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Maro
#wolfpack (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 22:04
Being reported another club has offered him £850,000 a season and when his contract is up for renewal we might need to offer him £1m.

Blimey.

Do a whip around? I'll chip in a tenner.

 
Re: Maro
derbyshire fan (IP Logged)
16 July, 2017 22:23
wow - I am sure he deserves serious money; but sounds pretty bad if someone is tapping him up while there is still two years left on his contract

 
Re: Maro
Seany_Boy0511 (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 06:39
This is crazy.... Fair play to the lad but I don't like the sound of being used by the same group as Gareth Bale... I hope Maro stays true to his own and sees a long career with Saracens... In my opinion if he goes to France (which hopefully he won't)then his international career should be over all this nonsense on special circumstances rules for overseas players will unfortunately bring us I to football style and will ultimately effect our national team... We as a Rugby community must not allow that to happen...

 
Re: Maro
Huxley (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 08:28
Where is this info coming from?

Having talked to Maro a couple of times, I don't see money as his main motivation, he is a highly competitive guy, and while he obviously deserves to get as much money as he can, I think winning things and being the best are his main drivers. Other clubs would be mad not to try and sign him, but he could only talk to overseas clubs at the moment, and I just don't see that happening at this stage in his international career. I think his contract may get renewed sooner than needed to keep him on a good financial level, but I can't see him doing too badly at the moment. He must be on a good wage at Sarries, probably earns at least £100k from England, I'm not sure what the lions paid players, but if you include the money he is getting from advertising, I wouldn't be surprised if he is earning near a million a season already. Having worked in marketing he is an advertisers dream, and I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the highest paid player in rugby at some point.

 
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To Mega Therion (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 08:43
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#wolfpack
Being reported another club has offered him £850,000 a season and when his contract is up for renewal we might need to offer him £1m.
Blimey.

Do a whip around? I'll chip in a tenner.

Source?



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Re: Maro
Dolph42 (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 08:50
Huxley - absolutely he is extremely marketable (Maximuscle and Adidas at present IIRC) and he deserves to earn as much money as he can in what can be a short career.

He earned £75k from the Lions and England pays £22k per match so OTE approx. £250k if he plays all the matches.

Saracens aren't exactly cheap as our detractors like to remind us so I don't foresee him receiving an offer significantly higher from another AP club, so while I'm sure the club are already thinking of when and how much to extend him by as supporters it's not something to worry about.

 
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#wolfpack (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 09:14

 
Re: Maro
Gryff (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 09:16
The original source was a Fissler piece in The Rugby Paperthe only real facts being that he was signed until 2019 and that a prem Club had offered £850K before his last renewal.

 
Re: Maro
To Mega Therion (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 09:19
So neither source very credible, then.



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Re: Maro
Huxley (IP Logged)
17 July, 2017 09:41
Dolph- completely agree. I'm all for players earning as much as they can. They talk about Lomu being the first global rugby player brand, and I don't see any reason that that Maro can't be. I already know non-rugby fans (not friends of course, I wouldn't hang out with such types) who love him!

Personally think we'll be seeing him in the sarries colours for a long time.

 
Re: Maro
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 08:47
I honestly would not worry too much about this rumor tbh, I have spoken to the lad several times and he completely loves sarries and loves living in London, he has been here since he was 14 and he is not going anywhere. His family is here, all his friends are here and i can't see him moving anytime soon. Money does not appear to motivate him at all and i know he wants to play for a long time with England, sarries and the lions and ever since he has been part of the senior team, he has won a trophy with sarries, he is not going anywhere. As for the rumour of making £1m a year, that is totally valid but all of the money will not come from us, we will probably offer him a new deal that will make him the highest paid forward in rugby next year, he earns about £250k from England and that number will go up soon with the players starting negotiations with the RFU over match fees and his endorsement portfolio continues to rise with Maximuscle, Adidas, Vitality, Ricoh etc

 
Re: Maro
Coughie (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 10:06
He will always remain a man of the people in the finest SOAS tradition.

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Re: Maro
Huxley (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 11:01

 
Re: Maro
Coughie (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 11:15
Fake news?



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Re: Maro
Stumpy7780 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 11:27
The last line “The RFU would then have a dilemma and could have to evoke their exceptional circumstances rule on players playing abroad.” is such rubbish. The whole point of the rule is to stop people going abroad so if they played the "exceptional circumstances" card then there would be no point in the rule as money is not a exceptional circumstance. Especially as they have never done that before.

 
Re: Maro
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 12:05
He is not going anywhere and certainly not to France, the RFU is not invoking the clause, this is just a rumor that's going round since there are no games yet and we need something to fill the time before the season starts. I am not worried about this story at all

 
Re: Maro
tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 12:07
Doesn't 'exceptional circumstances' apply to the player being 'exceptional' and therefore a necessary part of the team? Surely not the circumstances under which the player moved abroad.(Sm26)

 
Re: Maro
Dolph42 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 12:09
Fissler has a good track record on these types of stories so it's highly likely that the numbers quoted are 'accurate' in the sense that he's been provided them by someone in the agency business, though they lack detail i.e. RFU and sponsor income.

However, the 'insider' will have his or her own motivation for getting the story published and embellishing their numbers. Agents and players will be delighted to see these numbers as it will mean the top players will all be asking for more money, clubs can refuse but there will always be the risk that a club is willing to pay over the odds for top talent.

Also the notion that Maro is not motivated by money is incorrect, it might not be his primary or even secondary motivator but he's not going to play for free either. He'll want a fair market rate once his other motivators have been satisfied.

 
Re: Maro
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 13:19
Of course he will want a fair market rate and sarries is not exactly known for short changing people, his next contract like i said earlier will most likely make him the highest paid forward in rugby, it just won't be £1m

 
Re: Maro
SaintED (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 13:45
Stellar management stirring the pot would be my guess. If ever a home grown player looks likely to command that sort of cash you'd suggest if was Itoje.I hope he stays in the Premiership and if he's made captain who knows he might even be a "lifer" at Sarries smiling smiley

 
Re: Maro
Pimpernel44 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 14:29
Sounds like run-of-the-mill Windbag Fissler "insider" bolleaux to me. Anyway, anyone who says "evoke" when they mean "invoke" clearly doesn't have the grey matter of a garden slug and hence can safely be ignored.

 
Re: Maro
Huxley (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 14:51
For "insider" read Agent. This is the groundwork that agents put in to ensure their clients get the best deal. I'm not sure that "World class rugby player will earn more when contract is up for renewal",is a story. In next weeks' Rugby Paper "Water is Wet, and Sun is Hot."

 
Re: Maro
Roger G (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 15:14
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Dolph42
Fissler has a good track record on these types of stories...

(Sm22)(Sm49)...that second emoji is aimed at one of the names mentioned in your post, not you Dolph of course, and not Maro!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 19/07/2017 16:11 by Roger G.

 
Re: Maro
Dolph42 (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 15:39
Quote:
Roger G
(Sm22)(Sm49)...that second emoji is aimed at one of the names mentioned in your post, not you Dolph of course, and not Maro!

Haha fair enough. From a Sarries perspective I just remember him breaking the Loz, Conlon and Stretts (to Clermont) signings weeks before anyone else, I don't follow all his stories but he also had the likes of Devoto and Kvesic first. Whatever you think he's clearly got an inside line with agents, players, clubs etc which allows him to break those stories.

 
Re: Maro
Roger G (IP Logged)
19 July, 2017 16:13
You may be right but IMHO he either makes up the numbers IMHO, or naively believes grossly inflated figures from agents.

 
Re: Maro
Moaning (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 11:43
Money talks very loudly when a carrier in rugby can end in a second, Short playing carrers maximum payback im affraid.

 
Re: Maro
RossM (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 12:16
Money talks very loudly when a carrier (sic) in rugby can end in a second, Short playing carrers (sic) maximum payback im affraid.

Third time lucky? Just to give you a hint - 'career' is the word you are looking for.

We (Wasps) are rumoured to be losing Matt Symons and are probably looking for a replacement lock. Do you think Maro would like Coventry? smiling smiley

 
Re: Maro
The Bard (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 13:04
We’ll find out on Sunday! Where is Symonds off to?

 
Re: Maro
Rolls (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 13:06
Of course money talks, but Coventry? Quantitative easing regarding the fee would pale into insignificance. No, in a word. He wouldn’t!

 
Re: Maro
LutonS (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 13:09
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RossM
Do you think Maro would like Coventry? smiling smiley

Do you think anybody likes Coventry? [:wor kid:]

 
Re: Maro
AP (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 13:42
The "exceptional circumstances" clause was ruled out when Steffon Armitage was an obvious candidate for the England back row when he was at his peak in France.

I'd think that it's not intended to let England assure someone who's moved for the money that he will continue to be picked (unlike the wild cards Wales had) but rather would cover an exceptional crisis (say, Ford, Farrell both out injured this November, so bring in Cipriani from wherever in France he then is) or an exceptional situation (say, Marcus Smith had moved with his family to France rather than to England and had played all his rugby there).



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Re: Maro
Waldo (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 16:19
The fact is it's the agents role to get as much value for their asset because that also means they get a fat wallet too.

I imagine there will be a lot of pressure on the lad to take the money.

 
Re: Maro
RossM (IP Logged)
04 January, 2018 16:24
Matt Symons (note spelling) is rumoured to be bound for The Stoop. Don't know if it's true though. Currently injured.

Matt's very interesting and humourous blog giving an insight into the drudgery of recovering from a serious rugby injury, well worth a read, can be found here:

Matt Symons Blog



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Re: Maro
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 12:00
Quote:
RossM
Matt's very interesting and humourous blog giving an insight into the drudgery of recovering from a serious rugby injury, well worth a read, can be found here:

Matt Symons Blog

Very amusing!

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Should this belong on the Will Skelton thread? winking smiley



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Re: Maro
primavesi (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 12:31
He wont go to France, but I would not be surprised if Wasps made him an offer that we could not match and that he could not refuse. Anyway, that is all a long way off.

 
Re: Maro
Moorio_Wasp (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 19:15
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primavesi
He wont go to France, but I would not be surprised if Wasps made him an offer that we could not match and that he could not refuse. Anyway, that is all a long way off.

As a wasps fan, mind if I ask you what makes you suggest so? Not that im offended, but I sit here worrying about whether we will be able to provide the contracts certain players e.g. Cipriani will demand, and you suggest we can sign one of Englands (imo) best 2 forwards (especially considering we already have the other, especially considering he plays for you guys who are definitely not poor.

 
Re: Maro
primavesi (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 20:11
I think looking at the makeup of the two squads Wasps have more flexibility to free up a large enough chunk of the salary cap to make a huge offer. Sarries have the problem that quite a few of their English players have seen their value rise considerably since they last signed a contract, and there is only room for so many pay rises. I see this as less of an issue at Wasps looking at your squad. Obviously I hope I am wrong.

 
Re: Maro
Roger G (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 21:34
Any particular reason why this thread has been revived after being dormant for six months? Have I missed a new rumour?

 
Re: Maro
boomer! (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 22:24
How does things like this work?

If Saracens were to offer him £1mm per annum would they own the rights to market him? Thus a few lucrative advertising deals could cover his £1mm tag.

 
Re: Maro
Squawker2 (IP Logged)
05 January, 2018 23:06
Other than actual advertising for the club (as in promoting Sarries/England etc etc), I've not heard of instances in English rugby of marketing being like this - players own their marketing rights. It would be a little messy since certain players would have extra, unpredictable, levels of work. To satisfy this you'd have to pay extra for it...taking more salary cap etc.



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Re: Maro
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
06 January, 2018 15:13
Quote:
Squawker2
Other than actual advertising for the club (as in promoting Sarries/England etc etc), I've not heard of instances in English rugby of marketing being like this - players own their marketing rights. It would be a little messy since certain players would have extra, unpredictable, levels of work. To satisfy this you'd have to pay extra for it...taking more salary cap etc.

The player could sell his marketing rights to a Lesotho-registered company - that's not salary. The stage payments to the player might last only as long as the player was employed by Sarnies (break clause)!

Lesotho isn't very hot on corporate transparency ((Sm22).

Hypothetically, of course!



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Re: Maro
tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
06 January, 2018 15:42
Sarnies

TT, is he fronting a sandwich company?(Sm126)

 
Re: Maro
JO'G (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 12:51
I would not be surprised if Maro is extended in the same way as Owen was to keep him at Sarries for 5 years. speaking to Nigel he likes these sort of contracts.

Don't forget, with Nick coming through in the second row; the pressure to keep him isn't as critical as perhaps it was 12 months ago. If however, playing for Sarries meant you didn't get trophies and priority for England - then thats more likely to change a players mind.

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Re: Maro
Adey (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 15:04
Sometimes I wonder if it’s wise to tie the younger players down for such long contracts. The rugby watching world is fully aware how good Maro, Faz and Billy are so yes it makes sense to lock them in long term.

But the attritional nature of the sport can lead to long injury lay offs and early retirement. This is especially prevalent when players are young stars and peak very early. Faz has a 5 yer contract but then could be like JBW and be out for 3/4 years of it.

As you point out JOG, as long as we’re winning things people want to be here. And when we don’t? Players on long term contracts who don’t really want to be there, taking up chunks of the cap, potentially stopping you being able to afford an important signing.

If players love being at Sarries so much they’ll either stay, or go somewhere else get some new experiences and come back.

 
Re: Maro
Roger G (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 17:07
It's the risk of injury, and curtailment of playing career that might make long-term contracts attractive to players. There will certainly be get out clauses to release money back to the cap if the worst happens, but Sarries have a very long track record of looking after injured players, and of helping them into life after rugby - maybe those will be in the small print as well.

 
Re: Maro
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 18:32
Not only do Sarries have a noble record of looking after injured players, there is also the regime of allowing a club to sign an injury replacement without breaking the cap. This is of little help to those clubs who have little spare cash...

... Any club which has deeper pockets may appear more attractive both to the injured player and, perhaps, to his replacement.



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Re: Maro
Adey (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 19:46
To clarify, I’m fully aware how supportive Sarries are of injured players and that you get dispensation in the cap for injuries.

But say for instance, Faz goes the way of Jonny and gets a series of long term injuries, and he’s tied in for 5 years, we’ve still got to pay him during that time not to mention recruiting cover. Season by season cover doesn’t allow for consistency in a key positon and you’re reliant on who is available to cover.

 
Re: Maro
Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
07 January, 2018 20:16
I think based on the age of the players, Maro and Billy will probably get 5 year contract extensions, Maro will not even be 30 at the end of his 5 years extension so it makes total sense to sign him to a long term deal and i think that's what the club will do for both Maro and Billy

 
Re: Maro
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
08 January, 2018 16:03
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Sarnies
TT, is he fronting a sandwich company?(Sm126)

I am a victim of autocorrect, cariad.

If I had switched of the auto learning option, it would have accepted 'Sarries', however, I fear what else of my vocabulary, it might then insert!



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