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It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
1972shark (IP Logged)
11 September, 2017 19:28
After five years at The AJ Bell, it's time to move, the project has just not worked..... But where to go, and in what time frame? The current set up has gone from bad to slightly less bad since 2012, and as a season ticket holder since 2008 I've had enough.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
11 September, 2017 19:36
Half past seven - that's a bit late in the day?



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:13
Since we know the club are negotiating over the AJB, and have said they will move if they cant purchase, its appropriate to ask what are the realistic sites for a new stadium?

In my own view, it would be a waste of being a manchester club, and having a rich array of public transport, to not embed a new stadium in an urban area with strong public transport links. In fact it would be insanity to do anything else. That would just be repeating the AJB mistake and hoping for a different outcome.

Are any existing facilities viable for a share?

Edgeley Park?
a step too far? can it be developed with sufficient money? I remember some issues with compulsory purchase of some houses as a change of pitch direction was required

The Etihad Campus?
Not neccesarily home turf, but I think we can (need ot be) be mature enough to be Manchester and not Cheshire. Access and facilities ok. Less useful for core supporters wishing to drive from South of Manchester

Moss Lane Altrincham?
Possibly space constrained, but Rail & Metrolink links. Sits comfortably in traditional Sale catchment area.

Heywood Road?
No idea whether sufficient expansion is possible with the right funds available? What happens to Sale FC?

All these seem to me to have adequate transport infrastructure and would allow a good social scene in the stadium environs. Supporters could really arrive early and 'warm up'.

Any others?
I dont think I'd favour any more distant moves a la the Boundary Park game from a few years ago

For newbuild sites:

Crossford bridge has often been mentioned. what are the planning issues. It has Metrolink and good road access but probably constrained space for parking. I think the road access would still get congested anytime we had a decent crowd

any others?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
2007dwain (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:22
As much as I'd love a return to edgeley park it would need some serious redevelopment

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:25
of course.

But now we have the backer willing to finance it and with property experience on the board.

Is it viable is the question I hope.

If its a good facility I'm assuming we can afford to build it.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
13 September, 2017 14:32
A return to EP is out of the question and will never happen.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:38
because?

is it just relationships broken down?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MikeGC (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:42
As a lapsed supporter I really have no say in this matter.
That said there may be some supporters who were unable to attend the U20 World Cup games at the Etihad campus last summer. Access is fabulously simple as the campus is located on many bus routes and the tram system. Access from south Manchester is simple - free parking at East Didsbury tram terminus and a 4 return tram ticket (a change of tram is needed)

Personally I'd be surprised if the franchise moved but if they do and if they play on Sunday I will be buying a season ticket



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
clutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:56
Because it's a dreadful dump with memories of mostly dreadful rugby with a poor view due to massive girders.
Realise that rugby related stadia considerations are secondary but we have moved on from there. I'd quite like a new place to visit but not there.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
13 September, 2017 14:59
Quote:
MartWhit
because?
is it just relationships broken down?

It's a question of who owns what and how much they want for it.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 15:35
I think the clubs strategy (yes, I think they might have one for this!!) is to purchase the A.J.Bell and from then on have access to the match-day (non ticket) spends as well and push ahead with improvements on many fronts not to mention making it more of a home. Certainly a cheaper option and with out doubt. Quicker than acquiring land, planning permission and construction that would be years away.

Apparently a major retailer is looking to build near the stadium too. Would this pave the way for more car parking spaces?

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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
northman (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:09
i believe the club carried out Due Diligence on the Belle Vue stadium when it looked as though the Ace's were going out of business,however it was deemed that the site was to small to build a stadium with the minimum capacity requirements

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:22
Etihad campus: The capacity of the secondary stadium does not meet premiership requirements, and City's owners are in no need of our cash. It's therefore a complete non-starter. I should also mention that having lived about a mile away for 3 years that traffic through central Manchester on game days is not great for those arriving from the South and West.

Heywood road: I believe that we were contravening rules with the temporary stand that was far from temporary and took the capacity to 5678. This was due to the limited fire escape routes from the ground. Therefore any expansion would not be possible.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
iBozz (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:22
SFC at Heywood Road doesn't have the space to expand and the limited access to the actual ground (Heywood Road and Whitehall Road, neither of which can be enlarged) and lack of nearby off-street parking would preclude large crowds.

It's near Brooklands Metro Station and I seem to recall seeing a public bus pass by once - or maybe I was hallucinating that I was seeing a No 67!



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
jaytom (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:26
A return to EP would be great! Yes, there would need to be some serious development, but getting to it is a piece of cake, and the fact that there are so many local food outlets and pubs made for a great pre- and post- match atmosphere.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:28
'It's a question of who owns what and how much they want for it'
Edgeley Park is owned by Stockport MBC.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:32
I would never attend again if we moved back to EP.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:35
I would never attend again if we moved back to EP.
Even if it was redeveloped and brought up to modern standards?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
andyrobo1811 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:02
I always thought the toy r us site in Ancoats would be ideal. That shopping centre is ready to be knocked down and has for years. It is a massive site with the car park out front and delivery bits behind.

Not 100% sure a stadium would fit but would be an amazing city centre site 5 mins from Picc and 10-15 mins from Victoria.

That would really get casual fans into the ground as people could walk into town after.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:06
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andyrobo1811
I always thought the toy r us site in Ancoats would be ideal. That shopping centre is ready to be knocked down and has for years. It is a massive site with the car park out front and delivery bits behind.
Not 100% sure a stadium would fit but would be an amazing city centre site 5 mins from Picc and 10-15 mins from Victoria.

That would really get casual fans into the ground as people could walk into town after.

Rumoured this site will be an Asda when eastlands Asda is turned in to a casino

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:10
I'm a bit fed up with suggesting it, the University grounds at Wythenshawe...

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:32
Quote:
emerging shark
I'm a bit fed up with suggesting it, the University grounds at Wythenshawe...
What makes you think they may be an option?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
andyrobo1811 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:33
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M5 Shark
Quote:
andyrobo1811
I always thought the toy r us site in Ancoats would be ideal. That shopping centre is ready to be knocked down and has for years. It is a massive site with the car park out front and delivery bits behind.
Not 100% sure a stadium would fit but would be an amazing city centre site 5 mins from Picc and 10-15 mins from Victoria.

That would really get casual fans into the ground as people could walk into town after.

Rumoured this site will be an Asda when eastlands Asda is turned in to a casino

That's a shame. Thought it would be an ideal site! Maybe they should try and nip in before them!!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:35
Quote:
emerging shark
I would never attend again if we moved back to EP. Even if it was redeveloped and brought up to modern standards?

To do that you would need to demolish and rebuild at least 3 of the stands, and the Cheadle end whilst decent is a long way back from the action compared to modern stadia. I imagine this would actually cost more than building from scratch, and that's without considering the council won't go for it, the issues of sharing with county, and the hostility of some local residents plus associated incidents of car theft/damage...

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:41
A brand new site will take a long while to develop. I know other threads have talked about long term strategies, but we need a short term strategy with regards the stadium.
Which existing grounds in the greater Manchester are suitable for prem rugby?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:41
Having lived in a flat overlooking the Ancoats site I don't think it would be big enough to be honest. It's also bounded on 2 sides by canals and the inner ring road. If it did fit then I don't think there'd be any parking room although there are plenty of car parks nearby.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:46
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M5 Shark
A brand new site will take a long while to develop. I know other threads have talked about long term strategies, but we need a short term strategy with regards the stadium.
Which existing grounds in the greater Manchester are suitable for prem rugby?
Before we moved to the AJB we played a 'home' game against LI at what was the the Reebok in Bolton. If my memory serves, the club gave away/subsidised a lot of tickets but there was a crowd of around 12k there I think. It's a good modern stadium but again suffers from some of the issues of several out of town grounds



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:49
What about developing on turn moss playing fields?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
13 September, 2017 18:18
It was the Reebok game which gave the then owners the idea that there was unsatisfied RU support in the north Manchester/Bolton/Wigan area. So far it hasn't turned up.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 18:59
I always wish we could turn the clock back on our involvement with County & E.P. It could have and should have been a marriage made in heaven, two sporting establishments in the South Manchester/Cheshire area who could share the same venue, couldn't be more perfect....... but it wasn't to be. I always rue our involvement with County in as much we/Brian Kennedy bought them. Returning to E.P. would be a disaster, our name is dirt in Stockport and I fear we'd not be welcome.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 19:01
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Mrs Trellis of North Wales
It was the Reebok game which gave the then owners the idea that there was unsatisfied RU support in the north Manchester/Bolton/Wigan area. So far it hasn't turned up.

At least the macron stadium has train services right beside it 20 mins from City center, and in the future we could have shirts made by macron since they do rugby shirts too now.

It also has a carpark bigger than we'd ever need



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
13 September, 2017 19:07
It could have been worse than EP. Up to a few weeks before the start of the new season Gigg Lane, Bury was in the frame. The EP decision came out of the blue. As I understand it BK has to buy SCFC to get EP. No County no EP.

I think Bolton is too far for our fans in S Cheshire, Derbyshire, Staffs to make the last train home on Friday nights - which is essentially why they didn't come to Barton on Friday evenings.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 19:23
I believe you are correct Mrs T, also wasn't it an issue with the RFU/Prem. Rugby of playing at a ground you owned?? I might be wrong there....... If that was the case the rules must have changed as we're renting in Salford now.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 19:54
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Mrs Trellis of North Wales
It could have been worse than EP. Up to a few weeks before the start of the new season Gigg Lane, Bury was in the frame. The EP decision came out of the blue. As I understand it BK has to buy SCFC to get EP. No County no EP.
I think Bolton is too far for our fans in S Cheshire, Derbyshire, Staffs to make the last train home on Friday nights - which is essentially why they didn't come to Barton on Friday evenings.

So we would just be making things more accessible for the metropolitan fans to head out on a friday night then?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 21:07
What makes you think they may be an option?
Because it was looked at by Brian Kennedy before he moved to EP. An agreement in principal was reached but he baulked at the cost. Its close to a Metro station and easily accessible from J6 of the M60.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Peregrine (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 17:15
I've not posted for some time but I would just like to say that buy the AJ Bell, build another stadium or move which ever the match day experience needs to improve Sale will not get bigger crowds until someone makes some changes. The club has had 4 years to get it right and failed miserably nice stadium but no sole.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 17:19
Blimey, we have complaints about the beer, now it's lack of fish (Sm133)

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 17:23
Always liked a nice bit of fish and chips on match day. Normally go to the chippie opposite Eccles Tram stop, but maybe they could sponsor the twins and offer free curry sauce if they are both named in the match day team.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
ulsterlad (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 18:38
Quote:
andyrobo1811
I always thought the toy r us site in Ancoats would be ideal. That shopping centre is ready to be knocked down and has for years. It is a massive site with the car park out front and delivery bits behind.
Not 100% sure a stadium would fit but would be an amazing city centre site 5 mins from Picc and 10-15 mins from Victoria.

That would really get casual fans into the ground as people could walk into town after.

Ship has all ready sailed.

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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Hookers (IP Logged)
17 September, 2017 19:45
I would never go back to EP. We're not welcome there.
Possible ground share with Warrington at the Halliwell Jones or a new site are the only realistic options.
Actually, why don't we just stay where we are?? If you support the club you will find a way to get to the AJB whenever you can. #80mileroundtrip

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 08:04
Quote:
Hookers
I would never go back to EP. We're not welcome there.
Possible ground share with Warrington at the Halliwell Jones or a new site are the only realistic options.
Actually, why don't we just stay where we are?? If you support the club you will find a way to get to the AJB whenever you can. #80mileroundtrip

There is no chance of a return to EP. The reason a move should be considered is that the losses the franchise will make on gates of c. 4k will mean either they sell the business or they double the admission prices.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 09:53
E.P. is a complete non-starter. I agree with 'Hookers' we're just not welcome there.

Whilst there has been so many issues at the A.J.Bell, I can't believe at times we've been there 5 years and the road infrastructure is still a issue.
However, I think there is light at the end of the tunnel. The bridge will be open soon along with the connecting roads and for me we're better of staying put. Owning the stadium will be essential, this has to happen then we can hopefully turn it into more of a rugby ground experience as we'll have free hand to do anything we like.

Projects to turn land in he South Manchester/Cheshire area into a Stadium will take years, especially if there is local objection which there always are when such scheme's are proposed.

Move to another already built stadium?? could be even worse, Warrington, Bolton, Bury and the campus next to the Emptyhad are too far away from our support'base and have their own travel issues.

Best staying put and working with what we've got. We have to put roots down somewhere and not become nomadic.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
dandan2 (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 10:01
I now travel over 100 miles to home games. I got to about 9 or 10 last season including at least one of the preseason matches. I wasn't late once and I never missed s kick off, I always got parked. Come on get over where the stadium is, set off in plenty of time enjoy a pint or two before hand or sit in your car and eat your sandwiches if you get there early. It's once a fortnight, your going to something you love and enjoy for your own pleasure, stop mosning and enjoy and bring someone with you to share the experience!!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 10:06
Why don't you tell that to the 4,000 or so who don't come any more?

Everyone who posts on here knows the pros and cons of the AJB. Sale Sharks fans past & present are voting with their bums and no longer putting them on seats at the AJB.

I brought a newbie to the Glaws game last season. He isn't in any hurry to go again.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 10:43
When the new road and bridge are opened and any issues smoothed out the club I would hope will use this as a means of a big promotion/media fanfare that the old historical issues with access are now gone and access is easy. I'm sure they are holding off for now with any marketing campaign.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 10:51
As far as I can see the new road will move the pinch point from the M60 to the TC access roads. It will not affect those travelling from the west using the A57 & the airport etc. I'd guess these represent about half the current attendance.

The park at TC/walk to the ground is ok in the light and decent weather.

The park at TC/free (proper) shuttle to ground may bring in a couple of hundred.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
clutch (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 11:02
Not sure that's the grounds fault Mrs T. Wasn't that the game where Phillips ended up at 10. I wouldn't go back if I was a newbie either. Luck of the draw sometimes. My first game was a very close game v Tigers at Heywood road. I was hooked.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 11:08
The matchday experience is a combination of travel ease/stadium quality/atmosphere/performance/result.

Some games one factor makes up for another one. Obviously at EP travel ease more than made up for the stadium quality and the performances & results were great under PSA. When they weren't under KJ the attendance fell. When we moved to the AJB attendance has steadily fallen despite the stadium quality being better than EP. Imho the atmosphere was much better at EP, especially in the PSA era.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:12
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The matchday experience is a combination of travel ease/stadium quality/atmosphere/performance/result.
Some games one factor makes up for another one. Obviously at EP travel ease more than made up for the stadium quality and the performances & results were great under PSA. When they weren't under KJ the attendance fell. When we moved to the AJB attendance has steadily fallen despite the stadium quality being better than EP. Imho the atmosphere was much better at EP, especially in the PSA era.


Agree, the mood on this board since the winning game on Friday has mellowed significantly.

Atmosphere at E.P. Was better because there were approx. 8 -9k in attendance. I'd imagine the atmosphere at the A.J. Bell would be similar with comparable numbers attending.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:19
I agree with Mrs T on this occasion.

My final visit to EP was for a ritual and fairly meek thrashing by Saracens (50ish vs very few). However, I have nothing but fond memories of the evening and the result had little impact on whether I was likely to return. I had great company, it was a cold but dry evening, I had a few keenly priced pints of guinness in a pub near the ground, a couple more in the stadium bar underneath the main stand, where I had the pleasure of meeting on of the academy lads father's. There was some clinical rugby from one team at least. The crowd was healthily large and vocal. And after the match I was away to the train station in <10 minutes and in town and in a Northern quarter bar 30 mins later. Quality evening, no fuss and no gimmicks required.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Prop at Work (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:23
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Atmosphere at E.P. Was better because there were approx. 8 -9k in attendance.

Location, location, location.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:29
To follow that up, I've also enjoyed my visits to the AJB, but not quite the same.

I've never experienced the worst of the traffic chaos that some others have, but the entire experience is different and generally not for the better.

When contemplating how to make the most of the evening, the decision to go by car generally makes sense far above other means. Thus the pre and during match drinking is out of the window for at least one of your group. The driving experience, whilst usually OK, is always at least a little frustrating, with the motorway junction, the muddy approach or the car park queue always some kind of dampener.The lower crowds and more open stadium generate less atmosphere. The stadium has a feeling of them and us with corporates and others. The catering is limited and generally inefficient, mainly due to uninterested, largely untrained casual staff. And a sharp getaway is not at all guaranteed.

IMO the AJB is incapable of matching the experience we used to have at Heywood road or EP, regardless of what they do with it ultimately.

I think Sale need to embed themselves in an urban community with VERY proximal public transport. That is what I think Mancunians expect from their sports team. They get that at OT and the Etihad, also with most of the RL stadia, the velodrome, Belle vue stadium. Sharks wont compete unless/until they can match or join that party.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:30
Once the road is sorted out plus maybe a tram line extended I'm sure the stadium will be the long term home - however in the spirit of joining in "where else" - someone earlier mentioned Altrincham FC which I thought was a good shout

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 12:42
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however in the spirit of joining in "where else" - someone earlier mentioned Altrincham FC which I thought was a good shout

No chance Moss Lane would ever meet minimum Premiership ground requirements.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 12:47
Interesting that the RL attendance at the AJB - a local stadium for local fans - is also very low.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 13:00
Can Moss lane be reasonably developed to premiership standard though?

If there is sufficient space then it has many of the other characteristics required to be a good home.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
18 September, 2017 13:13
Moss Lane is a long way from Macc and Macc is a longish way from iBozz Towers.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 13:37
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Once the road is sorted out plus maybe a tram line extended I'm sure the stadium will be the long term home - however in the spirit of joining in "where else" - someone earlier mentioned Altrincham FC which I thought was a good shout

Have you ever been to Moss Lane ?! An absolute non starter as it's a complete ramshackle of a ground. The entire stadium would have to be raised to the ground and with it's current position there's no room for expansion. However, if Trafford Borough Council would let a bit of the golf course be built on.........

Shame really, Alty F.C. Is a stones throw from my house.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 13:44
No, it only holds 6,000 and backs onto residential streets. It has minimal seating of just over 1,000.

Moss Lane has as much potential as Heywood Road as a ground

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 14:00
surely if some of the allotment land can be acquired??

No site is going to be 100% ready right now. Some investment sof time and money is going to be required.

If planning and space are not a problem, the actual cost of building stands etc is surely in scope.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 14:12
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surely if some of the allotment land can be acquired??

Take a look at the ground on google maps.
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Having gone there most recently last season I'd say all 4 stands are inadequate for a Premiership rugby ground and there is no parking. So you'd have to buy all the allotments (are they even available?... there tends to be quite a scrap if someone tries to sell an allotment off) which is the only land to expand, probably turn the stadium round 180 degrees and rebuild it from scratch. That would be the only way to get a 12,000 stadium and parking in that space and even then there would be minimal parking. Good luck getting that pushed through Trafford Council.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Griff (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 14:16
Irish fan in peace. I'd never been to the AJB before - I'd managed EP and the Reebok before but I'd heard awful things about the current set-up and never felt the need to visit. My folks live on the Wirral though and a couple of weeks my dad expressed an interest in watching the Irish game at Sale so I came-up for a visit this weekend.

Having bashed the details into Google Maps I added a load of time onto the estimated journey time and we set-off in good time - I was expecting awful traffic... but we sailed in, beating Google's estimate and making it 90 minutes early! Now, given the level of road works that is pretty good - and I assume the A57 improvements will be done at some point at which point I reckon you might have one of the easiest car-accessible stadia in the AP. Obviously closed to k.o. it's going to get more sticky but I do think you're possibly putting people off with the horror stories. I realize that had we not left massively early the traffic would've been worse.

The stadium itself is a lot nicer than I was expecting, believe me when I say Irish would kill for a nice little set-up like that adjacent to a main road and a load of motorways - obviously it'd have to be in West London but what you have is actually really desirable and the scope for improvements with all that spare land around you...!?

So, I gather public transport links aren't great - that'd be the first thing I'd be working-on if I were in the Sharks' management team. Surely you can run a few shuttle-buses? Irish ran a scheme a few years back that linked-in to various pubs where you could buy tickets and get a free bus from/to the boozer - it never fitted me but I'd have thought that sort of scheme could really get you some traction.

Leaving was relatively pain-free, a bit of a queue, and if the crowd had been larger that would obviously get worse but with the main-road exit you can shift a lot of cars post-match, ask Saints if they'd like that!

My folks are talking about picking a couple of games and coming along, they had a really good time!

So, my message would be make the AJB work it has a lot going for it.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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18 September, 2017 14:20
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... set off in plenty of time ...

That's fine if you have the flexibility, but not otherwise.

It is not not always possible for those with jobs, Carers, those with family commitments or those retired but who still have other commitments.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
clutch (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 14:24
Griff. Interesting response. You've been put off by hearing bad things about it which appear to have been massively exaggerated. Understandable but it's a shame that some of the ott comments because people are obsessed with drinking can have a knock on impact on potential new fans.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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18 September, 2017 15:20
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Once the road is sorted out plus maybe a tram line extended I'm sure the stadium will be the long term home - however in the spirit of joining in "where else" - someone earlier mentioned Altrincham FC which I thought was a good shout

Have you ever been to Moss Lane ?! An absolute non starter as it's a complete ramshackle of a ground. The entire stadium would have to be raised to the ground and with it's current position there's no room for expansion. However, if Trafford Borough Council would let a bit of the golf course be built on.........

Shame really, Alty F.C. Is a stones throw from my house.

I just worked out I last went I think 1987 or 1988 - seemed OK then!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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18 September, 2017 15:30
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Griff. Interesting response. You've been put off by hearing bad things about it which appear to have been massively exaggerated. Understandable but it's a shame that some of the ott comments because people are obsessed with drinking can have a knock on impact on potential new fans.

clutch, there has always been a drinking culture around rugby. Nobody is trying to reinvent the wheel here and for many people having a social drink with mates is an important reason to attend rugby. Might not be your consideration but it does rank quite highly for others and in a customer service environment you have to give people what they want or they don't give you their business. I'd hazard a guess that most people actually obsessed by drinking would simply watch in the pub, a much easier drinking environment. I presume some of that comment was aimed at my posts. Over the last 5 years I've taken unpaid time off work to attend fans meetings at the AJ Bell to discuss improving the match day experience and had email correspondence with the club so this isn't something I'm ranting about from my armchair without reason.You'll have to therefore forgive me if it grates that at the start of the 6th season the same employee and Head of Customer Service I've conversed with over the previous 5 seasons is now going to 'ask about the real ale options' after 2 matches. It isn't rocket science and it should have been discussed over the summer. And there were discussions about catering over the summer as a player's new business venture coffee concession has made its way into the concourse. Still better late than never and I look forward to hearing if the discussions lead to restoring the facility we had last season.

As for traffic issues I think if you read back over posts you'll find that the overwhelming message this forum gives out is that there have been improvements in the ease and time it takes to drive to the ground from the early days when so many were alienated by the utter chaos. There hasn't been any real effort for shuttle buses etc and that is a fair reflection on what is discussed here.

Sorry for going off the op topic.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Timpers (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 16:03
Or Stretford Meadows, or Turn Moss, although all 3 may be a pit damp and need raft foundations, just to keep afloat.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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18 September, 2017 16:12
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Great location just off the M60 with good tram and bus connections but would have next to no parking. Owned by Trafford Council who have obligations to Sale Harriers athletics, Sale United junior football club etc who use the site. With the high level of usage by a number of junior sides I'm not sure Trafford would see it as the best site to sell to Sale.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
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18 September, 2017 18:44
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surely if some of the allotment land can be acquired??

Take a look at the ground on google maps.
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Having gone there most recently last season I'd say all 4 stands are inadequate for a Premiership rugby ground and there is no parking. So you'd have to buy all the allotments (are they even available?... there tends to be quite a scrap if someone tries to sell an allotment off) which is the only land to expand, probably turn the stadium round 180 degrees and rebuild it from scratch. That would be the only way to get a 12,000 stadium and parking in that space and even then there would be minimal parking. Good luck getting that pushed through Trafford Council.

You'd have more chance building on the gardens of Buckingham Palace than building on allotments!! (Sm6) I think such restrictions date back to WW2.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Hookers (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 21:45
OK,

1: Edgeley Park - Stockport

The ground was inadequate for Premiership Rugby, the club were being fined due to the facilities being sub standard. Due to the reservoirs behind the ground and the ownership of some of the required land redevelopment was never going to happen.
Also BK's dealing with SCFC and the over-reaction of (some of) their supporters means that our welcome in that town is pretty much worn out.
Yes it was good for public transport, but driving was a nightmare.
CONCLUSION: WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO EP.

2: Altrincham Town FC - Altrincham.

As it stands this would be a bigger step backwards than returning to EP.
Re-development would be difficult due to space constraints, also (as noted by HaleShark) there has been legislation around developing on these sites for years.
Also, would they really want to sell to us? Altrincham Town certainly don't need a new ground any time soon.
Public transport links are good, but heading into Altrincham on Friday rush hour is probably worse than where we are now.
CONCLUSION: TOO SMALL, CAN'T BE REALISTICALLY DEVELOPED, TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE.

3: The Etihad Campus

It has a lot of pro's. It's a new stadium, it's across the road from the Velopark metrolink stop and also not far from Ashbury's train station.
It does have some significant issues though, traffic on Friday nights would be horrific and you'd be having to rely on the Etihad Stadium car parking. We would also be at the mercy of MCFC home fixtures and to be honest MCFC don't need our money (as others have pointed out).
The final aspect is that it is too small and re-development of the stadium is something that I don't thinks Manchester City would be interested in (if a larger reserve stadium was a priority they'd have built bigger to begin with!)
CONCLUSION: TOO SMALL, MCFC DON'T NEED US.

4: Crossford Bridge Playing Fields - Sale

When this has been discussed on here before I had a look on Google Earth and this is a site that I was instantly drawn to before anyone mentioned it on here.
It would mean a return to our traditional home in Sale (almost!) and there is plenty of land to develop on. The transport links shouldn't be too much of an issue either, next to Dane Road Metrolink and just off the M60 and the A56. The only issue with transport would be if you are traveling in from the West where you would have similar issues to playing in Alty.
If an agreement could be reached to buy the land we could be in the situation of having to provide accommodation for the athletics club and Sale United. This would negate the size of the plot by having to provide a fair few community pitches.
CONCLUSION: NOT LIKELY TO GET A DEAL, WOULD WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING AKIN TO ALLIANZ PARK?

5: The AJ Bell Stadium - Barton

What can I say? The Stadium itself is no different than many of the other stadia of similar capacity. Yes there are issues, but I don't think it's anything that couldn't be fixed or be an issue elsewhere. Maybe if the club owned the ground options and facilities at the stadium would improve as it would be part of our brand, whereas at the moment it's the stadium company who don't have that direct link with the brand.
In terms of transport it is not great at present on public transport and driving depends on where you're coming from. But, the Metrolink is intended to eventually come out to the stadium which will be a big help and the new road / bridge will help as well.
There is plenty of options for improving the AJB and I think that by the time a new stadium would be completed many of the improvements at the AJB could be achieved.
CONCLUSION: WE'RE ALREADY THERE, WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPMENTS BRING

So no matter which option is eventually chosen by the club, there are issues at all of the sites that have been mentioned on this thread. I've had a look around on Google Earth at where could you even look to buy some land and develop a stadium, but most of the ones that would tick every box could never be brought for our purposes and those that possibly could are in a worse position than we are now!

Personally I'd like to look at Moor Park Sportsfields in Parrs Wood.
It's not far from East Didsbury train station, or East Didsbury Metrolink. It's also right next to the M56/M60 junction and the A34.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
18 September, 2017 21:58
Personally I'd like to look at Moor Park Sportsfields in Parrs Wood.
I presume you are talking about the piece of land to the south of the Mersey opposite the Galleon?
No chance at all, it on flood plain and there would be only one access off Manchester Road. Never get planning permission.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Bull Shark (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 09:44
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OK,
Also, would they really want to sell to us? Altrincham Town certainly don't need a new ground any time soon.

Alty are tennants on a long term lease at Moss Lane. The devil would be in the wording of that lease which was extended only a few years ago for 80 years and would mean at the very least a ground share.
For me it is a no go due to the lack of redevelopment potential.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
mattw7787 (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 09:44
Another suggestion to throw in: There's some vacant land immediately east of Atlas Business Park and south west of the junction of Styal Rd and Simonsway, close to the airport. The land is on the market. It's a few hundred meters from both tram (Peel Hall) and train (Heald Green) stations and is relatively accessible by car from M56 via the Airport spur and Ringway Rd. Not only that, the extensive parking at the adjacent business park would be unused when we'd like to use it. Views welcome...

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Tigger (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 10:06
Out of interest what are peoples wish list for a stadium?

Access - car stadium parking
Access - car local free parking
Access - car local secure paid parking
Access - train (within 5/10 minutes walk of ground)
Access - tram (within 5/10 minutes walk of ground)
Access - bus (within 5/10 minutes walk of ground)
Stadium - views
Stadium - alcohol
Stadium - food
Stadium - local amenities (pubs food etc within 5/10 minutes walk of ground)

Add as you wish...

Also how about layout? I like the layout of the AJ Bell but would you want a terrace aka the Old Birtles (except with a proper roof...and toilets winking smiley )

I don't think a move would be the best solution at this point. It would take at least two years most likely 3 to 4 depending on access and site. In that time the bridge will (should) be open and the trams will (should) be stopping at the Trafford center...if this does happen, and the motorway junction is improved, doesn't it make a move redundant? As I have said before just because we move to a new location does not necessarily mean that we wont have problems and issues at the new stadium that could take a few years to sort out...especially if we move in a hurry.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 11:40
I think any Shark stadium should aim to be attract, process, accommodate and sustain around 12,000 people. Big screen replays are a prerequisite these days. The stadium does need to be able to make food onsite, otherwise its offering will be very limited. However, I dont think you can be prescriptive ahead of time what should and shouldnt be provided in what quantities; its a case of having the flexibility in the infrastructure to respond to customer needs as the become clear.

At least 2/3 of fans should voluntarily choose to arrive by public transport (likely tram plus rail is possible), it being the most convenient mechanism for fans located in the area.

There should be sufficient access and parking for the remainder. Stadium parking (at cost) is best, but theres nothing wrong with nearby local parking so long as shuttle are provided.

I think having amenities outside the ground is a major plus. It not only offers more choice to the fan, it also stops the stadium offering being complacent and overpriced and helps to stagger arrivals at the ground to improve speed of entry. Also, it simply provides a feeling of being somewhere and being part of a community.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
19 September, 2017 11:55
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surely if some of the allotment land can be acquired??

Then my missus would be round your place sharpish with a deftly-wielded trowel...



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 12:20
How about moving to Coventry? It seems to have worked for Wasps!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Stopsy (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 12:45
Sandbach..

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 13:43
Stoke?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Historyman (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 13:51
Rather than move stadium, surely a long-term project, why not move the start time of the Friday evening game? A start ay 8pm means the game finishes so late that I miss the bus back to Eccles and consequently the train from central Manchester home (near the Pennines). The 7.45pm start is scarcely any better. Not only do I have to miss the end of the game, given the slightest delay during the game, I cannot stay around for a chat and a pint afterwards. I don't mind the 2-hour and more slog to get to the ground, but I would like to get home without having to resort to a taxi or wait for a night bus!
Would an earlier start affect those using cars so much? The traffic seems solid on the motorway still at 8pm?
I note the game wasn't televised last Friday, so not the choice of BT.
Even at EP, with better public transport access, the game started at 7.30pm. Why not try 7pm and see how many more public transport users arrive?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 14:15
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Rather than move stadium, surely a long-term project, why not move the start time of the Friday evening game? A start ay 8pm means the game finishes so late that I miss the bus back to Eccles and consequently the train from central Manchester home (near the Pennines). The 7.45pm start is scarcely any better. Not only do I have to miss the end of the game, given the slightest delay during the game, I cannot stay around for a chat and a pint afterwards. I don't mind the 2-hour and more slog to get to the ground, but I would like to get home without having to resort to a taxi or wait for a night bus!
Would an earlier start affect those using cars so much? The traffic seems solid on the motorway still at 8pm?
I note the game wasn't televised last Friday, so not the choice of BT.
Even at EP, with better public transport access, the game started at 7.30pm. Why not try 7pm and see how many more public transport users arrive?

I think Friday fixtures can't start that early. At least we din't persevere with the 8.15 kick off for non televised games like we had last year.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
iBozz (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 15:32
A 7:00pm start, History, would not only inconvenience those who work during the day and who cannot leave early or who wish to go home to collect family members but would put our AJB bound traffic on the M60 and other roads at rush hour.

Friday may be POETS Day for some, but certainly not all.

Both starting early and finishing late will inconvenience some, alas.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Crutch (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 15:33
There are many who could struggle to get there in time for 7. If I leave at 5, get home for 6 and turn around in 5 mins, that would give me 55 mins to get there which is doable, but only if I definitely leave at 5. Any later and I'd be missing the game.

The overall problem is that the time is just too squeezed on a Friday with no kick off time suiting enough people.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
clutch (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 16:38
The longer we play in daylight the better the rugby so I'm up for that. Then again I finish work at 2 on a Friday!! I vote for 4pm kick off as it gets rid of my Friday night issue. There will only be 35 people there though!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Historyman (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 19:59
POETS day? If only! Its not as if it were every Friday even if one did try and leave early. I really wondered what would happen if it was possible for the scheduled finish time to be slightly earlier and if 7.30 worked at EP for the start, why not at AJB? If locals aren't walking up after their tea, maybe more would come from the east side if they were sure of seeing the games to the end and being able to get public transport home. But I guess the powers that be have modelled it and taken their advice and life is what it is.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
emerging shark (IP Logged)
19 September, 2017 20:54
Most of us are poets but we don't know it...

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 16:11
Who in their right minds would fund a new stadium?

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MartWhit (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 16:19
the new owners if they have any istinct to take control of the offering and stop haemorraging money on a dead elephant at the AJB. They want to have somewhere where they can keep all the money spent, preferably 7 days a week.

IMO, current arrangements are leading to a slow, painful but almost inevitable collapse.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
FarnhamShark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 16:26
A 7pm start might lose us at least one of the Away fans, or even both of them!

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
HaleShark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 16:39
7pm start ?!?!?!?!?! you must be joking, complete non starter. For our stadium it has to be an 8pm kick off if we're playing on a Friday night.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 16:56
IMHO, that isn't financially viable Martwhit!
The generally accepted figure for the building cost of a new stadium is around 6,000 per spectator.
That does not include the cost of the site and any local infrastructure car parking etc.

If the minimum capacity permitted by the RFU is still 10,000, thats an absolute minimum of 60 million plus the cost of the land, which could easily add another 20M.

However I doubt anyone wouldn't want to have more leeway in spare capacity, if only to try and tempt another tenant, so a 20K+ capacity stadium would be far more likely.

That, of course, would put the build cost per current supporter well in to 5 figures.
Something around 25K-30K, each.
Even with a second tenant and a low interest rate the maths simply doesn't add up. .
The club would immediately double it's ongoing losses to well over 4M a year and would probably need capacity crowds just to service the build cost debt. Let alone pay back capital or pay for the land.



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Tigger (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:40
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IMHO, that isn't financially viable Martwhit!
The generally accepted figure for the building cost of a new stadium is around 6,000 per spectator.
That does not include the cost of the site and any local infrastructure car parking etc.

If the minimum capacity permitted by the RFU is still 10,000, thats an absolute minimum of 60 million plus the cost of the land, which could easily add another 20M.

However I doubt anyone wouldn't want to have more leeway in spare capacity, if only to try and tempt another tenant, so a 20K+ capacity stadium would be far more likely.

That, of course, would put the build cost per current supporter well in to 5 figures.
Something around 25K-30K, each.
Even with a second tenant and a low interest rate the maths simply doesn't add up. .
The club would immediately double it's ongoing losses to well over 4M a year and would probably need capacity crowds just to service the build cost debt. Let alone pay back capital or pay for the land.



Sorry just to clarify are you saying it will cost 60 million pounds to build a stadium not including access roads/car parks and land?



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 17:46
Re: Metrolink, the TC extension is likely to be complete 2019 ish with the line ending at TC. Plans for a further extension to Port Salford and the stadium are planned although time scale will be many many years after 2019.

It was rumoured the new (and much anticipated saviour to all SS transport problems) bridge will already contain tram tracks on installation to avoid a rebuild in years to come. Not sure if this is still the case with the updated platform structure.

Journey time to TC by tram from city centre will probably be similar to the X50 bus which currently runs from Piccadilly Gardens. The new tram line is likely to run from TC to Crumpsall. There is also considerable planning apps in for Event City/Barton Sq car park areas which may affect exact farm config.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
ale shark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 18:05
Don't we have a break clause on the AJB after 5 years? (Or are we past that) Isn't talk of a move by the owners maybe just empty rhetoric to try and force a better deal.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
Tigger (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 20:04
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IMHO, that isn't financially viable Martwhit!
The generally accepted figure for the building cost of a new stadium is around 6,000 per spectator.
That does not include the cost of the site and any local infrastructure car parking etc.

If the minimum capacity permitted by the RFU is still 10,000, thats an absolute minimum of 60 million plus the cost of the land, which could easily add another 20M.

However I doubt anyone wouldn't want to have more leeway in spare capacity, if only to try and tempt another tenant, so a 20K+ capacity stadium would be far more likely.

That, of course, would put the build cost per current supporter well in to 5 figures.
Something around 25K-30K, each.
Even with a second tenant and a low interest rate the maths simply doesn't add up. .
The club would immediately double it's ongoing losses to well over 4M a year and would probably need capacity crowds just to service the build cost debt. Let alone pay back capital or pay for the land.



Sorry just to clarify are you saying it will cost 60 million pounds to build a stadium not including access roads/car parks and land?


And just out of interest the Halliwell Jones Stadium in Warrington(original) cost was 8 million and 12,000 capacity...and the ground was broken at the end of 2002...and the first game was played in early 2004...

And there was an adjacent development going on at the same time (Tesco).



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Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
ale shark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 20:29
I'm sure H's D will correct me but the AJB construction costs were around 26m, with 12,000 capacity that's 2,166 per head. I believe they've also future proofed the foundations to allow for expansion when we're selling 20,000 tickets a game.

Apparently the 10yr catering contract awarded to Azure was for 13million, that can't be right. Anyway, if you needed reminding, this is what they had to say when the deal was announced:

"Steven Reeve, general manager Azure, said: "From the very first match at their new ground, fans will be able to enjoy a range of high quality food and drink. We will also be launching a high quality hospitality offer to supporters in the 750 capacity main suite, the Presidential Suite and 12 executive boxes. "At Salford City Stadium it's the whole experience that matters, so we'll ensure that customers and fans alike enjoy a great range of quality food and premium customer service." Andy Orr, Salford City Stadium director added: "Azure really stood out from the competition thanks to their flexible approach to catering and their dedicated team. Their vision to work with us in growing our non-match day business is impressive and we're looking forward to working together over the next 10 years to turn our vision into reality."

We'll Steve - if you're still there we're waiting for the "great range of quality food and premium customer service" you promised.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
MikeGC (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 21:50
When discussing these things why does nobody ever mention Sunday afternoon games.
With an appropriate K.O. time coaches, referees and players (assuming children/young adults still play on Sunday afternoon) could all be available for attendance.
You get (mainly) daytime rugby and it doesn't impinge on parent/child attendance at mini/junior rugby or Sharks rugby.
It would be an interesting experiment if Sharks could run more than one occasional Sunday afternoon game.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
ale shark (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 21:56
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When discussing these things why does nobody ever mention Sunday afternoon games.

Zero corporates on a Sunday. Saturdays maybe, Sundays they're not interested.

 
Re: It's Time to Move to a New Stadium
bonnery (IP Logged)
21 September, 2017 23:22
The AJB IS better than it was. The changeable 2 lane/1 lane flow on the road HAS made a difference. That said, it's been a fair while since the roads were tested by a 10k attendance...when (IF!) that ever happens again we'll know just how much better it really is, if at all.

The more fundamental issue is simple business. An analogy would be - If I offered you a sweet you'd need very little persuasion to try it. If it tasted horrible I'd have to work much harder to convince you you'll like the taste this time and to try it again. After the 3rd awful tasting sweet no amount of persuasion would convince you to eat it.

We have served up too many awful experiences to too many people that I fear the club won't win those people back. And the cause of that lies with the people who decided to move to AJB without first ensuring the infrastructure was adequate. I agree that the AJB is a soul-less stadium. But the real soul of the club was the people...4-5000 of them we no longer see.

Remember the way Skoda re-invented themselves by acknowledging their reputation and using humour to turn it round.

When (ONLY WHEN) the infrastructure is in place, maybe there's a similar, light-hearted campaign the club could go for? (branding and marketing is my day job).

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