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Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Yorkie (IP Logged)
15 July, 2017 15:33
SA teams joining the Celts confirmed.

But does this mean the Italian teams bow out?

And will these 2 SA teams get places in the European Competitions?

And if North American teams join too, does it become 16?

What about the Russian or Georgian clubs?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
15 July, 2017 16:51
Point one, see quote: ''The revamp could see the league divided into two conferences of seven teams''

Point three, see quote: ''If agreed, that would see teams play their conference rivals home and away, but they are expected to also play against teams in the other conference at least once.'' ... two conferences of eight?

... Presumably now there is scope for US, Canadian, Georgian, German, Russian or any other nationality

Point two: European competition should be restricted to European teams?

But as you say, this could be a Pandora's Box



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Yorkie (IP Logged)
15 July, 2017 16:54
Could end up with two divisions of 12 rather than two "conferences" maybe?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
arh53 (IP Logged)
15 July, 2017 17:26
How can say Edinburgh, with a stadium capacity of around 5,500, afford to fly a squad of players and coaches out to SA during the season? Presumably it will be one SA team in each division so only one trip (apart form any playoffs), but it will make a big hole in their finances.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
PrestonTiger (IP Logged)
15 July, 2017 19:03
Hope the Saffer teams are awash with KrugerRand. As they will face funding a 6000 mile trip most other weelends. Without much travelling support to their place to fill the coffers.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Rich W (IP Logged)
15 July, 2017 22:55
Actually I think they'll 'tour', affording several weeks here at a time. That's what they do in 'Super Rugby '.



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Johns (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 08:03
There were moves some years ago to get a South African team into the premiership.

Then Saracens were part taken over by South Africans, is this the next step?

Could English Teams be forced out of the prem and look to the Celts for games?

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Duncan Keene (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 09:08
The point about what does this mean for Europe is a strong one. So much wailing from the unions especially Irish about the English clubs undermining Europe over the years and then they do this. Very interesting.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
SK 88 (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 09:53
Exactly, long term the value of an competition is its naturalness. An English championship and cup is natural. A European one is natural. A 5 nations in Europe plus two provincial SA towns is meaningless. Long term it won't work and won't raise money.

The growth of the game is in normal people not rugby nerds. Normal people don't know about SA and don't care. They do know Spain, Germany and Italy.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
SK 88 (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 09:57
Quote:
Duncan Keene
The point about what does this mean for Europe is a strong one. So much wailing from the unions especially Irish about the English clubs undermining Europe over the years and then they do this. Very interesting.

I've just copy and pasted this onto twitter to try and troll a few Irish people.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Barney_Gumble (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 16:34
If the SA Teams get towards the top of the Pro12/14, then I presume this means they qualify for the European Champions Cup...?

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Fat Boy (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 13:24
Quote:
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Hope the Saffer teams are awash with KrugerRand. As they will face funding a 6000 mile trip most other weelends. Without much travelling support to their place to fill the coffers.

The thing is, that's not really any different to the deal they had previously in the Super Howevermanyitgotupto, and is a lot better than the diddly squat Super rugby is offering them now. It's not really significantly further travelling from SA to Scotland, than it is to Argentina or Australia, and I think the NZ trips are even further still. In many respects travelling to Europe is better for them as we are in more or less the same time zone - so TV rights should be better as the game can be played live at a sensible time for both the home and away team's fans.

With some sensible planning to minimise travelling (i.e. I'd expect the SA teams to come over, do 3-4 away games then go back and do 3-4 at home - instead of doing the return trip every other week) there's no reason at all it can't work. And with SA having a good market for rugby already, and the teams offering a better standard than the Italians - it probably is good for the economics of the tournament and standard they play to.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Yorkie (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 18:14
Now a done deal it seems.

Big influx of cash and 2 conferences of 7. Wonder how they decide who plays in which?

No comment yet re who can qualify for European Cup. Nor how they will now qualify from their league. Top 3 from each conference?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Tiggs (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 18:46
Why should the qualification change, it can just remain the same, top teams from each nation. only change might be how you calculate the top teams, a play-off might come into play.



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Yorkie (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 20:31
One Italian team in each conference. Both finish bottom of their conference but who says who had the harder/easier conference?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Tiggs (IP Logged)
18 July, 2017 23:10
Hence a potential play-off, or just best record irrespective of groups ?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
19 July, 2017 10:29
Short sighted and short termist if you ask me.

Another opportunity for developing the game in the emerging nations gone.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Jon T (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 10:43
Nationality doesn't come into it, and there probably won't be any italian teams in the main cup ever again. Its the top seven clubs regardless of nationality from next season.

 
Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
Tiggs (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 12:39
I thought that there still had to be a min. of 1 team per nation ?



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Re: Do 12 become 14 or stay as 12?
SK 88 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 13:03
No they got rid of that for next year's cup.

It does say that they have to be from the 6N though so it will require a rule change to let the SA teams in. I hope they don't and keep its identity and history of an European competition.

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