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O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 13:13
I have been a bit slow this summer in opening up our official unofficial forum sport - which is of course cycling. But suddenly the first Saturday of July is almost upon us, and in fact we are less than 24 hours from the start of the Tour de France in what is likely to be a damp Dusseldorf.
This year ITV4 (God bless their cotton socks) are showing every stage in its entirety, as well as an evening summary programme. Coverage starts tomorrow from 2.00 p.m.

The 2017 Tour sees Froome going for his fourth win, but his results so far have not gone so well, perhaps because he is also hoping to also perform in the Spanish Vuelta tour later in the year, thus he doesn't want to hit form too early.
Quintana is now coming-of-age and will be a real threat, possibly the favourite in many eyes.
There is also Richie Porte, the soft-spoken Aussie from Tasmania, who has shown really good form this year. However, Richie has always cracked in the past, once the real pressure comes on so it remains to be seen if he has the mental resolve take the yellow journey to Paris.

Jumping off the fence I think Froome will come from behind and win with a strong last-week performance. But I could be wrong.


(Sm46)

 
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Wildwillie (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 13:41
I heard this week that Yorkshire had secured some more prestigious cycle racing for 2019 iirc.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 14:51
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I heard this week that Yorkshire had secured some more prestigious cycle racing for 2019 iirc.

This was not a new announcement - we already knew that Yorkshire had won the 2019 World Championships. Just that old fox, Sir Gary Verity, spotting an opportunity for publicity immediately prior to the TdF IMHO.
The World Championships have a history of losing money for participating towns/regions, so maybe he is also fishing for some sponsorship/grants?

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 15:47
I hope you're right about Froome Almo but I just don't fancy him to win this year.

If he can't win , I hope Richie Porte does. Don't like Quintanas style of just sitting there or thereabouts then trying to win it on one big mountain late on - boring!

What do you reckon to Cavs chances of edging closer to the record?

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 15:59
I feel that Cav is only riding as it is the TdF and because he is such a big part of his team - there is little evidence that he has recovered sufficiently from the Glandular Fever illness he has been suffering with.

There again, write him off at your peril.

Perhaps he can ride into form and take a stage late on (Paris?).

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 16:10
Agree entirely. I'd like to see him get it though.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
30 June, 2017 21:37
It will be an interesting one with limited time trial kilometres and fewer mountain finishes, not ideal for Froome but he showed last year that he is prepared to try new approaches. It remains to be seen whether Landa will be happy playing super-domestique.

Not sure Contador can do it any more over three weeks, nor what the Giro has taken out of Quintana. No Nibali this time but Aru seems to be finding form. Chaves is an unknown quantity this year, Yates should be there or thereabouts.

Not sure Cav will have the energy to challenge for long after his illness and the German sprinters will be going all out for stages. At least Gaviria isn't here.

It should be a very interesting year and I hope it stays open well into the last week, with some well-placed French riders to keep the locals interested.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
01 July, 2017 17:33
I'm yet to to be convinced by Landa Albert.

In the few races where he's been the main man, he hasn't really pulled any trees up imho.

Thomas wins the opening TT and will be in yellow tomorrow. Good stuff, obviously inspired by the Lions! :-)

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
01 July, 2017 19:33
Excellent day for team Sky: Thomas winning was great given his bad luck in the Giro when, as team leader, he was taken out by a motorbike. And Froome also now has 30+ seconds on his main rivals.

Just like to add a point of protocol here. As many people (especially those working during the week) will not get to see the live racing, please could we resist posting "spoilers" until after the ITV4 highlights finish at 8.00 p.m.

Where would we be without rules, eh??????????

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
01 July, 2017 19:54
Good shout Almo,

apologies if I've inadvertently ruined it for anyone.

Oh, and in answer to your question - France! (old Al Murray pub landlord joke)

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
02 July, 2017 08:24
Sad to see what happened to Valverde. I know he's not everyone's cup of tea but he livens up the mountain stages and keeps Quintana honest. Izaguirre went out at the same spot apparently. Shame no-one realised they could have done with a couple of mattresses in front of the barriers on a bend in the p'ing rain.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
03 July, 2017 20:07
Today's stage had Valverde's name written all over it, but he was watching from hospital. However, deserved win from Sagan, even though his foot slipped out of the pedal.

Is anyone finding the wall-to-wall TV coverage a bit hard to bear? I commend the ITV4 commentators, who are doing an excellent job, but feel sorry for them. I watched today the highlights, having been fishing, and the highlights programme was excellent.

When we reach the mountain stages the live broadcasts will come into their own.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
04 July, 2017 08:23
I could watch with no commentary (and often do) just to see the countryside roll by! I think ITV are suffering a bit as they only have Boulting & Millar. Since no-one could do a 5-6 hour stint without breaks they are using a bloke back in London chatting to whoever they can find with a role in cycling to provide some relief.

Eurosport are using their two main commentators in relay (including, sadly, the execrable Carlton Kirby) with experts rotating in and out. This works better.

There will be longueurs but I would rather that than miss early action.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
apb (IP Logged)
04 July, 2017 15:18
Well that was exciting! (No spoilers ...)



Waiting for the good times ...

..and waiting ....


... and waiting ...

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
04 July, 2017 19:48
Thanks for your restraint apb!

The sort of stage that would be more entertaining on highlights than live imho, though with traumatic events difficult to maintain the "radio silence" and avoid spoilers.

I thought Sagan deserved a yellow, rather than red, card. The whole sprint was chaotic, everyone trying to take advantage of Kittel's absence, everyone wandering to the right, finally two people trying to get on Demare's wheel. Usually the offending sprinter gets demoted to last place and loses all points, but is allowed to continue.

Can anyone remember the demon sprinter, Abdoujaparov?

EDIT: See this [www.youtube.com]

At the time of posting not sure about Cav's prognosis but hope he can start tomorrow, even if that seems unlikely.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
04 July, 2017 20:45
Big winner today, as usual, will be the bookies.

Lot of money will have been on Sagan for the Green Jersey I imagine. That competition now wide open.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
05 July, 2017 06:51
Broken shoulder blade for Cav so that's that. I also thought the original punishment was about right, you couldn't be sure that Sagan's actions were deliberate. Different race now outside the GC battle. That should get more interesting today.



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Re: O/T Tour de France
apb (IP Logged)
05 July, 2017 07:36
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almostatyke
The sort of stage that would be more entertaining on highlights than live imho, though with traumatic events difficult to maintain the "radio silence" and avoid spoilers.

I'm enjoying the live coverage. I watch it in the same way as I used to watch test matches back in the day when cricket was on real telly - it's on all the time and I get on with other things while its there in the background.

Personally I've never had a problem maintaining radio silence in the situation we had yesterday; I would be a rubbish journalist for that reason (among others!)



Waiting for the good times ...

..and waiting ....


... and waiting ...

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
05 July, 2017 20:02
apb I am with you in everything you say. I remember the late Willie Rushton, interviewed at Lords saying, "cricket is not really what you are watching, it is what you are "at". If you really want to see the details - watch on TV".
The TdF is similar. But of course nowadays with modern technology it is possible to stand by the side of the road and see the power meter outputs of the riders on your idiot phone.

However I am back from my excellent walk with Bobba in t' dales and having watched the ITV4 highlights.

Sky look exceedingly good. Ritchie Porte is continuing to show all the signs of a gallant loser.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
07 July, 2017 20:31
I think we are now past the "phoney war", an interesting week but it has to be said that the two most charismatic characters have been eliminated in Cav and Sagan. Kittel seems dominant in the sprints although full marks to Bossan-Hagen (not an icecream brand BTW) who ran him to within 6mm today.
Tomorrow the Jura, not a full-blown high mountain stage, but one where the big players will have to do their stuff. Then it is about recovery as the going gets tougher on Sunday.

(Sm146)



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Re: O/T Tour de France
leemingtyke (IP Logged)
09 July, 2017 21:15
Would be interested to hear everyone's opinions on cycling's unwritten etiquette.

I think its pretty obvious that Aru saw Froomes arm go up and decided to attack. We're Porte and Co right to haul him back in?



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Re: O/T Tour de France
Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
09 July, 2017 21:58
Obviously means something to the cyclists themselves as Aru was the only one who sought advantage before being "outvoted" by the rest of that relatively high profile bunch. Ithink it is good to see some kind of self policing which takes us away from the win at all costs mentality which prevails in too many instances in sport.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
10 July, 2017 20:58
I think that, in a competition that has three weeks of duress, some sort of tacit "rules" are inevitable. Anyone taking advantage one day can easily be run off the road on another occasion.
In the past there has been a "boss" of the peloton who has controlled absolutely everything: Bernard Hinault was the ultimate example of this.
Now things are less controlled but, as BL says, good to see that some sort of ethics are in place, especially when live TV is recording every detail.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 20:20
Closest race for years, though with Froomie being the best time trialler then the others had better get in front of him by more than a few seconds in the mountains.

Now for the Alps.

I speak as someone who has ridden most of the Alpine passes including the Alpe d'Huez, Izoard and Gallibier.

Bring it on!

(Sm146)

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
John R (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 12:30
When I have been up them on two wheels, mine had an engine!

Much more relaxed that way and an option to enjoy the view!

It's an interesting tour now with Froome knowing their are possible realistic challenges ahead. The last few days have been full of unusual options opening up to a top bunch of GC candidates.

Well done them!

Subject to no accidents and mechanicals, I still take Froome to win..........

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 19:59
Landa has helped massively in Thomas's absence, putting his own ambitions (mostly) on one side to support Froome. The design of this year's race, with no more than two successive high mountain stages at any point, means that the fatigue and wearing down, which in the past have seen Froome on his own for several kms at the end of the stage, haven't been as obvious. Rowe went very early again today but Kiryenka was a tank as always, and Kwiatkowski has been a real revelation in this race, not only for sticking to Froome like glue but for his long pull today.

Not too sorry to see Aru slip back today, good rider but don't like his attitude. Great to have some real competition though with Uran and Bardet close; another badly-timed mechanical or dodgy legs tomorrow could easily see Froome slip down the order, leaving the TT on Saturday even more enticing.

Shame for Kittel - he seems arrogant (though he has plenty to be arrogant about) but then Matthews isn't exactly a shrinking violet either. It would have been better if the green jersey had been decided on the road, especially if the intermediate sprints on the Champs Elysees had been significant.

Another great day's TV in prospect tomorrow, including the first bit of the womens' race. It will be a bit of a downer having to make do with the Tour of Wallonia next week.

Respect to Mr Almo - I wouldn't be that keen on driving up those alpine roads, never mind tackling them on a push iron!



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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
20 July, 2017 17:28
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I wouldn't be that keen on driving up those alpine roads, never mind tackling them on a push iron!

To be honest the last few climbs were on carbon fibre, very little ferous material involved!

 
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Tyko (IP Logged)
20 July, 2017 18:29
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almostatyke
I speak as someone who has ridden most of the Alpine passes including the Alpe d'Huez, Izoard and Gallibier.(Sm146)

I'm impressed. I found the hills at Centre Parcs Longleat too much for me.

 
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Bobba (IP Logged)
21 July, 2017 11:08
What Almo has failed to tell us is that, similar to Leeds RUFC, he was going downhill!(Sm151)

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
21 July, 2017 19:38
Back to the actual race.

They say that what you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts, but a certain Eddy Boassan-hagen proved this theory wrong today.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
22 July, 2017 20:54
Well done to Froomie - his calculated gamble in coming to the TdF slightly undercooked seems to have worked. Now he has a chance of success at the Vuelta d'Espania.
Still a lot of effort required to keep the good form going that long, perhaps as illustrated by the sad sight of Quintana, who has been but a shadow of himself in the TdF due to exhaustion on the Giro d'Italia.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 08:24
Real shame for Landa. If he had been given his head on a couple of occasions he would have been on the podium. Will be challenging from another team next year by the sound of it.



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yeldor
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yeldor (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 12:31
Bleddy cyclists 🚴🏽.



sent off carried off never backed off

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 15:10
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Bleddy cyclists 🚴🏽.

Hope it wasn't you who ran over Froomie's bike when he was training in the South of France?

(Sm100)

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
almostatyke (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 19:35
Congratulations to Chris Froome in winning his 4th Tour de France. Sure, he had the strongest team behind him, but that also means that any slip from the high standards expected then a similarly-talented lieutenant will take over your role.
This year it is fair to say that he has scraped the win, though winning without emptying the tank was his ambition. He has the further ambition to win the Tour of Spain. There is some history here, as he was destined to win this race a few years ago, but because Sky wanted Wiggins to win, even as Red (leader) jersey wearer he still had to work for Brad. This, unfortunately for Sky, meant they finished 2nd and 3rd.
ITV4, God bless their cotton socks for a second time, are showing daily highlights of the Vuelta (Tour of Spain) in August. Anyone who has watched previous live coverage of the Vuelta will appreciate that not only does the rain fall mainly on the plain, but boring cycling does also: highlights are the way to watch.

 
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Re: O/T Tour de France
Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
23 July, 2017 20:18
Nah, got to watch in real time, even if it does mean enduring the appalling Carlton Kirby. You can always multi-task with a spot of ironing.



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