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Quote:Huxley
7 week ban. Mitigating circumstances are that he plays for Quins, and isn’t Ashton....
In the words of the RFU, “it was an intentional act, but he didn’t cause an injury”, so reduced ban.
Quote:Highbury Saracen
I think Ashy was european city body too!
Never same outcome
Quote:King Zak
Looks like his first game back could be against - Saracens!
Quote:Quinten Poulsen
I have no idea how anyone can say this was worse then Ashton's. Ashton grabbed a bloke by the face and threw him on the floor for heaven's sake!
Quote:Huxley
I’m sorry Fartheralice, but in the nature of a good spirited debate, that’s not completely true. While there is a reduction in sentence if the person pleaded guilty, it is not automatically halved. Where I feel the ban is leinient is that it was considered intentional but only considered entry as no injury was caused, in world rugby laws an intentional act shouldn’t be entry level, it should be mid point. Additionally world rugby have asked that an extra week be added for eye gouging, it wasn’t.
I agree that Ashton should have pleaded guilty, but there were other factors, and intention did not play the same role. When Kruis was accused of contact with the eye during a maul against Bath it was thrown out as rugby incident as it was unintentional. By the letter of their laws it was contact with the eyes, but no ban given as accidental. I’m not saying that Ashton’s wasn’t reckless, but it wasn’t intentional, and no injury was caused, which wasn’t a factor as it was this time
I’m not saying Ash shouldn’t have been banned, just that there should be consistency across punishments.
Quote:RFU judgement on Callum Clarke v Hawkins incident
There are no aggravating features and all of the standard mitigating factors are
present. The Player is genuinely contrite, he realises the damage done to an individual
and to the wider image of the Game, he admitted culpability at the earliest opportunity
and he undoubtedly wishes to make reparation for his offending. He is, therefore,
entitled to 50% discount from that entry point which leads me to conclude that the
appropriate sanction is a suspension of 32 weeks. Since this is a long sanction it will
run continuously through the summer vacation without a break.
Quote:19.11.11 Thereafter, a Disciplinary Panel shall identify all relevant off-field mitigating
factors and determine if there are grounds for reducing the period of
suspension and subject to Regulations 19.11.12 and 19.11.13 the extent, if at
all, by which the period of suspension should be reduced. Mitigating factors
include the following:
(a) The presence and timing of an acknowledgment of culpability/guilt
by the offending Player;
(b) The Player’s disciplinary record and/or good character;
(c) The youth and inexperience of the Player;
(d) The Player’s conduct prior to and at the hearing;
(e) The Player having demonstrated remorse for the Player’s conduct to
the victim Player including the timing of such remorse; and
(f) Any other off-field mitigating factor(s) that the Disciplinary Panel
considers relevant and appropriate.
19.11.12 Subject to Regulations 19.11.13 and 19.11.14 for acts of Foul Play the
Disciplinary Panel cannot apply a greater reduction than 50% of the relevant
entry point suspension. In assessing the percentage reduction applicable
for mitigating factors, the Disciplinary Panel shall start at 0% reduction and
apply the amount, if any, to be allowed as mitigation up to the maximum
50% reduction.
Quote:JO'G
The thing that annoys me about this whole judgement is that Sinkler pleads guilty to get the reduction and immediately goes to the press and says it wasn't intentional which was the finding of the board
This comment basically negates his guilty plea - so get that reduction removed
Quote:Quinten Poulsen
Which particular inconsistencies?
Quote:TOKSQuote:Quinten Poulsen
Which particular inconsistencies?
Well done people! I was afraid someone was going to take the bait!
Quote:Man from LA
Fair play to Sinckler, at least he owned up to breaking the rules. Better that than pretending it never happened even when everyone can see rules have been broken.
Quote:Quinten PoulsenQuote:TOKSQuote:Quinten Poulsen
Which particular inconsistencies?
Well done people! I was afraid someone was going to take the bait!
Just to be clear - did you have any inconsistencies in mind or did you just post it so that someone would ask a question about it?
Quote:Sara'sman
Adey - your cynicism/realism could be a real asset to our board, reigning back our more myopic/excessive posts, balancing our tendency to get carried away by our support for our team. May I ask that you think about the tone of your posts? Please consider presenting your viewpoint in a less confrontational manner. And avoid personal insults whatever the perceived provocation - something I'm not always good at doing!
This is generally a friendly, welcoming board with very few ongoing arguments. I'd hate to see it degenerate to a clone of the Quins board. Please have a look at TOK's reply to QP as an example of how to make balanced posts.
Quote:TOKS
I did have inconsistencies in mind, QP, and if you think really really hard you could probably make an informed guess as to which ones they are.
You make several good points and are always welcome on this board. Unfortunately we have a slight male chicken problem at the moment, both of whom have raised their beak during this thread, and hopefully will disappear soon. Please don't allow yourself to get tarred with the same brush as your views are always welcome.