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... a point dropped
hemelsarrie (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 17:57
I enjoyed todays game and full credit to Newcastle, thought they tackled hard and tried to play rugby, broke our line on quite few occassions and scored a good try... but i can't help feeling that we dropped a point today !

Re: ... a point dropped
Stumpy7780 (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 17:59
Our handing seemed a bit shabby today if we dropped less balls we could have scored at least one more try

Re: ... a point dropped
ChrisR (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 18:00
It's going in the right direction though and we are creating many more opportunities than last year. 2nd place in the table, 5 wins out of 6 and 22 points.

I'll take that for the first section of the Premiership.

Re: ... a point dropped
09 October, 2011 18:04
Catching practice for the next two weeks! But still a good win, and 5/6 ain't bad!

Re: ... a point dropped
MyCupRunnethOver (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 18:24
It was a lot more fun than watching England and not just because we won. Much more creativity flair, effort and general enjoyment. Shame about the bonus point but there you go...

Re: ... a point dropped
oxonsarrie (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 18:28
But 4 gained and second place in the table. Better than the Tigers whom we aspire to!!!

Re: ... a point dropped
Steve Robo (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 19:21
McCall was unhappy with the sloppy play but win's a win as said.

Did anyone else notice Gustard in the box. He was either drinking Guiness leaving a beer tache, or had a nose job with the plaster still on

Re: ... a point dropped
The Bard (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 19:26
We had plenty of possession but if you look at the closest anyone came to scoring without quite managing to it was the falcons, with one right in the corner and one next to the goalpost. They appeared not to be contesting rucks at all, meaning we had plenty of quick ball but no-one in any space to pass to. and yet again, we only tried going sideways instead of cutting back inside.

Re: ... a point dropped
hemelsarrie (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 19:57
It's almost as if we tried too hard to get the bonus point, throwing it around... where as if we had just gone through the phases, built some pressure then the 4th try surely would have come.

Re: ... a point dropped
SarrieGirl (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 20:04
Gustard played for Old Albanians 1st XV yesterday , maybe he picked up an injury ?

Re: ... a point dropped
Zoot (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 20:24
Should and could have easily been a BP win. We left a lot of tries out there today.

Re: ... a point dropped
McSaracens (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 21:17
It SHOULD have been 5 points and another half century if it weren't for sloppy handling. Saying that we're second in the table and have 5 wins on the board.

On the positive side we're 15 points clear of Tigers and 13 from Saints.

I believe it might have been said before, but there is something special happening at Saracens, and I want to be part of it. - Nils Mordt

Re: ... a point dropped
Blindside Jim (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 21:19
Try BP's? Pah 2010/2011 Champions didn't require them. Win your games, they are not the be all or end all.

Re: ... a point dropped
saracens4life (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 21:55
You're right Welwyn.

But scoring 4 tries against the likes of Newcastle would show a development in our attacking game - which was part of the problem in last year's dismal HC campaign - the area where we should be looking for real improvements this season.

Re: ... a point dropped
maynas (IP Logged)
09 October, 2011 22:54
I agree, definitely a point dropped against the weakest team in the league, too much side to side, not enough phases, and some sloppy catches. No good resting on laurels of 5 out of 6, we are still way behind Quins! HC will be a step up and we mostly have away games so will be tough to qualify, need to be able to convert territory and posession to points or we will stumbe there again.

Re: ... a point dropped
darktagnan (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 08:05
Don't share maynas's view - the main problem as I saw it was not that we were shifting the ball left & right - we were making plenty of ground with ball in hand - but I've never seen us make so many unforced handling errors. We butchered at least two good try scoring opportunities by poor passing\catching & I don't see that setting up more rucks would have been a better approach, particularly as that was the one phase of forward play where we did not dominate.
On a a positive - Joe Maddock much more involved & looking a threat.

Re: ... a point dropped
ChrisR (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 08:13
We are 5 tries up, and 2 match points up on where we were last season, when you consider that is 14 tries compared to 9, an increase of 33% (tries scored) isn't bad. We even have a try bonus point which was unheard of at this stage last season.

Should we have 2 try bonus points, probably, but the chances are being created which is a huge positive.

We are developing.

Re: ... a point dropped
Rupes (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 08:30
1. very poor handling

2. if we don't get 1st phase ball or quick ball off the breakdown, we go sideways. Repeatedly.

3. we're trying to do the right thing, just that the execution yesterday was way off and hence the last 30 minutes or so was poor.

Re: ... a point dropped
JO'G (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 10:47
One of the disadvantages of playing Owen & Brad at outside centre is that they both pass like inside centres; fast and hard.

Its great there, but not in the narrow channels close to the wing, where a soft pop-up is needed

Each time we did a side to side we made ground; when the ruck came back to the Rous side, it was around 10-15 yards further forward. Not only that but by the time 5 side to sides were up, there were gaps on the wings. We weren't always able to get to the 5th one, but every time we did there were gaps

As the hands get better in the season, we will put together more phases and will open up more gaps and score more tries

plus Charlies little darts through the 10 channel make more room for Brad

Re: ... a point dropped
Neville (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 11:25
Surely we need to vary the play from 10 a bit more. An inside ball to a winger, a move ( Bring back the Jacko wrap -around !), a kick over the top, anything to be less predictable.

It seems as though we wanted to go wide asap,and fair enough if so. But you have to keep em honest even so

Re: ... a point dropped
danilo2 (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 11:47
Definitely a point dropped.

However, some positives. The scrum was a penalty machine - there was hardly a scrum where we didn't win one! Lineout also excellent. Whole pack was very good - but Carstens and Saull really played themselves into some form.

Charlie ran the show. Shorty scored a great try, and Maddock's try was a tremendous piece of athletic finishing. Stretts also looked dangerous.

A word also for the referee, who I thought was very good (in spite of having the 'dream team' of Huckle and Mayback to 'assist' him)

Re: ... a point dropped
JO'G (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 12:57
don't have a go at Roy, he was very good to us yesterday

1. Noted Hogg's foot in touch
2. Their #5 having a pop at Brits -reversed penalty

Re: ... a point dropped
The Bard (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 13:21
The one thing they did miss was the VERY forward pass for our third try. In fairness to Newcastle, they set up exactly to counter our game. Knowing neil is unlikely to make sniping runs they did not man the rucks, and always had someone ready for Charlie's dart inside. They missed very few tackles and certainly defended much better than some teams this weekend!

Re: ... a point dropped
Blindside Jim (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 13:36
Thought Maddock had a good game, starting to settle in I guess. Hodgeson continues to impress, he's starting to get our backs firing.

Re: ... a point dropped
GerryK (IP Logged)
10 October, 2011 13:50
Though it has proved to be a great option in the opening games there is some risk of overuse of the Hodgson/Farrell/Barrit combination, can ruin the surprise factor and allow some teams to gear themselves up to take account of it. Would suggest that a bit more judicious use is likely to bring even greater rewards

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