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Nigel Wray fires broadside
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 16:55
I couldn't agree more.

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Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Mac L (IP Logged)
12 December, 2017 19:36
I sat in front of Nigel (at least until he moved at half time) at the game and he did not look happy, even before a ball had been kicked or handled.

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Innings (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 00:41
It amazes me how many professional sports bodies seem to have amateur standards of management. If I were running a club like Sarries or Clermont I'd be fed up with the amateur managing body too.



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Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Eif Jones (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 10:07
Saracens had it easy compared to Neath many years ago.

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Rupes (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 10:43
The interesting one for EPCR to answer is what has happened to the Match Commissioner. He is the person responsible for the operation of the fixture, so will have had direct liaison with the governing body.

Or he SHOULD have done. And the clubs SHOULD have gone through him.

If they didn't feel they could, or there wasn't one appointed, then that's a much bigger governance issue for EPCR.

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
AlanE (IP Logged)
13 December, 2017 13:32
That's a blast from the past, Rupes. It's been a while since I heard of one of them.

Did the match commissioner disappear with the change of governance over the competition?



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Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Rupes (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 08:32
They still exist! Certainly in football with UEFA (which is the sweetest gig going, if you get the right match), with the RFL, with the PL Football and I suspect EPCR/Prem Rugby as well.

Their roles have changed over the years, for sure, but they still exist.

I must admit, I do wonder if a so-called smaller rugby club such as (insert name of club you want to wind up here) would have behaved in the same way as Saracens and Clermont, in terms of firing off at the competition organisers.

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Pimpernel44 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 10:26
I don't doubt what Nigel says about EPCR mucking things up in this instance, but I'm puzzled by this comment, in which he seems to dismiss the whole principle of having governing bodies:

"My views on organisations like EPCR and the RFU is that they’re all chaotic. I don’t think they work and this is another example of why."

Nigel was a leading voice in getting rid of the previous Heineken Cup organising body (a creature of the Unions) and setting up the new body (EPCR) a creature of the clubs. He got what he wanted, but now he seems to be saying he doesn't want it!

Baffling. He needs to say how he would prefer to see these tournaments organised if he doesn't like the way it's done now (despite him being a leading player in setting it up).

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Roger G (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 11:21
IIRC the set up of EPRC was a bit of a compromise, removing the unions from the equation and replacing them with the league bodies, but largely retaining the internal admin structures, and many of the staff, of the Heineken. I think Nigel would've been in favour of an even more radical shake-up at the time.

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 12:09
Quote:
Pimpernel44

Nigel was a leading voice in getting rid of the previous Heineken Cup organising body (a creature of the Unions) and setting up the new body (EPCR) a creature of the clubs. He got what he wanted, but now he seems to be saying he doesn't want it!


I don't think that's what he's saying at all. He's simply saying they're chaotic (hard to argue against) not that he doesn't want them. He's saying he doesn't want them to be chaotic! Which frankly is pretty reasonable. More of a call to buck their performance up.

I could without fear of contradiction say the government is chaotic; doesn't mean I don't want the government smoking smiley

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Roger G (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 12:25
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GazzaFez
I could without fear of contradiction say the government is chaotic; doesn't mean I don't want the government smoking smiley

Now there's a topic best left un-discussed on these boards!! (Sm137)

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
Pimpernel44 (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 16:46
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GazzaFez
He's simply saying they're chaotic (hard to argue against) not that he doesn't want them. He's saying he doesn't want them to be chaotic!

Plainly that is not what he said. What he said (paraphrasing) is that they are necessarily chaotic, that it is in the nature of the beast. They can't be necessarily chaotic and yet not chaotic!

 
Re: Nigel Wray fires broadside
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
14 December, 2017 20:06
Quote:
Pimpernel44
Quote:
GazzaFez
He's simply saying they're chaotic (hard to argue against) not that he doesn't want them. He's saying he doesn't want them to be chaotic!

Plainly that is not what he said. What he said (paraphrasing) is that they are necessarily chaotic, that it is in the nature of the beast. They can't be necessarily chaotic and yet not chaotic!

Perfectly happy to agree to disagree but your interpretation doesn't resonate with me.

What we can all agree on is that no one and in particular EPCR, came out of this episode smelling of roses.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 14/12/2017 20:07 by GazzaFez.


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