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Sale v Exeter match thread
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 15:02
Looking forward to a good game tonight. Stadium info here [t.co]

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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Tigger (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 15:06
Good luck tonight! Wish I could be there...wont be able to follow online either..



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
hilly07 (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 16:08
Really looking forward to tonight. Good teams, Weather looks fine and the highest crowd of the season predicted!

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:09
Traffic absolutely unbearable tonight. Must be more people here!!

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:17
Not inside the ground. Very quiet here so far although the bridge looks very slow moving

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:20
We won't be there till Half way first half at the earliest!!

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
madders (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:25
BT Sport have just shown the traffic jam...

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
ashtonshark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:28
Turning round and going back to Ashton on Mersey to watch it on the TV. @#$%& ridiculous



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
C3Q (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 19:48
Just parked in Eccles. Nightmare.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:01
30 minutes with no score nd no penalties conceded, then Jennings gives away one of those inexplicably stupid ones. stepping into a runner after he has kicked,

0 - 3



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:05
Put pressure on chiefs from the kick off, two charge downs in quick succession, then a penalty from a scrum. Faf levels it

3 - 3



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
C3Q (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:11
HT 3-3

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:12
3 - 3 at half time.

Hardly a classic, yet 40 minutes seems to have flown by, particularly when you consider that basically nothing of note has happened.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
WithingtonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:12
I'm all for a grubber and a chip over the top but what are we on so far? About ten? Seems a bit predictable. Reasonable first half though, good to see WG John not looking phased

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:19
Good so far. Bit nervous when Will starts to try things thatís arenít really on...

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
HaleShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:21
We've been equal to the reigning champs in the first-half. very tight, but compelling to watch.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:25
Three road accidents according to Sale fan on Facebook causing the chaos. Ground looked really empty when the players ran out

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:32
Chiefs walk through ruck defence. For a try, converted

3 - 10



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:33
Hayley on for Jennings.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:35
Forwards getting mullered. Our championship Prop looking particularly knackered

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:39
We don't have any championship props. They all play in the premiership



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:41
We seem to look a bit clueless

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:45
Lucky penalty, we clearly knocked on in the tackle, but we'll take it. Faf knocks it over

6 - 10.

Hopefully a spark we have been a long way second best in second half.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
WithingtonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:45
What was that penalty for? I didn't understand that

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:46
Jones, Ioane and Nield on for Webber, Ross and Curry.

Not sure why we would take Ross off.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:49
That was for holding on in the tackle, which was right, but should have been playing knock on advantage to Exeter.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:52
Ref kind to us again, not calling advantage over when we kick, comes back for the scrum.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:58
ballsout will be chuffed. Flynn on for Harrison.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 20:59
Aulika on for John too



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:02
Nott for Strauss



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:07
We suddenly come to life. After a spell of kick Tennis James chips to himself. End up forcing penalty and yellow card just short of try line.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:10
All for naught give away another penalty when attacking.

Actually just seen it played back, looks a very harsh penalty against Jones.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
WithingtonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:13
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All for naught give away another penalty when attacking.
Actually just seen it played back, looks a very harsh penalty against Jones.

I was thinking the same about Jones. Really tough decision

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:13
No side

6 - 10

Really should have lost comfortably given Chiefs dominance in second half. But defence was very good. Could, perhaps should have nicked it at the end.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:14
Ah well. Fair result. Usual whole hearted effort for us. Didnít look like scoring, whenever webber doesnít throw in we look dodgy. Need to invest in front 5 ASAP else this season is already over

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:17
I agree we need investment in front 5, but don't share the gloom. We just fronted up well against one of the best packs around. we didn't best them, but very few do.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:35
I'll wait to see reply but that felt like a pre meditated and disgraceful penalty. You can't give ott against the attacking team after 75 mins having ignored it before and then carry on ignoring it after.

Great defensive effort and huge effort all round. Attack isn't clicking but showed slight improvement on last time out. Against a v good team though.

It just feels like our game plan is contradictory. We are trying to play much tighter which doesn't suit us.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:40
Dimes clearly shares your view of that penalty Clutch, claims the ref was making it up. I think that reaction is a bit OTT, but was certainly a very harsh penalty. Ultimately fair result though, I thought we put in a decent shift but Chiefs were the better side.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:48
Agreed. Just watched it. An utterly awful decision. Worst I've seen all season. They didn't even have a man challenging. It was a deliberate and pre meditated decision. Not acceptable. Still not why we lost. And he's a decent young ref in all fairness.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 21:54
Also thought it highlighted TJs limitations. He's all energy but too much blind picking up and going without thought. That cost us despite the deliberate decision to penilise us.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:06
I thought I heard the ref says post Jones penalty that Ďweí or Ďheí (I.e Jones) had been warned before hence his decision - I only saw one replay and he did go off his feet.

A big area for improvement is our kicking game, itís not good really especially defensive kicks. Did we kick 3 out on the full tonight?

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
HaleShark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:14
Exeter edged it but pleased with our contribution against the best team in England. Despite the loss I'm quite upbeat about our immediate future.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:17
Surbiton im sure you are right but they were doing it as well. all teams do it all the time. He intentially waited till the end for a key moment to give it in my opinion.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
LJK (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:27
Think Dimes may get another round of trouble from the powers that be over his comments on referees, after tonight's closing BT interview.
Understand the frustration after losing two successive close matches in the last few minutes, after dubious ref decisions, but did he really have to express it in those terms?
Rob Baxter (admittedly from the winner's position) said that over a game or a season these poor decisions equal out, and common sense says they must.
Anyway after playing 3 of the top teams in Europe and drawing or losing by no more than 4 points in each case is OK with me. Exeter were better overall

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:42
Don't think Baxter is a Diamond fan!! Not sure saying he made it up is an issue. It's kind of true.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
stevene (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 22:56
I haven't watched it on the replay yet but i thought watching it live was a shocking decision from maxwell keys. Two reasons:

A. (I think) was all over the ruck off his feet. Yes jones does go off his feet and it was a penalty. However simmonds could have easily been pinged first for what he was doing. It wasn't as if simmonds was cleared out when on his feet by jones going off his. Really poor call for that reason alone.

B. there were multiple instances throughout the match, both sides, of player going in their ruck at the side, off their feet and clearing out with no arms. Yet no pens until 77 mins.

I actually have a lot of sympathy for dimes and his post match comments. At least he is honest and I can imagine how frustrated he was with maxwell keys. Perhaps we didn't deserve it but it robbed us of a chance to, in reality, nick it.

However maxwell keys didn't lose us the game. What did:

A. poor tactical kicking in the first half.
B. playing too much rugby in our own half
C. our inability to clear our lines effectively when taking kick offs.

We invited too much pressure for the first 65 mins by these poor basics. Lots of noise around the kicking towards the end of the game. That nearly won us the game as we picked the right point to attack when they kicked poorly. You don't beat Exeter by trying to play in your own 22.

Possibly the most inept passage of play was the kick off after we got it back to 10-6. Instead of executing a simple exit strategy to clear upto near half way we mess around on the blindside for a while (Addison I think) and end up with a rushed kick which doesn't even reach our 22. That led to 5-10 mins of Exeter pressure which nearly ended up with them scoring a second try.

On a positive note. Defence. Simply superb considering the territory and possession Exeter had. martwhit take note!



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Grumpy Old Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:11
Some promising plays but we kicked away possession far too often.

I wasn't massively impressed by O'Connor - I think we would have faired better with AJ....

The ref was weak and inconsistent - they were offside at practically every breakdown, made loads of high tackles but we were penalised?

We generally tackled well but lacked penetration.

Yet another game that we could and should have won

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:29
Don't see how we should have won it. O Connor was better today. It's hard to judge cause we have started playing differently of late for whatever reason.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:38
Thought O'Connor looked a lot sharper and presumably thats the match-fitness coming in to play. Hopefully he'll play the AW games and be soon up to full speed.

Did anyone notice the confusion with the replacements coming and going? I was sure there was a spell when a Sale player came on, but the player leaving the pitch didn't go off for a few mins. Likewise I saw an Exeter player leave the pitch (not for the yellow), and clear player coming on for him



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:49
Sam James I thought played extremely well again, Haley also played well when he came on. I've noticed Jennings is started to worryingly pick up a few knocks, was limping off tonight.

Tough patch of the season for us, is that 3 straight games without a win?

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
iBozz (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:50
Far too much tedious and pointless aerial ping-pong - run with the bl**dy ball, for goodness sake, don't repetitively kick it so far down the field that your own players have no hope of getting to it before the opposition hoof it back.

And please let's not have this rather pathetic exercise in letting the opposition run out first and then letting them stand alone until we deign to come out ourselves. It looks cheap, tacky and quite frankly nasty.

What was an entertaining concept for a comedy book by Professor Stephen Potter, followed by a film with Terry-Thomas and Ian Carmichael, just looks very sad and very childish when carried out by a professional Club.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
emerging shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:50
I noticed that, it was like Picadilly Junction at times on the sidelines. Do we need to take a leaf out of Rugby League's book?

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
buelligansmate (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:54
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Thought O'Connor looked a lot sharper and presumably thats the match-fitness coming in to play. Hopefully he'll play the AW games and be soon up to full speed.
Did anyone notice the confusion with the replacements coming and going? I was sure there was a spell when a Sale player came on, but the player leaving the pitch didn't go off for a few mins. Likewise I saw an Exeter player leave the pitch (not for the yellow), and clear player coming on for him

We had 16 on the pitch for a few minutes until Tom Curry came off

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:55
At one point I'm pretty sure that Stauss was shouting over to the bench, presumably as to who was going off, but the play restarted and he got involved. At some point Curry went off, ripping his head bad off in what looked to be a little bit of a paddy. It did seem that Sale had an extra man on the pitch for a short period (but I doubt there will be a video put on Sale's Twitter feed asking for people's opinions.)

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
emerging shark (IP Logged)
27 October, 2017 23:58
Listening on ref link I think Maxwell-Keys was confused all match about substitutions.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 04:02
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On a positive note. Defence. Simply superb considering the territory and possession Exeter had

According to BT stats possession was 60:40 in Chiefs favour, but territory was 60:40 in our favour. Surprised me, we must have spent a long time in their half in the first 40.

Never noticed our 16 men, don;t recall it being picked up by BT team either. They did note that Chiefs momentarily had 16 on the pitch.


What were conditions like? Neither side seemed to play their natural game. Was mentioned by someone during commentary (IIRC in a chat with Hepher) that they didn't think it a night for running rugby.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
HaleShark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 06:20
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I noticed that, it was like Picadilly Junction at times on the sidelines. Do we need to take a leaf out of Rugby League's book?

How do they manage replacements Emerging?

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 07:44
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On a positive note. Defence. Simply superb considering the territory and possession Exeter had

According to BT stats possession was 60:40 in Chiefs favour, but territory was 60:40 in our favour. Surprised me, we must have spent a long time in their half in the first 40.

Never noticed our 16 men, don;t recall it being picked up by BT team either. They did note that Chiefs momentarily had 16 on the pitch.


What were conditions like? Neither side seemed to play their natural game. Was mentioned by someone during commentary (IIRC in a chat with Hepher) that they didn't think it a night for running rugby.

Conditions were perfect. Dry, little wind and not even much smell from the sewage works !

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
the snapper (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 08:51
Just re watched the game and I cannot believe how many times Exeter were offside. Also the number of high tackles missed by ref and linesman, I thought they were a priority!

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
2007dwain (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 09:10
Yes it's a loss but as long as we pick up these losing bonus points with them it's something. Would be more concerned if it was against likes of Worcester but now t the not the top team in England. Come on sale !

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 09:44
As ever we have too many one-eyed opinions. This offside thing, players from both sides are offside a good proportion of the time. Scrums throws are squint as they are for the lineouts. One lineout immediately in front of us, had a one metre space between the teams but Webber stood immediately opposite his own team and threw the ball in straight (at least straight from where he was) for it to be taken two handed by Sale above the player's head. How the throw can be deemed as being straight God only knows, but that seems to be the way of things nowadays.

It also seems to be the way of things that the only things picked up by Sale supporters, as having been missed, are by the opposition. That isn't fully true. Poynters felt that Sale were getting the decisions their way on several occasions, such as "lucky penalty, we clearly knocked it on in the tackle".

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
iBozz (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 09:56
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I noticed that, it was like Picadilly Junction at times on the sidelines. Do we need to take a leaf out of Rugby League's book?

How do they manage replacements Emerging?

To the best of my knowledge, the TMO (or someone else mic'd up) tells the Ref that substitutes are requested and Sir then, when play breaks appropriately, calls Time Off until the change is complete.

I'm not sure I fully agree with es as he seemed on top of them apart from on two occasions. In the first he called Time Out because there were too many people on the pitch (I don't know how he knew - a radio message which i didn't hear I would surmise) and the second where Exeter had called for substitutions, Time Out was called and then Exeter decided not to go through with their plan. This was at a line-out in the north west corner.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Chief-cum-Lately (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 11:17
Chief in peace.

I thought Sale played well and you were good value for the bonus point. I'm also impressed with the less than usually one eyed opinions expressed on this site so a well done to the team and the supporters. Sadly your DoR was an embarrassment to you with his comments. What a contrast with Rob Baxter who, as always, was balanced and respectful in his comments. I know it's easier to be respectful after a win but the very unusual sight of the Chiefs coaches reacting during the game contrasted with Rob's comments after the game was a clear lesson to Mr Diamond of how it should be done. Sale Rugby deserves a better, more professional DoR.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 11:22
Baxter was thoughtful and considerate a few weeks back when Exeter where on the end of what seemed to be a poor decision. I rate Baxter.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 11:59
I said on another thread that I would find this game instructive given the grim equivalent fixture last season. The two games turned out to be unrecognisable as between the same sides and although a win would have been great, a narrow defeat against the reigning champions is creditable. They're a very good side and we held our own with good defence, including weathering the storm at the start of the second half when for a few minutes it looked like Exeter might cut loose.

I've not seen the replay of the try to note if there were any infringements missed but I saw it at the time as one moment of switching off costing us. I can understand why the ref's consistency or otherwise vexed people given the decision at the death. I know there was one high tackle right in front of me that the whole of W06 and W05 went up for, which would have been in very kickable range.

We performed creditably against a very good team.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 12:24
Had Sale only had from Sunday, after an important European game against strong French opposition, to Friday to recover there would have been several comments on here about the unfairness of it. As it was Exeter which had to cope with that, and judging by the number of times it has been commented on, it obviously doesn't matter. Playing creditably is fine, but at the end of the season it is still a loss at home for a side which pre-season had aspirations of being top four.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 12:57
Your glass is half empty, mine is half full.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 13:12
I'm verging on half full as well I think. Decent ish point against a top side. Plenty to be disappointed about but hopefully things will improve. I'd play Faff and O Connor in the LV as well. They need to keep playing together.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
ashtonshark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 15:21
Whilst we have put in some great defensive displays in recent week I'm slightly concerned that we appear to have slipped into a regular pattern of c35% -40% possession and defending for long, long periods. Then being unable to retain possession or make much mpact we we do finally get the ball

If we end up defending for 2/3rds of every game then not only will teams eventually break us down but players will also eventually breakdown with injuries due to the physical battering of constant tackling

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 16:58
We aren't really getting over the gainline to generate quick ball and our half backs are struggling to gel. All that forces us to concede possession by kicking the ball away.

We aren't really turning the ball over either for whatever reason.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 17:10
Pretty sure it's been written about in rugby media that new ruck laws tilt hugely in favour of attacking side and think our turnovers are a symptom of that. Bit harsh to start talking about half backs not gelling when it's only JOC's, what, 3rd start?

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
thekeg (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 17:43
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Pretty sure it's been written about in rugby media that new ruck laws tilt hugely in favour of attacking side and think our turnovers are a symptom of that. Bit harsh to start talking about half backs not gelling when it's only JOC's, what, 3rd start?

Harsh if meant as a criticism of the player but signing a 9 who arrived 2/3 weeks before season start and a 10 who was injured carried the risk of us hitting the 8/9 game mark with a team thatís struggling to gel and therefore less points than we need.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 17:58
We also have a 10 in AJ who has over a year in the systems.

The point about gelling is fair - indeed, Josh Strauss highlighted the late arrival in pre-season of himself and a few others in his offy interview this week. He said it was starting to click. I posted the interview on here and highlighted the gelling comments but it didn't get a single reply so I assumed no one else was that interested in the notion.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 18:45
Just watched the highlights on BT Sport and I'm not sure what the difference was between what Jones did and what one of the Chiefs did at the ruck preceding their try. But then CM-K had just binned their player for similar so he'd obviously decided to ping it all of a sudden.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 19:17
Massive inconsistency. Though the yellow was for a defending player so totally different example.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 19:36
Yeah, fair enough - was trying to find ways of understanding the decision but as you say, a very different example.

I had been thinking that Dimes has a suspended ban hanging over him from last season, and Fissler has confirmed it so he might well be in the stands for a few weeks.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
james46 (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 19:51
If you have a new to the club 9/10 pairing and naff all pre-season and an injured 10 who is makinghis way back to fitness, I don't see why they should be criticised.

For me O'Connor is head and shoulders Sales best 10 and Faf the best 8, they need a season to fully bed in, simple as that.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Surbiton Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 20:04
Faf will need a break with these cup games coming up, he was out of on his feet towards the end. Its fairly clear that he's our main playmaker, organiser and onfield 'motivator' - it also means he's on the pitch all the time.

Going to be tricky as we need the team to gel togetherness and must get some wins ahead of the Prem restarting but also need to rest several of them and see what the youngsters can do/experienced ones like TJ who haven the played much. Though after yet again deciding to pick and go on his own when the entire back line had just swept right and he decided to go left he maybe on shop duty. Never seen one man pick up and get isolated as much as he does - sorry rant over!

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 21:35
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Your glass is half empty, mine is half full.
My glass is realistic, neither half full nor half empty.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Pappje Shark (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 23:26
Well my glass is realistic too so that's the end of that.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
clutch (IP Logged)
28 October, 2017 23:58
Not sure Faff at 8 is the answer. It's a fair point but they need to learn to gel. To class acts. James you may be right but he's arguably our best 12-15 as well. O Connor looked better against Chiefs so signs are good.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
bonnery (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 08:41
Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.



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Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
M5 Shark (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 09:16
Maybe that is part of the reason we seem to struggle to attract players. Well, no, we attract them : identify talent, agent and the club meet, press announcement imminent, player meets coach, deal falls through

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
emerging shark (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 09:25
I watched it through on TV last night. A couple of things. Marc Jones had actually no need to go off his feet as we had already won the ball at that ruck and there were 2 Exeter players on the ground.To me he blindly went for a clear out and there was nobody there so he had no choice but to go off his feet. You see it all the time. The ref has to make the decision as to whether it has any material effect on the game and on Friday it didn't and Diamond was right. But: Steve Diamond really needs some media training. His whole demeanour was 'I don't want to be here answering your stupid questions and the whole world's against us'. He is not doing himself or the club any favours.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Hookjaw1 (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 09:27
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Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.

I rather suspect if that last penalty in a reverse situation had gone Sales way to win the game Rob Baxter may have reacted in a similar manner to Steve Diamond.
It is easy to be calm and collected if you win, less so if you don't and especially if you loose a critical decision at the end if the game in that manner.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:07
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Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.

I rather suspect if that last penalty in a reverse situation had gone Sales way to win the game Rob Baxter may have reacted in a similar manner to Steve Diamond.
It is easy to be calm and collected if you win, less so if you don't and especially if you loose a critical decision at the end if the game in that manner.
I don't think you are correct there. There was a situation a few games ago when a similar scenario happened but Baxter handled it much better.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
SimonG19 (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 10:32
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Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.

I rather suspect if that last penalty in a reverse situation had gone Sales way to win the game Rob Baxter may have reacted in a similar manner to Steve Diamond.
It is easy to be calm and collected if you win, less so if you don't and especially if you loose a critical decision at the end if the game in that manner.

History has proved you are incorrect.

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
Hookjaw1 (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 12:39
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bonnery
Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.

I rather suspect if that last penalty in a reverse situation had gone Sales way to win the game Rob Baxter may have reacted in a similar manner to Steve Diamond.
It is easy to be calm and collected if you win, less so if you don't and especially if you loose a critical decision at the end if the game in that manner.

History has proved you are incorrect.


Simon and David H

I didn't say he would react the same...I said similar....nobody would be as eloquent as SD.
You also refer to a previous event...but in truth was that event inconsistent refereeing that lost the opportunity to win the game with 2 mins to go against the current prem champs?
Me

 
Re: Sale v Exeter match thread
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
29 October, 2017 17:30
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Hookjaw1
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Hookjaw1
Quote:
bonnery
Putting aside his abilities as a DoR, Steve Diamond is an embarrassment and dis-credits the sport. The contrast between his outbursts after the game on Friday and the way Rob Baxter reacted were chalk and cheese. One man full of class, the other class-LESS. And whereas Exeter will be many people's second favourite club...I can imagine we're many people's least favourite club, thanks to our "great leader" alone.

I rather suspect if that last penalty in a reverse situation had gone Sales way to win the game Rob Baxter may have reacted in a similar manner to Steve Diamond.
It is easy to be calm and collected if you win, less so if you don't and especially if you loose a critical decision at the end if the game in that manner.

History has proved you are incorrect.


Simon and David H

I didn't say he would react the same...I said similar....nobody would be as eloquent as SD.
You also refer to a previous event...but in truth was that event inconsistent refereeing that lost the opportunity to win the game with 2 mins to go against the current prem champs?
Me

Well, of course not. It was Exeter and they are the champions


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