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Chickens coming home to roost?
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
28 September, 2017 22:52

 
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BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
28 September, 2017 23:26
No mention of who has been released. I'd take any of Myall, Gaskell, Dorian-Jones or Launchbury!

 
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PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 02:40
Launchbury would just about be last on my list of layers allowed to leave. (I sense he made your list out of forlorn hope). Good though they are Myall and Gaskell don't offer the qualities we need at the moment.


Wasps and the regulation formerly known as the salary cap have been done to death in the past, I have oft stated my opinion that they don't habitually break it. This could be viewed as a public attempt to increase the cap (what cap) further. The timing, linking with player welfare, well thought out in the current climate. (That's not to suggest that the welfare angle is inaccurate).



There is far too much talk about good ball and bad ball. In my opinion, good ball is when you have possession and bad ball is when the opposition have it." - R.I.P. Dickie Jeeps 25/11/1931 - 08/10/2016

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
Crutch (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 07:47
I agree that Wasps and Sarries are angling for an increase in the cap but the interesting question is why, given that it's been shown to be unenforceable in the past?!

I also agree that theyre within the rules since the large increase to the cap and marquee player exemption, however I think the clubs must have been told that any further breaches will be properly enforced and they're worried about that.

Otherwise I can't see why Wasps would be reducing the squad and Sarries saying they're worried about not retaining the young England players now.

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
ale shark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 08:18
Hang on a minute Dai Young - Aren't clubs like Wasps the reason for the escalating salaries? There's only a limited number of players and a limited number of clubs, the clubs should call the players bluff and cut wages, where else are the players going to find employment? They can't all play for the top paying 5-6 clubs in Europe, surely that dictates ďmarket value.Ē

There simply isnít the revenue in the game to pay wages across the board of +£200K. If squad players are starting to earn anywhere near £100K then the game will just die. Why would an employee seek long (or short) term employment with a loss-making organisation? I know I wouldnít.

Any comparisons with footballers are ludicrous and irrelevant, thatís a global industry in itself.

 
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StaffordShark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 08:21
Because if rugby players don't seek employment with loss making organisations then they are very limited to what rugby clubs they can play for.

 
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HaleShark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 09:35
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Hang on a minute Dai Young - Aren't clubs like Wasps the reason for the escalating salaries? There's only a limited number of players and a limited number of clubs, the clubs should call the players bluff and cut wages, where else are the players going to find employment? They can't all play for the top paying 5-6 clubs in Europe, surely that dictates ďmarket value.Ē
There simply isnít the revenue in the game to pay wages across the board of +£200K. If squad players are starting to earn anywhere near £100K then the game will just die. Why would an employee seek long (or short) term employment with a loss-making organisation? I know I wouldnít.

Any comparisons with footballers are ludicrous and irrelevant, thatís a global industry in itself.

Very true, I'm sure I read somewhere recently the average squad player in the Premiership earns £150K.

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
ale shark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 10:20
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Because if rugby players don't seek employment with loss making organisations then they are very limited to what rugby clubs they can play for.

But that's solely down to the employers giving them false hope, the vicious circle a small number of clubs have created and unrealistic expectations by the players. It's clubs like Wasps that have created this so for their director of rugby to raise it as an issue is imbecilic. Itís like shooting yourself in the foot then getting upset that it hurts, something SS specialise in.

If players like our back-up 9 and our traditional unselected 8 are getting paid around £100K (and Iím not saying they are, I have no idea) then good luck to them but itís going to wreck the line of business theyíre employed in. Not their fault but if no one is chasing their signatures then the market needs to adjust. Itís a tough job but so are many other lesser paid jobs which are significantly less rewarding.

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
29 September, 2017 10:41
In professional sport - and in many other areas - the market is skewed by income from other sources eg tv money or state taxpayer-funded subsidy.

Without tv money and relying solely on attendance money most professional sport would collapse as would the arts without state subsidy.

Even the super-rich like BK & Duckworth have withdrawn after huge losses - most of which has ended up in the players' & coaches' bank accounts.



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thekeg (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 11:07
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BasilBullneck
No mention of who has been released. I'd take any of Myall, Gaskell, Dorian-Jones or Launchbury!

I think he means trimmed for the start of the season, not trimmed right now.

 
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emerging shark (IP Logged)
29 September, 2017 16:23
the market is skewed by income from other sources eg tv money or state taxpayer-funded subsidy.
Mrs T I'm curious as to where the state taxpayer-funded income for Sale Sharks comes from? can you expand?

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
29 September, 2017 16:29
I was referring to "the other areas" eg the arts. It was poorly phrased. I suppose you could make an argument that some Sky & BT subscriptions are paid by the tax-payer via the benefits system but that's a long way round.



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Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
MartWhit (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 16:37
Its comforting to know that 2 sides as studded with stardust as Bath and Wasps, can serve up a stinker in perfectly acceptable daylight conditions.

 
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HaleShark (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 16:54
Not a great game and it looks like the wheel's come off in Coventry.

 
Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
01 October, 2017 17:01
Bath's back row of Mercer, Underhill & Faletau looks very useful.

Wasps have a big injury list and Hughes went off early.



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Re: Chickens coming home to roost?
isitme (IP Logged)
01 October, 2017 17:52
That back row played very well. Mercer looks a good prospect at 6.


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