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Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Johns (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 13:08
Ken Moss former player

Sorry guys corrected now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27/04/2012 15:30 by johns.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
james46 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 13:47
Allez allez allez

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 14:40
Wrong link John.

Not exactly a surprise though...



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I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Yorkie (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 14:47
What Rich? That john's managed to put the wrong link up!! (Sm6)



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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 14:51
(Sm163)(Sm126)



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I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Johns (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 15:35
The article I tried to link to was from Money Week, it may have come from an e-mail source and attracted the wrong link or it may be as it was money related it just got lost in Yorkie's wallet.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 15:59
It pointed at the Merc page you posted re City.



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I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
SK 88 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 16:16
Why should staying in the premiership be so important to any owner worth selling to? Your first year in the championship has no effect on your central funding, and long term a championship year has no effect on your team development, see Quins and Saints.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 16:56
Income.

Worcester had to lay off half their backroom staff when they were relegated. As I have told you before, professionalism outside the Premiership only exists at the whim of the RFU.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 17:01
It might well effect their recruitment of Haskell, Palmer and Jones - who no doubt have get outs on that score - which might in turn effect their promotion challenge - especially given that it's getting late to be recruiting alternatives.

Quins and Saints also had their own, comparatively, big stadia with their associated secondary income streams to substantiate them. Wasps don't have any of that and will be living pretty much exclusively on the parachute payment. The difference between that and what they will lose will likely be felt a lot more by a 'soccer tennant' club.

Suspect their gates (already a weak point) will suffer more than the other two did too.



...
I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 17:15
And Northampton and Harlequins have had many, many millions poured into their infrastructure by their benefactors. Even now Harlequins are barely viable.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 17:21
Not the point...



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I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
SK 88 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 17:28
If the owner isn't interested in the championship then he isn't interested in the club long term. Relegation will happen at some point to everyone.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 18:00
From the evidence relegation hasn't happened to four clubs since the leagues were formed in 1987. Also if you look at the soccer there are a number of clubs that also have never been relegated so your statement is wrong. If you can name both the rugby clubs and the soccer clubs I might give you a jelly bean.

The point is your short term revenue generation will fall sharply while one of your key assets, the players, are likely to be lost. Unless you already have a sizeable stake in the operation you are not going to put more money in. Therefore attempting to raise additional funds will be much harder if you are starting life in the Championship, a league that is so commercially unappealing that it lacks a title sponsor, than if you were in the Premiership and potentially in Europe.

Of course none of this matters if you have a benefactor like Worcester, Racing or Toulon as they will be spending money on the club irrationally and without any prospect of return.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Yorkie (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 18:51
Tigers
Bath
Wasps
Newcastle
Sale
Gloucester
Irish
Saracens

All the above have always been in the Prem since it was formed in 1997, haven't they?



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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Humble Pieman (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 19:07
Yorkie - I'll take your word for it, but league rugby didn't begin with the Premiership. Just as league (association) football did not begin in the early 1990s

Rugby's leagues began in 1987, and there was one year of professional league rugby, in 1996/7, before the Premiership rebranding. Wasps won the Courage League that season.

The four clubs who have been in the top flight since 1987 are:

Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 19:44
Here is a nice list of the clubs that have been in the top flight since 1987. Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps have always been present. Harlequins have been but for the 2005-06 season.

The saddest name on that list is the great Orrell club. The standard bearer for the north for most of my childhood. Dewi Morris on Rugby Special! Asset stripped by Wigan Rugby League.

Also for those that don't know what a Merit Table is here you go. Basically a league that wasn't a league and did not put the old duffers in the RFU nose's out of joint!

[en.wikipedia.org]

25 Bath 1988–2012
3 Bedford 1990, 1999–2000
19 Bristol 1988–1993, 1996–1998, 2000–2003, 2006–2009
1 Coventry 1988
2 Exeter 2011–2012
25 Gloucester 1988–2012
24 Harlequins 1988–2005, 2007–2012
8 Leeds 2002–2006, 2008, 2010–2011
25 Leicester 1988–2012
2 Liverpool St Helens 1989, 1991
19 London Irish 1992–1994, 1997–2012
2 London Scottish 1993, 1999
4 Moseley 1988–1992
16 Newcastle 1994, 1998–2012
20 Northampton 1991–1995, 1997–2007, 2009–2012
5 Nottingham 1988–1992
10 Orrell 1988–1997
2 Richmond 1998–1999
4 Rosslyn Park 1989–1992
2 Rotherham 2001, 2004
2 Rugby 1992–1993
19 Sale 1988, 1995–2012
21 Saracens 1990–1993, 1996–2012
25 Wasps 1988–2012
2 Waterloo 1988–1989
5 West Hartlepool 1993, 1995–1997, 1999
7 Worcester 2005–2010, 2012

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
the gaffa (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 06:30
"Basically a league that wasn't a league" no change there then. (Sm105)

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 09:35
Maybe I'll call the existing Premiership pool stage the Merit Table.



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I may paint it blue
My pink half of the drainpipe
Keeps me safe from you....

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Rich W (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:06
Excellent ruse Geezer!

The Aviva Merit Table. Nice ring to it.



...
I'll tell you what I saw him
He was sittin' behind us down at the Pantages
And whatever it is that he's got up his sleeve
I hope it isn't contagious
What's her name? Is that her there?
Christ, I think he's even combed his hair!

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