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Team for Bordeaux
BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 06:00
Does anyone know if our recent signings - the Du Preez Bros and Bristow - are eligible for the European games? Are they in the mix for the forthcoming weekends?

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
Timperley Shark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 08:29
They are on the EPC players list.
[www.epcrugby.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2018 08:33 by Timperley Shark.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
ale shark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 08:45
Squad of 49 on that list

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
Timperley Shark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 09:18
[www.epcrugby.com]

If I read this correctly, providing they have been registered, they can play.As long as the 2 "non European" player rule is not exceeded.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 09:36
South Africans are 'Kolpak' therefore treated as European.



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Re: Team for Bordeaux
NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 10:39
The question is..do we go all out in the match and play a rotated team at home, giving the frontline players a week off before a crunch game in the Prem? Or do we rotate for the away game, hoping to pick up a bonus point or 2 and bring first team players back for the home game to try and draw a crowd?

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
camshark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 10:39
Either way I personally hope we rest some players ahead of Bordeaux and Bristol home, Gloucester away and Sarries home in the new year. A tough and important group of matches.
Even though I'm heading off to Bordeaux, I won't be upset if Harrison, WGJ, Webber, Curry, Ross and Faf are non starters.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
clutch (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 11:59
We have been putting out strong teams. I expect this to continue. We will make a few changes Im sure.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
WithingtonShark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 12:17
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camshark
Either way I personally hope we rest some players ahead of Bordeaux and Bristol home, Gloucester away and Sarries home in the new year. A tough and important group of matches.
Even though I'm heading off to Bordeaux, I won't be upset if Harrison, WGJ, Webber, Curry, Ross and Faf are non starters.

I'm no doctor but I would imagine WGJ needs a few weeks off to rest whatever it is that is causing him problems in the neck/shoulder...

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 12:30
Thanks for that.

I think we should put out a strong team. We are one of three teams in the plate comp with max points so far. If we are to stand a chance of a good ranking at the end of the current of this stage we need to have maximum points to get as high a ranking for the knockout stages as possible. A strong team doesn't mean no players rotated, but I would be against wholesale changes. moreover, because of injuries this season we haven't seen any consistent backline, so they can't build an understanding.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
camshark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 13:36
I think we can afford to loose one game and still be at the top of the group at the end of the group stages, and qualify for a home quarter. If we are to loose one this is the one . By the time we go to Connacht well have a better idea on how the group is shaping and then with Perpignan to come we hopefully will be in a strong position.
Just trying to be pragmatic, that was an awesome performance at Bath, some of the players were out on their feet and need a rest, I would argue that the following 4 games after this weekend will shape our season.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
jaytom (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 14:11
I would go for a strong team. Win this one and we are very well placed to qualify. If we lose and Connacht win, the pool is very much open.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
camshark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 14:51
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jaytom
I would go for a strong team. Win this one and we are very well placed to qualify. If we lose and Connacht win, the pool is very much open.

Just interested to know who would you rest against :
Bordeaux ( H)
Bristol. (H)
Gloucester. (A)
Sarries. (H)

Or would you play them all Ross, Harrison,Curry, Webber, WGJ, Faf. ?

Personally I think the next four games are more important than Bordeaux away, ( and we have to try and keep our small squad fresh.)
Connacht currently have four points in the group , we have nine.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
StalyShark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 14:54
Im heavily biased as Im treating a few people to the Black Friday hospitality deal for the home game but I'd semi-rest some key players for this game so Id go:

Bristow
Langdon
Jones
Evans
Ostrikov
Nott
Du Preez
Strauss
Cliff
Du Preez
Odogwu (McGuigan if fit)
L James
JOC
Reed
Ashton

Nield (if fit)/Webber
Harrison/Flynn (if fit)
Tarus
Postlethwaite
Moore (if fit)/Dugdale
Warr
Wilkinson
McGuigan/Odogwu

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 15:03
Funnily StalyShark I picked the same team earlier, but then thought would it be better that to play a stronger team away from home; against a French club that traditionally don't travel well. This would:

a) Enable us to control the group with a win, effectively killing off their ambitions in the tournament, making the home game potentially easier.

and

b) Allow for any injuries to first team players that may occur during European games, an extra week to recover before we get back into the Prem fixtures which are clearly vital this season.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
StalyShark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 15:12
I am heavily biased.

Saw Faf training on insta so I imagine hes playing so Im expecting a strong team.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
jaytom (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 15:19
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camshark
Quote:
jaytom
I would go for a strong team. Win this one and we are very well placed to qualify. If we lose and Connacht win, the pool is very much open.

Just interested to know who would you rest against :
Bordeaux ( H)
Bristol. (H)
Gloucester. (A)
Sarries. (H)

Or would you play them all Ross, Harrison,Curry, Webber, WGJ, Faf. ?

Personally I think the next four games are more important than Bordeaux away, ( and we have to try and keep our small squad fresh.)
Connacht currently have four points in the group , we have nine.



Why not half this week, half the next? Or at least have them on the bench to make an impact if needed. Rest all for the PRC game against Falcons and see where we're at for the last 2 European games.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
camshark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 16:02
Broadly agree with Staly, decent compromise Jaytom.
I follow Bordeaux as my second team , they struggle away, but are very impressive at home having played Clermont, La Rochelle, Montpellier, Lyon, Toulon and Pau at home in the league and they are unbeaten, posting some big scores. They do not like to loose at home so we are facing a huge challenge , why not rest a few key players and go all out against them at AJB, and of course Bristol the following week.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
clutch (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 16:16
I think that team is reasonable. Wouldnt play Cliff though. Du Preez is not a 7 from what I have seen so far.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
StalyShark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 17:20


Quote:
clutch
I think that team is reasonable. Wouldnt play Cliff though. Du Preez is not a 7 from what I have seen so far.

Neither do I but hes supposedly played all across the back, Ben Curry could do with a rest and the next cab off the 7 rank is Leatherbarrow or Dugdale so a bit harsh to throw them in I thought.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
Rich E (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 17:29
Bordeaux away - would suspect you need a strong front row to compete, and as camshark says Bordeaux don't like losing at home.
Faf can't play every game, and Will plays to the game plan, so I would hope he starts to ensure Faf is ready for the 22nd.
New recruits, those recovering from injury, and semi rested internationals should all start IMHO
At the end of the day playing in the Premiership next year is the priority.......especially if Nigel Melville has his way.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
thekeg (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 17:50
Reckon we will see about 2/3 of the first XV for each of the two games.

Interesting point about 7, not somewhere we have a fit back up option really. If Ben curry got injured I think wed go:

6 Du Preez
7 Ross
8 Strauss

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
camshark (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 18:49
Why not half this week, half the next? Or at least have them on the bench to make an impact if needed. Rest all for the PRC game against Falcons and see where we're at for the last 2 European games.[/quote]

The match against Falcons in the PRC is in February after Connacht away and after Perpignan home.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
MartWhit (IP Logged)
05 December, 2018 20:47
Although French sides like to be strong at home, I'm not sure Bordeaux still harbour hopes in this comp. They are on 2 points having drawn at home vs Perpignan, so even a victory at home means they have to win at our place to really be in the frame. So I think they will rotate.

Thus, I'd be going with a strong side to try for a win and see if we can eliminate any other teams pool hopes. I might rest Harrison and WGJ as they need a break for different reason and Bristow and Tarus need gametime desperately. I also agree that maybe Curry should bench and Jono fill in at 7. Otherwise I'd go full strength.

I do feel the following week's home game will allow further rotation where needed.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
jaytom (IP Logged)
06 December, 2018 10:17
[quote camshark]Why not half this week, half the next? Or at least have them on the bench to make an impact if needed. Rest all for the PRC game against Falcons and see where we're at for the last 2 European games.[/quote]

The match against Falcons in the PRC is in February after Connacht away and after Perpignan home.[/quote]

Sorry, yes. What I meant was to rest all in the PRC regardless. But for the final 2 Euro games - see where we are in terms of squad rotation needed. 2 wins over the next 2 weeks and we could already be qualified depending on how things go between Perpignan and Connacht.

 
Re: Team for Bordeaux
45jumper (IP Logged)
06 December, 2018 12:00
I'd go for something with a touch of rotation, so off the top of my head...

Ashton
Solomona
JOC
L James
Reed
Du Preez
Cliff

Harrison
Webber
Jones
Phillips
Beaumont
Ross
Curry
Du Preez

Subs
Langdon, Harrison, John/Taurus, Ostrikov, Strauss, Faf, Wilkinson, S James

Would've started Ostrikov but Beaumont is needed to run the lineout. I'd play Harrison in this and Bristow at home. Strauss unfortunate not to start but we need to get our money's worth out of Du Preez. Curry's been excellent recently and you don't rest your captain away in France!
If JOC isn't fit, start James with Leota/Odogwu coming onto the bench.


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