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A third card for refs to award
Purebob (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 16:45

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Gaz (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 16:48
Dear me.........

Didn't we have white cards originally for the sinbin, with yellow and red used as in footballball?



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Re: A third card for refs to award
Rich W (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 16:56
Oh good - more fuel for the kangaroo courts!



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Re: A third card for refs to award
Johns (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 17:26
Chuter will be calling for a Pink Card just for the girls in the backs.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
bert68 (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 19:05
How about some consistancy from the irb on how refs are to use red & yellow cards would be nice before we go down this route!

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Paul Carter (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 19:25
Richie McCaw welcomes new moves re the breakdown. "Get the tackler out of the way". (Sm22)(Sm22)etc

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
SK 88 (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 19:30
More copping out from refs, brilliant.

Am I reading this right that, for instance, Chris Ashton would have been white carded against us then 5 minutes later the TMO would have told Barnes to send him off?

As with all IRB crazy mandates I can see the logic but really has any of their previous meddling actually improved the game? Why can't they just leave the rules alone?

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Tiggs (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 20:26
I read it that 1 week later they would have decided that he should have been sent off, and not during the game.



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Re: A third card for refs to award
tbtb (IP Logged)
20 February, 2012 21:38
Yes this is perhaps the most pointless invention of the IRB yet. The white card basically allows a referee to cite a player without awarding a penalty against them, if he is not sure they did it.

Since any missed foul play would be picked up by the citing officer after the game anyway, with all of his access to TV replays from multiple angles, the scheme is entirely a waste of time.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
andrew pickard (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 10:57
I think the white card is generally good idea; when there is a pile up of bodies where the ref is clear something has gone on, he can give a penalty, but also flag the incident for further investigation to determine if a harsher sanction was warranted and who precisely the offender is.

It might have affected the two Tuilagi/Ashton incidents, in that Tuilagi have been sent off and Ashton placed on report for the first, and the other way round for the second incident, because part of the sequence of events was clearly seen and the rest wasn't.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Rich W (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:11
Assuming that on either occasion the referee and his TJ actually saw what happened and acted on it rather than simply making it up because the didn't, Andrew.



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Re: A third card for refs to award
SK 88 (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:31
So presuming this is just to cite a player and not the TMO-send-off-later idea, just how is it any different to what happens now? Ref sees a red card incident: He sends player off. Ref doesn't see red card incident: It's dealt with afterwards.

So what's the point?

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
andrew pickard (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:31
Nobody can legislate for the myopia of the officials.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
SK 88 (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:43
?

I don't understand the point of this card.

If a ref sees a red card offence he will still send a player off.

If he doesn't he still won't send a player off.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
tbtb (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:50
Quote:
SK 88
So presuming this is just to cite a player and not the TMO-send-off-later idea, just how is it any different to what happens now? Ref sees a red card incident: He sends player off. Ref doesn't see red card incident: It's dealt with afterwards.
So what's the point?

There is no point whatsoever.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Rich W (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 11:53
It's intended to allow refs to bottle it isn't it? So more citings and summary convictions in the complete absence of actual evidence beyond the opinion of the unaccountable, faceless citing officers.



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Re: A third card for refs to award
dailywaffle (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 12:27
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I read it as a way of expanding the TMO's remit to include suspected foul play. And that the ref can then be informed during subsequent play.

If so, then there is a legitimate argument in its favour.

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
SK 88 (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 13:09
That is what I thought as well, so a ref would "go up stairs" for who threw a punch whilst play went on then bin/red him 2 minutes or however long later. But some people seem to think its just a citing in real time. One has merit if still another encouragement for referees to bottle it, one is just a waste of trees to make the white cards!

 
Re: A third card for refs to award
Yorkie (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 16:35
(Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)

Go on. Tell me. This is April 1st come early?

How will the ref get this card out of his pocket as he runs around?

As I understand it, the person reviewing the game (citing officer) can look at anything and everything already so how's this change anything?

Apart from letting refs bottle out of giving yellow or red cards during a game!!

Stupid. Next they'll be getting rid of one prop to give a frontrow of just 2!!



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Re: A third card for refs to award
dailywaffle (IP Logged)
21 February, 2012 23:44
Quote:
Yorkie
(Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22) (Sm22)
Go on. Tell me. This is April 1st come early?

How will the ref get this card out of his pocket as he runs around?

As I understand it, the person reviewing the game (citing officer) can look at anything and everything already so how's this change anything?

Apart from letting refs bottle out of giving yellow or red cards during a game!!

Stupid. Next they'll be getting rid of one prop to give a frontrow of just 2!!

No ... see mine and SK 88's posts. If our interpretation is correct then clearly it is a change.

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