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Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
13 September, 2017 13:59
Sale Sharks vs London Irish
@ AJ Bell Stadium
Referee: Wayne Barnes
Assistant referees: Hamish Smales, Wayne Falla
TMO: Stuart Terheege



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Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:23
room for some wayne confusion on reflink this week.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
hilly07 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:43
First Time I used a ref link was with Barnes and it made me want to referee. You might not agree with him from the stands but he gives the players every opportunity to play the game in the right way on the field.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
clutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:51
Half the battle Hilly. Players have a lot of time for him from what you hear.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
ale shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 14:54
Wayne Barnes is one of the best referees in the world, we are lucky to have him officiating in our league.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
yukon (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 15:22
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hilly07
First Time I used a ref link was with Barnes and it made me want to referee. You might not agree with him from the stands but he gives the players every opportunity to play the game in the right way on the field.

I'll treat myself to Reflink on Friday now. I've always enjoyed the way Barnsey explains things on, for eg, Rugby tonight.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 15:37
wrt to his call on the Fotualii/Brits incident last weekend, what do posters think?
- for reference, Brits was penalised for obstruction. Whilst retreating from an offside position, Britz saw thew ball coming out and crouched to the ground to avoid the ball being passed by Fotuallii, Fotualii deliberately passed the ball into him in order to draw the penalty. And was given it by Mr Barnes.

Mr Barnes said words to the effect of "It may be a bad law, but its still the law of the game".

To me thats one interpretation.

Another would be to penalise Fotualii for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Either would have been a reasonable call by the ref IMO. Surely rugby laws are sufficently opaque that he has discretion to use his judgement here?

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Grumpy Old Shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:28
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ale shark
Wayne Barnes is one of the best referees in the world, we are lucky to have him officiating in our league.

IYHuO!

IMHuO

Barnes rarely comes to a match without preconceptions which means that he has little chance of being impartial

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:29
Not seen it but agree interpretation needs to be applied for that scenario.

If Brits were the tackler, had got up pretty quickly and was looking to move back onside but Bath got the ball out quickly then I'd say no pen.

If he was interfering with the ball release to slow play down, then dawdled in front of the nine as Newcastle repeatedly did, to obstruct him and then finally made a pretence of getting out of the way then it's clearly a penalty.

In the latter case though I'd have given a pen before the ball even came out. This is something we really struggled with opposition doing last year and really winds me up that refs aren't stronger on penalising it.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:31
wrt to his call on the Fotualii/Brits incident last weekend, what do posters think?
I am almost certain this has happened before and has been given as accidentally offside, scrum.By the look on his face I think Barnes might have regretted his decision but did not want to go back on it..



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Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
MartWhit (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:36
to Crutch:

Brits was offside, but DEFINITELY trying to avoid obstructing play. He was crouched almost flat on the ground. Fotualii's pass wouldnt have reached its Saints target even on the second bounce. It was deliberate to draw the Pen.

Brits was livid in a way I've never seen such an amiable man be.

IMO, Barnes made the wrong call to forego discretion. The offence by Fotualii was very akin to a dive in football. It shouldnt be encouraged and I believe the laws allow mr Barnes no to.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 16:55
Personally I reckon Mr Barnes should have turned a blind eye while Brits lamped Fotuali'i which would have sorted out the matter quite satisfactorily.

I also agree that Mr Barnes is an excellent referee .......... except at scrum time.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
13 September, 2017 17:20
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MartWhit
room for some wayne confusion on reflink this week.

Looks like I'll have to brush up on my French winking smiley



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Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:25
I'd have to see it, but as I said would depend what Brits was doing up to that point. If he had an opportunity to get inside but didn't take it then I have no sympathy even if he did duck.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Crutch (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 17:26
P.s. Was too despondent about the result to watch any highlights, let alone rewatch our game...

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
13 September, 2017 18:05
I thought it was gamesmanship. Many opportunities like this arise in the game but very few 9's go for the deliberate penalty. Having said that most front rows do the same at every scrum.

Barnes was half right - it's not a bad law it's an incomplete law. There should be a distinction between a motionless player in an offside position making a genuine attempt not to interfere with play and with an offside player interfering with play.



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Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
hilly07 (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 18:46

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
emerging shark (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 21:09
Dickson of Saints was a serial offender on this topic...

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Flumpty (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 22:11
Quote:
yukon
Quote:
hilly07
First Time I used a ref link was with Barnes and it made me want to referee. You might not agree with him from the stands but he gives the players every opportunity to play the game in the right way on the field.

I'll treat myself to Reflink on Friday now. I've always enjoyed the way Barnsey explains things on, for eg, Rugby tonight.

I'll be reflinking Flumpty Jnr and myself up as well.

His interaction with Andy Goode a couple of seasons ago at Newcastle was worth listening to !

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Yareet (IP Logged)
13 September, 2017 22:31
It's the rugby equivalent of mankading

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
snaderson (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 08:55
I'm pretty sure I've seen refs not give a penalty in that situation and scolding the scrum half for deliberately targetting the player. Not sure Barnsey's "it may be a bad law" was quite PC. Looking forward to listening in on his chat tomorrow.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
14 September, 2017 15:21
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snaderson
I'm pretty sure I've seen refs not give a penalty in that situation and scolding the scrum half for deliberately targetting the player. Not sure Barnsey's "it may be a bad law" was quite PC. Looking forward to listening in on his chat tomorrow.

I'm sure it wasn't PC and all the more credit to him for that!

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
Flumpty (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 00:10
Wayne Barnes and reflink worked well

It added to our night, listening to the interaction between the officials and the players.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
brilin (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 00:39
I thought that Barnes had a good game. Kept it flowing where possible and on the whole took the decisions that had to be taken!



The other 'arf

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
JB of Sale (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 00:57
Can anyone who had ref link explain why when London Irish brought our maul down at the try line resulting in a yellow it was just a penalty but when we did the same it was a penalty try please.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
hilly07 (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 06:17
He said he couldn't be sure it was going to be a try as there were defenders on the ball. Irish had a more secure setup when it went down.

 
Re: Wayne Barnes refs on Friday night
hilly07 (IP Logged)
16 September, 2017 07:03
Brief thoughts on using the ref link option

Barnes was way quieter than I remembered and expected. I think now the ruck laws have been tightened up it is rare for a team to be penalised in this area now, so bar the odd hands off now and you are now off your feet, it was very quiet.

A bit of banter worked, a bit didn't. The ref team were working hard on Irish and had two or three areas for them after each score. We were well on top and it showed in his manner when he spoke to our players.

During AJs first pen kick he asked Jones if it was ironic cheers when we won the first lineout. Didn't pick up the reply!

Nice to hear the way he spoke to the players during the hand shakes, he was very complementary about a clean fast game (he brought that up with his ARs when we threw in quick again in the fast opening section - "it's going to be a quick one tonight gents!").

And I hope he enjoyed the cup of tea he poured for himself when he got back to the changing room.... I can only assume that was what the sound of liquid I heard before the ref link was turned off!

Always interesting to hear the thought process through TMO. I still think the ref should be on the PA at this point, with at least the question to the TMO and the decision. Like American Football. I believe Rugby League might do something around this as well.


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