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Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Johns (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 13:08

Ken Moss former player

Sorry guys corrected now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 27/04/2012 15:30 by johns.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: james46 (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 13:47

Allez allez allez

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 14:40

Wrong link John.

Not exactly a surprise though...



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In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
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Twitching like a finger
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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 14:47

What Rich? That john's managed to put the wrong link up!! (Sm6)



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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 14:51

(Sm163)(Sm126)



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In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
Saving my money
Dreaming of glory
Twitching like a finger
On the trigger of a gun
Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Johns (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 15:35

The article I tried to link to was from Money Week, it may have come from an e-mail source and attracted the wrong link or it may be as it was money related it just got lost in Yorkie's wallet.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 15:59

It pointed at the Merc page you posted re City.



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In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
Saving my money
Dreaming of glory
Twitching like a finger
On the trigger of a gun
Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: SK 88 (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 16:16

Why should staying in the premiership be so important to any owner worth selling to? Your first year in the championship has no effect on your central funding, and long term a championship year has no effect on your team development, see Quins and Saints.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 16:56

Income.

Worcester had to lay off half their backroom staff when they were relegated. As I have told you before, professionalism outside the Premiership only exists at the whim of the RFU.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 17:01

It might well effect their recruitment of Haskell, Palmer and Jones - who no doubt have get outs on that score - which might in turn effect their promotion challenge - especially given that it's getting late to be recruiting alternatives.

Quins and Saints also had their own, comparatively, big stadia with their associated secondary income streams to substantiate them. Wasps don't have any of that and will be living pretty much exclusively on the parachute payment. The difference between that and what they will lose will likely be felt a lot more by a 'soccer tennant' club.

Suspect their gates (already a weak point) will suffer more than the other two did too.



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In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
Saving my money
Dreaming of glory
Twitching like a finger
On the trigger of a gun
Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 17:15

And Northampton and Harlequins have had many, many millions poured into their infrastructure by their benefactors. Even now Harlequins are barely viable.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 17:21

Not the point...



...
In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
Saving my money
Dreaming of glory
Twitching like a finger
On the trigger of a gun
Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: SK 88 (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 17:28

If the owner isn't interested in the championship then he isn't interested in the club long term. Relegation will happen at some point to everyone.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 18:00

From the evidence relegation hasn't happened to four clubs since the leagues were formed in 1987. Also if you look at the soccer there are a number of clubs that also have never been relegated so your statement is wrong. If you can name both the rugby clubs and the soccer clubs I might give you a jelly bean.

The point is your short term revenue generation will fall sharply while one of your key assets, the players, are likely to be lost. Unless you already have a sizeable stake in the operation you are not going to put more money in. Therefore attempting to raise additional funds will be much harder if you are starting life in the Championship, a league that is so commercially unappealing that it lacks a title sponsor, than if you were in the Premiership and potentially in Europe.

Of course none of this matters if you have a benefactor like Worcester, Racing or Toulon as they will be spending money on the club irrationally and without any prospect of return.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 18:51

Tigers
Bath
Wasps
Newcastle
Sale
Gloucester
Irish
Saracens

All the above have always been in the Prem since it was formed in 1997, haven't they?



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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Humble Pieman (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 19:07

Yorkie - I'll take your word for it, but league rugby didn't begin with the Premiership. Just as league (association) football did not begin in the early 1990s

Rugby's leagues began in 1987, and there was one year of professional league rugby, in 1996/7, before the Premiership rebranding. Wasps won the Courage League that season.

The four clubs who have been in the top flight since 1987 are:

Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps.

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Beckenham Wasp (IP Logged)
Date: 27 April, 2012 19:44

Here is a nice list of the clubs that have been in the top flight since 1987. Bath, Gloucester, Leicester and Wasps have always been present. Harlequins have been but for the 2005-06 season.

The saddest name on that list is the great Orrell club. The standard bearer for the north for most of my childhood. Dewi Morris on Rugby Special! Asset stripped by Wigan Rugby League.

Also for those that don't know what a Merit Table is here you go. Basically a league that wasn't a league and did not put the old duffers in the RFU nose's out of joint!

[en.wikipedia.org]

25 Bath 19882012
3 Bedford 1990, 19992000
19 Bristol 19881993, 19961998, 20002003, 20062009
1 Coventry 1988
2 Exeter 20112012
25 Gloucester 19882012
24 Harlequins 19882005, 20072012
8 Leeds 20022006, 2008, 20102011
25 Leicester 19882012
2 Liverpool St Helens 1989, 1991
19 London Irish 19921994, 19972012
2 London Scottish 1993, 1999
4 Moseley 19881992
16 Newcastle 1994, 19982012
20 Northampton 19911995, 19972007, 20092012
5 Nottingham 19881992
10 Orrell 19881997
2 Richmond 19981999
4 Rosslyn Park 19891992
2 Rotherham 2001, 2004
2 Rugby 19921993
19 Sale 1988, 19952012
21 Saracens 19901993, 19962012
25 Wasps 19882012
2 Waterloo 19881989
5 West Hartlepool 1993, 19951997, 1999
7 Worcester 20052010, 2012

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: the gaffa (IP Logged)
Date: 28 April, 2012 06:30

"Basically a league that wasn't a league" no change there then. (Sm105)

 
Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
Date: 28 April, 2012 09:35

Maybe I'll call the existing Premiership pool stage the Merit Table.



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Re: Wasps to be saved IF they sty in thePremiership
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 28 April, 2012 16:06

Excellent ruse Geezer!

The Aviva Merit Table. Nice ring to it.



...
In my little town
I never meant nothin'
I was just my fathers son
Saving my money
Dreaming of glory
Twitching like a finger
On the trigger of a gun
Leaving nothing but the dead and dying
Back in my little town

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