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Paddy Jackson pre-contract
saleawaywithme (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 22:46
What The Sun doesn't say is whether the pre-contract and agreed terms they claim to have seen was ripped up or intact. In which case PJ may appear for pre season when the dust settles a bit.
[www.thesun.co.uk]

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Crutch (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 22:53
£1m for a 3 year deal doesn't sound like that much of a bargain - don't believe we'd have been in for a 10 at that price.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
saleawaywithme (IP Logged)
14 May, 2018 23:05
Certainly a lot more than the 250k pa he was on but the £1 million figure does make a better headline for The Sun than a 6 figure one. Sam Diamond is a least a bit more vague than his father smiling smiley Not quite a denial, just no comment.
When asked if they could explain why there was a signed agreement, Sharks media manager Sam Diamond responded: ďThe club are not making a comment on it ó there is no comment to be made.Ē



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Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
emerging shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 08:18
Heads of terms evidence serious intent and have moral force, but do not legally compel the parties to conclude the deal on those terms or even at all. However, provisions relating to confidentiality and costs may be binding on the parties.
The above sums it up so no big deal in getting out of it..

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Olyy (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 09:39
"Angry denial" "publicly slammed" - neither of which is true.

Rumours before were that we were going to get him on under 300k a season.
Red tops have no idea about rugby and rugby salaries though, not long ago one said Foden was on 750k a season, or something along those lines.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
stevene (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 10:10
I believe it was 250k per annum plus incentives and olding was in the 150-200k plus incentives. considering faf de klerk is rumoured to be on 400-500k then 250k for a irish international 10-12 could be considered 'cut price'.

i suspect cipriani was looking for 300-400k (plus incentives) when his agent approached sale earlier this year.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
thekeg (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 11:04
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Crutch
£1m for a 3 year deal doesn't sound like that much of a bargain - don't believe we'd have been in for a 10 at that price.

I think thatís still ďcheapĒ for an international quality 10. Heard that Owen Williams, to give one example, went to Gloucester on more than that

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
ale shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 11:07
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stevene
I believe it was 250k per annum plus incentives and olding was in the 150-200k plus incentives. considering faf de klerk is rumoured to be on 400-500k then 250k for a irish international 10-12 could be considered 'cut price'.
i suspect cipriani was looking for 300-400k (plus incentives) when his agent approached sale earlier this year.

Crazy wages, there's only about 50 top flight professional clubs in the world and almost of them make a loss. Iím not saying the players are being greedy but theyíre bankrupting something thatís barely sustainable. There really does need to be a readjustment of demands and expectation at some point soon. Perhaps Wasps hitting the buffers will do that.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
thekeg (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 11:40
Surprised that people are surprised at the figures here....

The cap is £7million. If you have 40 players in a squad thatís £175,000 on average.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
clutch (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 13:11
And we have 32 donít we?!! Are jets exempt. How does that work? Can they only play a max amount before counting on the salary cap?

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
stevene (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 13:25
cap is £7m plus marquee players....

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
23Shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 14:05
Which we don't have as we dont spend up to the cap....

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Yareet (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 14:37
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23Shark
Which we don't have as we dont spend up to the cap....

That doesn't necessarily follow. We might spend £6.5mn plus £500k each for Faf and JOC.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not saying we are spending this but rather that we could have two marquee players and still not be spending up to the cap.

Not even sure we could bring JOC in as a marquee as he's played for another Prem club.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
thekeg (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 14:46
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stevene
cap is £7m plus marquee players....

Yes, so the average wage in the cap goes up....

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 14:47
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clutch
And we have 32 donít we?!! Are jets exempt. How does that work? Can they only play a max amount before counting on the salary cap?
There are academy credits that aren't included in the cap.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 15:12
Added to the above, players can not be deemed marquee players if they have come directly from other Prem clubs or played in the competition in the past 12 months, therefore JOC could be a marquee player having come from Toulon.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
ale shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 15:19
So if Gloucester sign both Cipriani and RJVR then neither are marquee? Thatís a pretty sizeable chuck of their cap, regardless of who is leaving them.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 16:07
That's the rule from my understanding!

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
emerging shark (IP Logged)
15 May, 2018 21:00
Thread hijacked. It was about Jackson's pre contract...who knows the financial in's and outs...

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 10:16
Usually it's the piper who decides if such a contract is formalized and signed. He has to think of the adverse publicity, and potential loss of reputation/revenue. All a result of Red Top morality?

Sadly many of those that condemn on the basis of the details of the backstory don't stop to reflect on the mysogenistic nature of a lot of young sportsmen's banter. Alcohol-fuelled stuff they would all regret if it ever came into the public domain. Very few live up to the expectations of the public.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
IOL Shark (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 11:14
Iíve no inside knowledge on this but I suspect Jackson will still be heading to Sale once the dust has settled. I wouldnít be surprised if it doesnít get formally announced, just leaked through the press once pre-season training starts and heís visible at Carrington.
My views, for what theyíre worth, are that what he did was wrong and completely unacceptable. However, I also believe in the second chance principle. What he did was no worse than Jason Robinson did at the same age and (arguably) Cips, Rob Webber and James OíC. Yet they were all given a chance to redeem themselves by getting their heads down, concentrating on the sport and adding value to the club. No-one can argue that they havenít achieved this and become an accepted (and respected) part of Sale (current and historically).
Iím willing to see him in the shirt and give him the chance. If he fails to take the opportunity and shows no sign of changing his ways Iíd be the first to call for him to move on. Iíve a 11 year old daughter (and 9 year old son) who has been a season ticket holder for the last 4-5 years, who regularly meets the players and gets high fives from them at the end of each game, so Iíve a vested interest in our players setting an appropriate standard (on and off the field) that she can look up to.
If Jackson can show he knows he did wrong and is willing to work hard to change, then I see that as a positive example to follow. We all make mistakes, but it is how we learn from those mistakes that counts!

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
clutch (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 12:01
A fine post, good enough to close all debate on the subject in my opinion.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
MikeGC (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 12:07
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IOL Shark

If Jackson can show he knows he did wrong and is willing to work hard to change,


If he comes (I donít think he will, but have no inside knowledge) this will be absolutely vital.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
IOL Shark (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 12:29
100% agree MikeGC and I think the key to his whole future wherever he goes

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Rani of the Road (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 18:55
As a female supporter, it wouldn't bother me if we sign him and the drama surrounding all this is ridiculous. I read the 'transcript' of his messages on the internet and I have heard worse while in the pub with my husband, or on public transport. I would be more than happy for Sale to sign him, and can give the examples of players we have - Webber drink driving on the M6 and having to pull into services to vomit then fall asleep, O'Connor arrested along with a mate for drugs, and have had - DC avoiding a drink driving charges for months - as far worse examples of behaviour yet all three of them are still employed and playing the game they love.
I'd rather have someone who may be a little bit lewd than someone who thinks nothing of sinking a good few pints then getting behind the wheel of a car and driving home without considering the consequences if they hit another vehicle or pedestrians.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
clutch (IP Logged)
16 May, 2018 20:41
Good to hear a female perspective.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Rinkadink (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 00:01
Who's "Wrecking rugby" now, Steve?



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Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
yukon (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 04:13
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Rinkadink
Who's "Wrecking rugby" now, Steve?

Bristol. Sorry, ďthe bearsĒ (Sm22)

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
45jumper (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 08:24
Excellent post Rani, a very balanced view of it all (Sm152)

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Oldham Shark II (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 09:39
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
rossett shark (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 10:21
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Oldham Shark II
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

I must admit when you look at what PJ wrote there are far far worse things said up and down the land. I discussed this with my wife & I expected her to take a hard line but she did not. He was found not guilty and he made a comment on private media that he would not want in the public domain. A lot of the outrage I feel is from people who will then move on to the next "cause".

I'm with Rani, drink driving was far worse but did not attract the social media crusaders.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
JimJam350 (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 12:33
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Oldham Shark II
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

Clearly it also pleases those mind-readers amongst us who know so much about the motivation and thought processes of others that they are able to label them accordingly.

As of course is their right under freedom of speech.

Even if it does make them look quite ridiculous.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Chris1850 (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 15:09
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JimJam350
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Oldham Shark II
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

Clearly it also pleases those mind-readers amongst us who know so much about the motivation and thought processes of others that they are able to label them accordingly.

As of course is their right under freedom of speech.

Even if it does make them look quite ridiculous.

How so?



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Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
LJK (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 15:43
Rani and IOL are the best postings on this subject... I gave up reading the stuff on the previous thread of 300+ postings.
The guys were stupid and should realise the likelihood of this foul stuff getting out in this crazy social media world But,they were not potential killers of innocent people, as were the players who got behind the wheel and drove after drinking. Those players get a second chance so why are disgraceful media posters any different?

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Rani of the Road (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 17:47
Thank you to those who have responded positively, and to IOL for his/her sensible words too. If he turns up at Sale then so be it, and I'd rather the management and owners took that chance instead of being pilloried by the red tops and people who live to be offended than left him on the shelf. We need decent players and he fits the bill. After discussing it with the other half, he said it's sponsors that usually panic first (like the Irish league ones) and maybe they started threatening the club so I guess that may be a reason. A shame if so.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
StalyShark (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 18:25
Anyone know if Jackson has ever played full back?

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
clutch (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 18:54
Or prop

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
StalyShark (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 19:06
Or hooker?

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Oldham Shark II (IP Logged)
17 May, 2018 19:12
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StalyShark
Or hooker?

Stop it!! Now you're just teasing!!

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
23 May, 2018 21:59
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Oldham Shark II
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

Careful that you don't get any naked flames too near that straw man you've built there.



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Somewhere in the South Stand

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
DaveAitch (IP Logged)
24 May, 2018 21:13
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Cap'n Major Bloodnok
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Oldham Shark II
And will undoubtedly upset the pseudo-liberal intelligentsia on here that have decided 'lewd' equals misogyny, and any perpetrators should be assigned a life of unemployment and damnation. (As is their right under freedom of speech).

Careful that you don't get any naked flames too near that straw man you've built there.
However, it doesn't alter the fact that Oldham is correct: lewd does not equal misogyny.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
25 May, 2018 10:10
Both however cause offense and are disrespectfull towards women. Both are highly flammable/inflammatory.

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Grumpy Old Shark (IP Logged)
25 May, 2018 12:13
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H's Dad...
Both however cause offense and are disrespectfull towards women. Both are highly flammable/inflammatory.

Lewdness isn't restricted to the male of the species, so I'm not sure how you think that it is uniquely disrespectful towards women?

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
WillC (IP Logged)
25 May, 2018 12:21
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H's D
Both however cause offense and are disrespectfull towards women.

Absolutely correct, Cap'n it's "straw person" if you don't mind (Sm100)

 
Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
H's Dad... (IP Logged)
25 May, 2018 18:08
Nor is mysogeny restricted to men, some women are also afflicted. Not that I suggested lewdness is unquely applied to women of course, GOS.


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