against Fylde. Bill Beaumont didn't have a great weekend.
Caldy 35-17 Fylde
and in the 2nd team game Caldy 25-17 Fylde.

Caldy lost the first game of the season, but are up and running and sitting about mid table in National 1.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 08:30
Quote:
DaveAitch
Bill Beaumont didn't have a great weekend.

Indeed not, I believe that he was at the AJB on Friday night - a veritable hat-trick of despair



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 19:28
Although SFC clearly were the better side on the day, Sheffield Tigers never gave up. However, it was a game where, for 70 minutes, SFC played to win.

The other 10 minutes were spent trying to prove that they should all play for SS as we excelled, at the start of the second half, in convincingly trying to throw away a fairish half-time lead (26 - 3)!

Sale FC 52 - 15 Sheffield Tigers

All in all, an excellent afternoon's entertainment.

Next week we Entertain Sheffield. Yes, the same(ish) name but a different team.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 22:05
Currently enjoying a break on Shetland so can't offer any opinions on the match
Burnage 31 Warrington 34 - allegedly we threw it away
Burnage 2's also lost but I can't find the result
Burnage 3's appear to have had no fixture

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 04:35
The West Midlands not proving a happy hunting ground

Bournville 36 v 12 Scunny

10th Midlands Premier



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To see life as a fun and take it if we can

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 18:02
Defying SS's frequent example in often snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, SFC today snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

An appalling passage of play by SFC throughout much of the first half, error strewn and at times jaw dropping and definitely uncharacteristic, saw us trailing at half time by 3 - 17 to Sheffield.

A revitalised and much more impressive second half performance saw us run out winners.

Sale FC 31 - 17 Sheffield.

Note that the opposition were Sheffield, and not Sheffield Tigers as bizarrely stated on the team sheet. We played Tigers last weekend! Perhaps our poor first half performance was because we were confused buy our guests seeming to be wearing the wrong shirts!

Or maybe we just weren't savvy enough.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
23 September, 2017 20:35
Ouch

Scunny 18 v 52 Newport (Salop)

Looks terrible but table topping Newport have scored 235 points in just 4 games, the next closest is a full 70 points behind.


13th Midlands Premier.



Unhappiness, where's when I was young
And we didn't give a damn
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To see life as a fun and take it if we can

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
24 September, 2017 08:10
Burnage 34 Northwich 36 in North One West
Frustratingly I can't get the scores for the 2nd and 3rd team game (at Warrington and Altrincham respectively) as the NOWIRUL website is woefully behind. Yes, you are right, I should know but I didn't get home from Shetland until 10pm last night.

Edit - spelling



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/09/2017 08:12 by MikeGC.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
24 September, 2017 09:44
I'm glad you did edit your spelling - I thought Sh!tland was a bit OTT for you Mike.



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Dis mus be da place

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Shw Mae (IP Logged)
26 September, 2017 13:05

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
30 September, 2017 17:06
Currently in a very soggy Penzance so no comment on how the games went.

However
Douglas (I.O.M.) 16 Burnage 27
Burnage 2's beat Kendal 2's
Manchester 3's beat Burnage 3's

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 15:48
National League Division Two North

South Leicester 22 - 22 Sale FC (4th from 16)



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Shw Mae (IP Logged)
03 October, 2017 13:10

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 16:42
National 2 North

Sale FC 21 - 6 Hinckley. 3rd of 16



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2017 21:31 by iBozz.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 17:23
Old Elthamians 23-21 Caldy.

More significantly Caldy are at home to Plymouth Albion and their star number 10 next week on either a 15:00 or 14:00 kickoff.

There will be a lot of people somewhat annoyed at Caldy next week when they turn up at the wrong time. One web article (Caldy - club news 28/09/2017) informs us that the kick off has been changed to 2pm but everywhere else, including the poster at the entrance gate to the ground, is still saying 3pm.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
07 October, 2017 21:28
Blackburn 23 Burnage 12 in North One West
Kirby Lonsdale 2's beat Burnage 2's
Burnage 3's beat Hope 1st XV

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
08 October, 2017 18:14
Hope Valley only fielded 10 players I'm ashamed to say.

Match report here:-

[www.pitchero.com]



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Dis mus be da place

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Flumpty (IP Logged)
08 October, 2017 20:01
Quote:
Mrs Trellis of North Wales
Hope Valley only fielded 10 players I'm ashamed to say.
Match report here:-

[www.pitchero.com]

Mrs T, you should be proud of the 10 that rocked up and played - a true judge of their character.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
09 October, 2017 16:02
10 v 11 according to the report.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
09 October, 2017 16:15
Typical Racing Burnage chicanery.



https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4248/34452231260_b77f3695e4_t.jpg
Dis mus be da place

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Shw Mae (IP Logged)
09 October, 2017 16:57

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MikeGC (IP Logged)
09 October, 2017 17:38
Quote:
Mrs Trellis of North Wales
Typical Racing Burnage chicanery.

Racing Club de Burnage if you don't mind.
Sounds like the captains and referee agreed on a format and everyone got a game. Shame it was a little one sided. I guess Hope are a one team Club - let's hope they survive this crisis, without them that league would be poorer.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
14 October, 2017 21:11
National 2 North

Tynedale 7 - 5 Sale FC 5th of 16



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 03:22
A other tough week

Scunny 25 v 53 Nuneaton

12th Midlands Premier

I expect Bradwall will be along shortly to give Bach's superb result.



Unhappiness, where's when I was young
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'Cause we were raised
To see life as a fun and take it if we can

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 09:46
Caldy 17-34 Plymouth

Caldy were second best to Plymouth Albion. Early on it looked as though Plymouth would post a high score, but Caldy came back to lead (briefly) 17-12. Then Plymouth scored a try to level but should have taken the lead when, what seemed a fairly easy kick, hit the upright. Another far more difficult kick, later on, was struck clean between the posts. In the end Plymouth, always the better side, won by 17.

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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
maccshark (IP Logged)
15 October, 2017 10:10
Macc 45-55 Sheffield Tigers

Tryfest with defence optional at times. Great entertainment, well done both teams.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
16 October, 2017 10:42
Quote:
PoyntonShark
A other tough week
Scunny 25 v 53 Nuneaton

12th Midlands Premier

I expect Bradwall will be along shortly to give Bach's superb result.

Oh... OK then.

Sandbach 72 Longton 0

Coaches McGuigan and Webber both in attendance. Things seem to be coming together. (Tempts fate)

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Shw Mae (IP Logged)
16 October, 2017 15:45

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
21 October, 2017 19:56
National 2 North

Sale FC 19 - 3 Macclesfield 5th of 16

In spite of being down to 14 men following a Sin Binning (a deliberate knock-on, I can't really argue with Sir on that one), SFC maintained their pressure and ran out deserved winners.

Blustery conditions with occasional rain were not ideal playing weather but it wasn't as bad as were conditions elsewhere, it seems.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 19:48
WooHoo
Away win

Derby 24 v 27 Scunny

9th Midlands Premier



Unhappiness, where's when I was young
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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
22 October, 2017 20:18
Caldy nearly had an away win at Rosslyn Park in National 1, but the BBC had the scores wrong. It has now been corrected to a 36-32 defeat, but the Beeb have not credited Caldy with getting two bonus points. The table on NCA rugby has added those two bonus points.

NCA an BBC are at variance in about half the totals published in their tables, so which team really has what, I wouldn't really know.....and don't tell me to go the RFU results and table, because they have got things wrong in the past (and ? present) too.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 11:29
Quote:
DaveAitch
Caldy nearly had an away win at Rosslyn Park in National 1, but the BBC had the scores wrong. It has now been corrected to a 36-32 defeat, but the Beeb have not credited Caldy with getting two bonus points. The table on NCA rugby has added those two bonus points.
NCA an BBC are at variance in about half the totals published in their tables, so which team really has what, I wouldn't really know.....and don't tell me to go the RFU results and table, because they have got things wrong in the past (and ? present) too.

Try the NCA site here Dave [www.ncarugby.com]

I'd trust them above the other two and particularly above the BBC site which is consistently wrong.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 17:02
Simon, it is the NCA site I use mainly to check as I have always believed it to be closer to reality. That said, I have emailed them a couple of times in the past when (even they) have had an error creep in. I suppose it's a case of however good the spreadsheet, someone still has to punch in the correct information.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Flumpty (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 18:51
Quote:
DaveAitch
I suppose it's a case of however good the spreadsheet, someone still has to punch in the correct information.

& if the inputter is given duff information, the system is stuffed.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
23 October, 2017 22:23
Quote:
DaveAitch
Simon, it is the NCA site I use mainly to check as I have always believed it to be closer to reality. That said, I have emailed them a couple of times in the past when (even they) have had an error creep in. I suppose it's a case of however good the spreadsheet, someone still has to punch in the correct information.

Indeed. I'm sure the NCA site is occasionally incorrect but as I said I'd trust it ahead of the RFU and BBC sites.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
24 October, 2017 12:14
Midlands Premier

Newbold 20 Sandbach 36

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
04 November, 2017 19:01
Saturday, 28/10/2017 Otley 13 - 31 Sale FC

Saturday, 04/11/2017 Sale FC 48 - 5 Luctonians 5th of 16



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
06 November, 2017 11:43
Midlands Premier

Mighty 'bach 15 Nuneaton 12

Hard fought victory

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
11 November, 2017 20:35
National 2 North, Saturday, 11 November 2017.

Stourbridge 16 - 39 Sale FC 5th of 16



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
tigerburnie (IP Logged)
12 November, 2017 10:54
What's going on with Sale FC's 2's, right ruck going on in the Rolling Maul website, seems they either turn up short of players or not turning up at all?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
12 November, 2017 15:53
its tight at the top of NL2N.

Sale have had some tough fixtures and dont have any vs the top 5 until the mid point. Their only setbacks have been in tough away fixtures. They're well in with a shout.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
12 November, 2017 17:23
after defeat in the local derby last week

Doncaster Phoenix 36 v 17 Scunny

A good home win over 2nd place this week

Scunny 31 v 15 Peterborough Lions

8th Midlands Premier



Unhappiness, where's when I was young
And we didn't give a damn
'Cause we were raised
To see life as a fun and take it if we can

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 10:11
Sandbach er...109 Old Halesonians 0

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 12:27
how old were Halesonians?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 13:42
Quote:
MartWhit
how old were Halesonians?

Poor lads are going through a tough time. Having been one of the toughest sides in the league for a few years, last season they took the decision to stop paying players. As a result 14 of the first team walked out and now they are finding themselves in something of a freefall, having to field colts etc.

They'll come back once they have found their level and can build again.Good for our points difference but felt for their lads.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 14:27
Been there, done that at MRFC. Best wishes to them. I sincerely hope our world records aren't in jeopardy!

It would appear MRFC are now finding their level.
Carlisle 27 Manchester 28.
They apparently travelled with a relatively weak team, but held it together well on the road.
Bugle Boy Charlie both on the score sheet and a persistent thorn in the opposition's side (and probably the ref's as well!)

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 14:41
just probably?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 14:51
It's a sad and I trust unintended consequence of professionalism that Members' Clubs have to pay their players to achieve any form of "success" - however that is defined these days.

Players should play for their Club, not for their match fee.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 14:57
Its more than possible to play both for your club and match fee. The passion allocated to each is rather down to each individual and the club environment that find themselves in.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 14:57
He played 6/7 this week Martwhit! At 9 it's de rigeur, but I live in hope....(Sm14)

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 15:34
a scrum half who can play blindside. Thats my kind of scrum half. He must be better than me, because I was always being asked to fill in at hooker.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 17:02
He wants to play 8!(Sm6)

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 18:29
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MartWhit
Its more than possible to play both for your club and match fee. The passion allocated to each is rather down to each individual and the club environment that find themselves in.

Fair enough, MartWhit, but Manchester and Halesonians, and a few seasons ago Sale FC 2nds, have all suffered from player loss due to payment conditions as, no doubt, have many others - whether by reduced payments, zero paymemts or a higher offer by another local Club.

Not many, if any, Clubs generate enough gate and membership income from rugby to pay for the playing expenses in total (fees, travel, kit, etc. etc).

I am, by nature, an old (and before anyone jumps in, I use the term old as in tradtional and not in any admission of antiquity) rugby f@rt who regrets the comimg of professionalism but is realistic enough to accept that it will not go away.

The ethos of our game is changing both at player and spectator level and I regret it.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
tigerburnie (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 18:47
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iBozz
Fair enough, MartWhit, but Manchester and Halesonians, and a few seasons ago Sale FC 2nds, have all suffered from player loss due to payment conditions as, no doubt, have manymotjers - whether by reduced payments, zero paymemts or a higher offer by another local Club.

Not many, if any, Clubs generate enoigh gate and membership income from rugby to pay for the playing expenses in total (fees, travel, kit, etc. etc).

I am, by nature, an old (and before anyone jumps in, I use the term old as in tradtional and not in any admission of antiquity) rugby f@rt who regrets the comimg of professionalism but is realistic enough to accept that it will not go away.

The ethos of our game is changing both at player and spectator level and I regret it.
It's a better game though, apart from the lack of rucking and the silly lifting in the lineout. It's not money that's ruining the progress of the game(or lack of it), it's the people in suits allegedly running the game that might just kill it as a sporting spectacle.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
13 November, 2017 22:53
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It's a better game though ...

I don't believe that it is necessarily better. It is a different game, but I'm not sure that it is any better as a result of professionalism.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Bradwall Boy (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 10:34
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iBozz
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MartWhit
Its more than possible to play both for your club and match fee. The passion allocated to each is rather down to each individual and the club environment that find themselves in.

Fair enough, MartWhit, but Manchester and Halesonians, and a few seasons ago Sale FC 2nds, have all suffered from player loss due to payment conditions as, no doubt, have many others - whether by reduced payments, zero paymemts or a higher offer by another local Club.

Not many, if any, Clubs generate enough gate and membership income from rugby to pay for the playing expenses in total (fees, travel, kit, etc. etc).

I am, by nature, an old (and before anyone jumps in, I use the term old as in tradtional and not in any admission of antiquity) rugby f@rt who regrets the comimg of professionalism but is realistic enough to accept that it will not go away.

The ethos of our game is changing both at player and spectator level and I regret it.



The problem with the community game is when clubs have ambitions that are not sustainable financially and it usually involves using the club's money to pay players. At some point you get tears. Better to invest in mini juniors and better facilities. It's a route we have taken and it seems to be paying off.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 11:11
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tigerburnie
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iBozz
Fair enough, MartWhit, but Manchester and Halesonians, and a few seasons ago Sale FC 2nds, have all suffered from player loss due to payment conditions as, no doubt, have manymotjers - whether by reduced payments, zero paymemts or a higher offer by another local Club.

Not many, if any, Clubs generate enoigh gate and membership income from rugby to pay for the playing expenses in total (fees, travel, kit, etc. etc).

I am, by nature, an old (and before anyone jumps in, I use the term old as in tradtional and not in any admission of antiquity) rugby f@rt who regrets the comimg of professionalism but is realistic enough to accept that it will not go away.

The ethos of our game is changing both at player and spectator level and I regret it.
It's a better game though, apart from the lack of rucking and the silly lifting in the lineout. It's not money that's ruining the progress of the game(or lack of it), it's the people in suits allegedly running the game that might just kill it as a sporting spectacle.

I disagree entirely. It's money which has caused fixture list chaos with supporters having to watch games at all sorts of different times and days to accommodate TV. It's also money which is bringing football style transfers between clubs and which is causing clubs to go further and further into the red to compete. (Saracens over 45m in debt).

The there's the salary cap fiasco where money enabled a highly disreputable club to threaten legal action against those that challenged their shenanigans and to make "settlement" payments to other clubs thus corrupting the entire Premiership competition.

A better game? I don't think so.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 11:58
money? or greed?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 12:16
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Bradwall Boy
The problem with the community game is when clubs have ambitions that are not sustainable financially and it usually involves using the club's money to pay players. At some point you get tears. Better to invest in mini juniors and better facilities. It's a route we have taken and it seems to be paying off.

SFC, back in the day when our two Sproglodytes were in their youth, was notorious and unpopular for not having Minis and Juniors and ours cut their teeth at Manchester.

SFC are now running minis and juniors but the flow of home grown youngsters has yet to come through to the "senior" levels - we should be seeing them reach the required ages in a year or two. We are also investing in the Heywood Road premises with the Steve Smith Bar already revamped and the upstairs area and squash courts currently undergoing major refurbishment.

Current developments, progress to date.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 12:32
iBozz, do you think Sale FC can get promoted this year?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
iBozz (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 19:27
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iBozz, do you think Sale FC can get promoted this year?

It's a possibility, we've been up against some pretty stiff opposition so far this term and the team are playing well together (even without Jack Moorehouse who has taken a knock or two). Our performance against Stourbridge, the league leaders, on Saturday was superb and I'm glad I was there to watch. Excellent running rugby, played as it should be by both sides, with little or no aimless kicking the ball away every thirty seconds as happens with another side using the name Sale! Four points separate the top five Clubs in N2N.

I'm sure that many at SFC would like promotion (as would I) but it is a big step up to the next level and, although Caldy seem to be settling in reasonably well at 12th from 16, Macclesfield found the jump a tad too far.

Another year at this level would do us no harm as I would hate to go up only to drop straight back down again.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 21:51
SFC seem to have vastly superior defence to anyone else in the league. Havinghad to give back their dual registered palyers and had several injuries, I think they're quite well placed for the second half, with home games against most of the top sides.

In the event of promotion, assuming some sensible recruitment and with continued support from the greater kicking Sale, I'd be confident Sale FC could hold their own.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
14 November, 2017 22:42
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MartWhit
money? or greed?

It's a good question. I think the money certainly creates greed from some who want more and more and who don't want to share it with others but it also creates desperation in others who are scared of being left behind and therefore think they have to splash the cash to keep up.

In principle the salary cap should have helped but the problem was that there was one particular club that doesn't have any principles so it didn't.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 08:52
There's enough clubs who've suffered at the hands of payment of players, relatively few who've benefitted IMO. Its much more than an issue of false confidence or trying too hard ot keep up with the Jones's.

I think the root of it is simply the turnover of players it creates, with many having ambition and/or greed and moving clubs. It has to eat away at the club and community it serves. Whether its H's D's Manchester, or even old Salians back in the day.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
Monty9 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 09:11
As much as there are quite a few clubs struggling or at least not reaching their expectations who pay, there are also quite a few genuine amateur clubs who are flourishing in the NW, Sandbach and Lymm are both very good examples, both doing very well at level 5 plus 4 regular senior sides and probably 2 of the best clubs for mini & juniors. More clubs will follow their example and keep pushing up the leagues and replacing the big spenders.

I'm sure there are many others but those are 2 I know well and always look out for, hopefully we will see many more doing it like them.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 09:32
I hope and expect that in the long term, it is clubs that do things right that will end up at the top. Buying your way there can only ever be a short term route and will need to be supplanted by strong infrastructure before long.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 11:58
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I hope and expect that in the long term, it is clubs that do things right that will end up at the top. Buying your way there can only ever be a short term route and will need to be supplanted by strong infrastructure before long.

I'd like to think so but Saracens 45m+ in debt?

Maybe you will be correct when the truth is out, the trophies removed from the record and the South African owners have run away.

I can dream can't I?

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 12:24
Sarries are an interesting study. They clearly splashed the cash, but in doing so they have also build some good foundations of culture, homegrown players and of course, a new fit for purpose stadium. Not yet enough to allow them to recoup the cash, but I'd argue strongly they've done a lot of things right.

The buying a winning team was probably essential to enable them to put the foundations of being a much bigger club in place. Had they tried Sale's approach they would have failed dismally as they simply dont have the catchment area of players and fans to do it that way.

Regardless, if the owner was/is willing to write off the 'investment' you may as well spend.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 12:49
PLEASE let's not generate any suggestion of "holier than thou!"
We shouldn't forget that when BK passed on the poisoned chalice that is S.S. he wrote off his "investment" in the club and removed ?23M+ dept from the club's books.

I just wonder in retrospect whether BK thinks he got it correct. Both clubs were in the same ball-park in terms of supporter numbers 10 years ago, both languishing in the lower half of the attendance table.
This year it's somewhat different. Albeit the London double-header disproportionately distorts the picture at this time of year.
...and we are all well aware of the relative levels of success on the field.

I am pretty sure which investment would appear more productive to the non-partisan observer.

...and i don't think it will help the game long term at all. No doubt one of supporters of the 'super clubs' in the Football Premiership would say there is little wrong with it either but they increasingly lose contact with the rest of their league nad their supporters.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 12:59
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MartWhit
Sarries are an interesting study. They clearly splashed the cash, but in doing so they have also build some good foundations of culture, homegrown players and of course, a new fit for purpose stadium. Not yet enough to allow them to recoup the cash, but I'd argue strongly they've done a lot of things right.
The buying a winning team was probably essential to enable them to put the foundations of being a much bigger club in place. Had they tried Sale's approach they would have failed dismally as they simply dont have the catchment area of players and fans to do it that way.

Regardless, if the owner was/is willing to write off the 'investment' you may as well spend.

But all built on cheating the salary cap and corrupting the division.

I'd rather the Sale way than the Saracens way any day of the week.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 13:21
Sarries management would indicate that they practice the equivalent of "tax avoidance".i.e they exploit loopholes.
When Sale last tried to come came close to spending the salary cap I am lead to believe they forgot to allow for retrospective player "image rights" in their calculations and were (privately) rapped on the knuckles for, in effect, the equivalent of "tax evasion"!
The SS financial director then left the organisation. Two other clubs were also similarly found to have transgressed and got similar suspended penalties. (Not sure if one of them was Sarries) All kept private of course.

The 'Sale way' hasn't been built on the foundations of "choice": it's been built on the rocky shores of necessity and inability!



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 14:33
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H's Dad...
Sarries management would indicate that they practice the equivalent of "tax avoidance".i.e they exploit loopholes.
When Sale last tried to come came close to spending the salary cap I am lead to believe they forgot to allow for retrospective player "image rights" in their calculations and were (privately) rapped on the knuckles for, in effect, the equivalent of "tax evasion"!
The SS financial director then left the organisation. Two other clubs were also similarly found to have transgressed and got similar suspended penalties. (Not sure if one of them was Sarries) All kept private of course.

The 'Sale way' hasn't been built on the foundations of "choice": it's been built on the rocky shores of necessity and inability!

Two points. Firstly Saracens management would say that wouldn't they? (And that doesn't explain why they made "settlement payments" and legal threats).

Secondly, I'm still happy with the "Sale way" and prefer to believe that even if they had the money they wouldn't flagrantly abuse the salary cap.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 14:54
they probably wouldnt. But they have the advantage fo a wonderful clubs and schools network in the region to drive recruitment. Sarries really dont.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 15:50
It's hardly flagrant: if it was the RFU would be able to prove guilt and take action!
Most evidence is circumstantial.
Sale would sign several world class players if they were able to do so (we've been trying to do so since Simon Orange took over).....like other sportsmen those players only want to join very successful teams with a good chance of Premiership titles and European Cup wins.

We really should accept the fact that a top player will probably play for a top Premiership side for significantly lower remuneration than playing for Sale.
That's not suggesting the rules aren't being broken to some degree (in principle rather than technically) but no-one has the evidence to prove it in court.
If the RFU have enough evidence but are worried about being sued in a civil court, then logically, there really is no salary cap.

'i prefer to think Sale wouldn't do it' (given the opportunity and finances) is about as much evidence that we have for any sanctimony!
I seem to remember Dimes found a nice loophole re. preventing scrum penalties/penalty tries and took advantage of it whilst he could. Notably at Bath a season or two back.



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Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 16:11
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H's Dad...
It's hardly flagrant: if it was the RFU would be able to prove guilt and take action!

Well that would be an interesting development especially as they don't run the Premiership!

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 16:34
(Sm6)
IMHO they are the only ones who might, if only to take back control of policing of the Premiership.... for the sake of the game as it's suffering increasingly clear marked disrepute.
The current debacle involves complete self-interest with Premier Rugby Limited keeping everything secret and declining to impose any sort of cap wrt any club that can exploit loopholes/and/or threaten legal action.

 
Re: How did your Club do this week ?
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
15 November, 2017 17:06
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H's Dad...
(Sm6) IMHO they are the only ones who might, if only to take back control of policing of the Premiership.... for the sake of the game as it's suffering increasingly clear marked disrepute.
The current debacle involves complete self-interest with Premier Rugby Limited keeping everything secret and declining to impose any sort of cap wrt any club that can exploit loopholes/and/or threaten legal action.

Well I wouldn't hold your breath as the RFU don't even seem able to run the RFU.

But as before, I can dream!

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