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Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: ka ora ka mate (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 10:32

It's been suggested to me by one-who-knows that Jug's problem with drop goals and kicking away under pressure is cos his legs and arms are just too long

Makes sense to me, and not something we can easily change



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 10:52

Could this be 36's problem too then?

Although only being able to kick with one foot doesn't help!!



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: tbtb (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:00

I don't think this is right, he is just not a great kicker out of hand. Off the floor he is pretty good when not being messed around.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: flocking sheep (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:15

Off the floor when not being messed around would not be affected by the length of his legs, would it?



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Johns (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:18

Quote:
Yorkie
Could this be 36's problem too then?
Although only being able to kick with one foot doesn't help!!

Oh Yorkie, how could you say such a thing? (Sm9)(Sm73)

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: tbtb (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:20

Well I don't know that his kicking out of hand would be either.

He is roughly the same height as Priestland, Sexton and Farrell for example, who wouldn't be said to have a problem being too tall.

I think Toby's running action of something like a daddy long legs on ice makes him perhaps seem more tall and awkward than he is.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: ChrisC (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:31

It's not just overall height though is it?

You'd need to know his inside leg measurement. Now where's that nice Mr Humphries when you need him.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 11:55

Get Keeley and Jennifer to measure his inside leg when they're not working on the breakdown.

In fact, tell him that they'll only measure his inside leg if he can get his kicking percentage up beyond 80%.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: ChrisC (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 12:05

Now THAT'S what I call an incentive package!!

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: tbtb (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 12:34

Jennifer Aniston must be about 50 by now. You are sounding a bit like Bill W!

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Tiggs (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 12:38

Mature women appeal to men of a certain age, so I hear.
I think Johns, and ChrisC are probably "near" such an age ?



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Roger (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 12:54

Quote:
tbtb
Jennifer Aniston must be about 50 by now. You are sounding a bit like Bill W!

There's good 50 and bad 50.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 13:04

Isn't it a length of levers thing? Stimmo was a damn fine goal-kicker but his ocasional efforts at a drop-goal were uniformly awful, as was (like Billy) his kicking out of hand when under presure. It just takes too long to get the lever of your leg back and to swing it through the ball if you're 6 ft something or just long limbed. Whereas with place kicking you've got all the time you need to time your approach and swing through the ball. It's a little bit like how tall batsmen tend to fare less well against short pitched fast bowling because it's harder to transfer the weight, clear the arms and swing through the ball as it hurries on to you.

In Toby's case he's a pretty good goal-kicker who is having some specific problems with technique and confidence after having (for one reason or another) his technique changed 18 months ago. This is different from the fact that he just isn't very good at drop-goals and to an extent kicking from hand under pressure - which probably come down to the fact that he's quite long limbed. Imo it's using him as the main kicker in defensive situations that is the problem - the relatively simple solution is to use an alternative relieving kicker when in our own quarter The obvious, current, option is Geordan but might be Bowden or Ford in future. Leaving Tobes to work on the strategic kicking to control the game - which imo needs work.

That he doesn't swing through the ball and has no follow through in his goalkicking looks a much more important problem to me. As a long levered kicker he looks to be trying to use the short, stabbing technique of a much shorter man which he seems physiologically ill-suited to. I don't honestly think this method will ever work for him and it has certainly had a negative effect on range and accuracy with an inevitable knock on confidence.



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: ChrisC (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 13:12

I also wonder Rich if it's anything to do with that nasty groin injury he got, probably due to Aldred messing about with Toby's technique.

The mind/body can be reluctant to extend the the leg with the resultant pressure on the groin area whereas the shorter stabbing technique that you describe doesn't exert the same forces.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Roger (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 13:14

Pressure on the groin area. Nicely swung back towards Jennifer again.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: ChrisC (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 13:19

(Sm101)

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 13:34

Well it was a groin injury that he reportedly had in Autumn 2010.



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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 18:39

Although length of levers will have an impact it will be speed of muscle that makes the difference, that Usain Bolt fellow has long legs but seems to make them go round somewhat quickly.

 
Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 19:32

But he is (comparably speaking) a slow starter while he gets his long levers unwound.

I'd also argue kicking is less about fast twitch fibres in the muscles because it's less explosive than sprinting.



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Twitching like a finger
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Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
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Re: Is Jugs just too gangly?
Posted by: grannyg (IP Logged)
Date: 22 February, 2012 20:21

Driver is rarely as accurate as a PW.

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