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Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Comfortably Dumb (IP Logged)
31 July, 2018 09:39
Have moved from E4 to West upper. I'll miss having space to actually put my legs somewhere, but oh well.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
31 July, 2018 12:20
Quote:
Comfortably Dumb
Have moved from E4 to West upper. I'll miss having space to actually put my legs somewhere, but oh well.

Should that not trigger an "un" to precede your username Mr D? (Sm6)

Though the ST changes don't affect me I still struggle to understand how the club could implement the changes with so little thought or concern to their loyal long term fans. The (lack of) communication is disgraceful. Most of us understand the need to raise more income but the lack of empathy from the hierarchy at the club is disgraceful. And platinum in the rain will prove a challenging sale.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
31 July, 2018 13:52
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Graeme D
You will only be able to say it is a poor business decision if those seats remain empty on match days throughout the season. If they are always filled up by one off attendees who will almost certainly spend money in the shop and other outlets then it will have been a good business decision.
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There are no circumstances, without exception, where it is a "good business decision" to p@ss off a significant percentage of your long-standing and repeat customers. Any possible new customers are likely to be fickle by comparison.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
kakshaks (IP Logged)
31 July, 2018 21:54
The seats will always have bums in them because if they are empty after 10 minutes, people on the touchline or in other not so central seats simply wander up and use them. Seen it for the last 2 seasons and there is no one to stop them.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
GerryK (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 07:42
Believe it or not but I actually received a response from Mitesh Velani CEO to an email of mine in which I complained both about the price hike but primarily about the complete lack of effective communication by the club with longstanding STH's.

To give credit to Mitesh, his reply was comprehensive and did go someway to explain the rationale behind the decisions. I did comment further that the club could have saved itself a lot of agony and upset if it had taken the trouble to communicate the changes more effectively.

I am unable to post his email on the messageboard. Don't know if it is possible and if it is, do not possess the technical nous to do it.

However, the bones of his reply were as follows:

The senior management have addressed our concerns re communication and process, and have done this primarily via the auspices of the joint venture with Premier Team Promotions, a company owned by Lucy Wray,resulting in changes to the commercial structures and personnel of the club

The re-categorisation of seats affects 20% of seats in the East Stand,purely because everyone wants to sit on or close to the halfway line and consequently there is a demand and supply issue.

Whilst the club would never would not expect fans to fully finance the playing side it has reached a point where there is a need to make the club more financially sustainable

The demand for seats in the East Stand continues to grow

The club has also revised the pricing for box holders and hospitality clients in the East Stand (as again it has sold out and there are waiting lists

There is recognition that the changes have caused concern and upset.

Just wanted to make sure that folks realize that I am simply the messenger on this occasion and the above does not necessarily reflect my personal views

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Rupes (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 10:55
There's some very interesting stuff in there Gerry, thanks for sharing.

The thing that gets me about it all is it was/is all avoidable. And it didn't take a genius to work out that putting prices up and not communicating effectively would hack off a lot of people.

So rather than putting it all right now (which is, incidentally, virtually impossible), acknowledge that we shouldn't have been here in the first place. Then get rid of the company who put the club in this position as they will likely have missed their SLAs by an absolute mile.

In other news, porcine squad not expected to be seen flying any time soon...

The other theme which shines through is that revenues needed to change, hence the comments about hospitality / box charges. It's not unusual or unreasonable for a club to want to make as much money as possible (!), but it's the first time we've really seen it laid out. Will be really interesting to see what the occupancy rates of boxes / hosp / seats are etc... for the first few games.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Waldo (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 11:14
The Hospitality comment is interesting .

I was talking to our Marketing Manager this morning who has just had to cancel a planned corporate event - it wasn't that the interest wasn't there from the individuals invited but that their company policies have changed recently and they aren't allowed to attend.

She said it's getting increasingly difficult to get attendees for many sporting events due to the monetary value exceeding many companies policies.

She is having to consider things that are more low value .

I doubt Saracens Hospitality fits that mould though.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
AlanE (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 11:51
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Waldo
The Hospitality comment is interesting .
I was talking to our Marketing Manager this morning who has just had to cancel a planned corporate event - it wasn't that the interest wasn't there from the individuals invited but that their company policies have changed recently and they aren't allowed to attend.

She said it's getting increasingly difficult to get attendees for many sporting events due to the monetary value exceeding many companies policies.

She is having to consider things that are more low value .

I doubt Saracens Hospitality fits that mould though.

It seems to be a (presumably unintended) consequence of the Bribery Act which has significant personal implications for company directors and is thus focussing minds (a little late as this has been in for a while now).



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Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Roger G (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 15:27
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GerryK
Believe it or not but I actually received a response from Mitesh Velani CEO to an email of mine in which I complained both about the price hike but primarily about the complete lack of effective communication by the club with longstanding STH's.
To give credit to Mitesh, his reply was comprehensive and did go someway to explain the rationale behind the decisions. I did comment further that the club could have saved itself a lot of agony and upset if it had taken the trouble to communicate the changes more effectively.

I am unable to post his email on the messageboard. Don't know if it is possible and if it is, do not possess the technical nous to do it.

However, the bones of his reply were as follows:

The senior management have addressed our concerns re communication and process, and have done this primarily via the auspices of the joint venture with Premier Team Promotions, a company owned by Lucy Wray,resulting in changes to the commercial structures and personnel of the club

The re-categorisation of seats affects 20% of seats in the East Stand,purely because everyone wants to sit on or close to the halfway line and consequently there is a demand and supply issue.

Whilst the club would never would not expect fans to fully finance the playing side it has reached a point where there is a need to make the club more financially sustainable

The demand for seats in the East Stand continues to grow

The club has also revised the pricing for box holders and hospitality clients in the East Stand (as again it has sold out and there are waiting lists

There is recognition that the changes have caused concern and upset.

Just wanted to make sure that folks realize that I am simply the messenger on this occasion and the above does not necessarily reflect my personal views

Gerry, glad you got a response but what you've posted as the CEO's words only confirm IMHO what we already knew. They don't, however, give any rational explanation as to why they chose to pi$$ off 20% of customers big-time, rather than everybody a bit (e.g by moving everybody 10 seats further away from the centre line).

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Jim 55 (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 17:12
Complete and utter BS from him I'm afraid. How on earth does his comment about seats being upgraded close to the centre rhyme with E2 and E7 inside the 22 suffering the same increase.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Coughie (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 17:47
Refined Timmy economical with the actualité last night?

Shirley Nott!



~ You never knowingly let the facts get in the way of the story. ~

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
london pride (IP Logged)
01 August, 2018 18:15
And a good percentage of those seats still remain unsold.I wonder what reason for the 40% hike in parking permit prices.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2018 18:16 by london pride.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
BigBri (IP Logged)
13 August, 2018 12:22
Only catching up on this thread now and decided to renew for one more season before calling it a day. We have moved in E4 to closer to centre line as there are now plenty of spaces.

I renewed as I go to rugby with my mates and if I had gone to standing on my own and picking and choosing matches I think I would have attended very few matches.

As much as I have tried the sour taste has not left and I refuse to purchase any merchandise this year i.e new shirt and don't intend to spend much on the p*ss poor beer that is served in the main bar. I am intending to arrive later and leave earlier.

They still get my money because of the increase but that will be reduced by my spending elsewhere at the club.

This feels like a last hurrah and a long goodbye to Sarrie. Hopefully we will go out on a high in Newcastle next May.



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Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Coughie (IP Logged)
13 August, 2018 13:21
Best of luck with next season Bri. My patience with the Club ran out a good while ago.

Re Parking: IIRC scarcity is the reason for 40% increase. Tim said there are 1000 spaces and demand exceeds supply.

I did think that was very odd with a max capacity of 10,000 that 1000 parking spaces weren’t enough.

After all, I made a magnificent egalitarian gesture by giving the chauffeur the day off and leaving the Bentley in Islington; I had to endure Pubic Transport.



~ You never knowingly let the facts get in the way of the story. ~

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Paulr58 (IP Logged)
13 August, 2018 14:03
Anybody got the e-mail address for Mitesh Velani ?

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
MarchingIn (IP Logged)
14 August, 2018 10:54
As an outsider looking in, I think this whole situation is really symptomatic of the shortcomings of Allianz Park to be honest.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
14 August, 2018 18:20
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MarchingIn
As an outsider looking in, I think this whole situation is really symptomatic of the shortcomings of Allianz Park to be honest.

Disappointed to read this MarchingIn, would you care to expand?

Few of us think it perfect, but there's a great deal we like. From the quick, regular, free shuttles, the warmth of the welcome from our Pioneers, the great sight lines of the East Stand, the atmosphere of the North, the variety and quality of food and drink (not what it once was, but still better than every other Premiership ground I've visited), the room to "gather" and for kids to play, two rugby clubs with beer, food and fires on the doorstep, …

For what its worth, despite my 100% losing record I've always thoroughly enjoyed my trips to the Stoop. Though before you all deserted SportsNetwork I read a seemingly endless stream of complaints of interrupted views, small dark replay screens, screaming kids, poor beer, no access to better bars, declining quality of the Jolly Hog, ….

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
14 August, 2018 20:47
Doesn't the name indicate 'Marchingin' is more than likely a visitor from that place up the M1 a short way? Not known for appreciating anything Saracens.(Sm151)

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
ninjafez (IP Logged)
14 August, 2018 22:08
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tpr's headmistress
Doesn't the name indicate 'Marchingin' is more than likely a visitor from that place up the M1 a short way? Not known for appreciating anything Saracens.(Sm151)

Agreed, in fact when was the last time we actually played quin's at Azp grinning smiley



Ninjafez - supporting Sarries and cleaning their signs since 2006!

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Rupes (IP Logged)
15 August, 2018 10:04
Sara'sman - I think you hit the nail on the head, albeit possibly not as you meant to, when you say "Few of us think it's perfect, but there's a great deal we like". I don't disagree with that by the way.

It's the phrase "Few of us think it's perfect". All sports clubs have supporters who could say that about their own ground, fact. However, I think AP is actually one of those places where you have to turn up with that open mind about things not being right! With the limitations which Saracens have there which have been imposed, then the match day experience is probably not going to change any time soon unless it's in the ground (eg better beer, for example, you cannot change the transport plan).

So I understand when MarchingIn says "symptomatic of the shortcomings...." - it isn't perfect, nor will it ever be, so we have to make do as there will always be shortcomings. I cannot work out in my own mind how sustainable that is over time, in terms of building a strong supporter base, monetising it and making it financially viable.


Now, back to those Unsold Platinum Seats and a discussion on how issues such as this could be avoided by the club understanding that it's maybe not great business sense to hack their support base off and then try a charm offensive to win them all back! (btw Coughie, magnificent gesture re the Bentley)

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Coughie (IP Logged)
20 August, 2018 00:28
Rupes, a shame to go back on topic. I could have told you about my plan be to create the Saracens Turnip Club, an extremely downmarket alternative to the Tulip Club but an ideal home for all the peasants. Among the benefits of joining would be a turnip and half a stale loaf and a letter informing members how fortunate they were to be oppressed by the Oligarchs....

Back on Topic, I expect variable pricing for unsold seats. Like Football, Categories A, B and C etc.

Future Cat A games eg v Munster in European Cup - all tickets could be sold at inflated prices to Munster folk providing you don't mind Munster turning AzP into a home fixture - Munster did it to Harlequins at the Stoop a few years back. Maybe Leinster and Ulster supporters would pay over the odds for a decent seat.

Cat B and C just lower prices until folks buy tickets - obviously you can't lower prices to the level of the Gold category...


And increased market segmentation - hospitality packages etc. Some rich asswipe who has never played a game of rugby in his life will acquire a signed sweaty and exclusive jockstrap to frame as part of his package ooh err missus....



~ You never knowingly let the facts get in the way of the story. ~

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Coughie (IP Logged)
20 August, 2018 00:45
And a big thank you to our social media Doris. Ethel informs me via her blog that Owen Farrell's cat is currently being treated for Piles.

That really does compensate me for loss of Saracens member benefits over the years....

Hey ho indeed Rupes.



~ You never knowingly let the facts get in the way of the story. ~

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
20 August, 2018 17:14
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Coughie
I could have told you about my plan be to create the Saracens Turnip Club

Love it. Make some merch and let the protest begin smiling smiley

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Coughie (IP Logged)
21 August, 2018 11:18
Thanks. The Thirst XV was my idea, but I didn’t create the excellent black polo shirt, one of which I still have today.

I wish everyone well; I wish everything at Saracens was as high as the standard of the Coaches and the Players.

I’m not going to get any merch made up, because I’m off to Ealing Trailfinders.

What irritated me was the blinkered refusal to acknowledge that apart from the Shareholders, the TV money and the Sponsorship far and away fund the Saracens Club. Squeezing a few extra pounds from ordinary spectators is simply wrong. And I say that as a lifelong Conservative, never a Socialist. I went 5 years without a pay increase. My income may have flatlined, but that didn’t stop my bills from increasing year on year above the rate of inflation...

Not that I’m bitter mind..... smiling smiley



~ You never knowingly let the facts get in the way of the story. ~

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
saladboy (IP Logged)
21 August, 2018 11:36
Having chosen to retain my seat, probably surrounded by empty seats for just for one more season with the season just a few weeks away, does anyone know if we're getting new cards (better be gold plated for the price in my case) or are they going to save money by making us use last seasons?

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Highbury Saracen (IP Logged)
23 August, 2018 07:03
I think we are getting new ones
They are ‘being posted’ very soon!

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
london pride (IP Logged)
23 August, 2018 07:42
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Highbury Saracen
I think we are getting new ones
They are ‘being posted’ very soon!

I think you will find Super Platinum either delivered by armed guard or butler with the card presented nicely on a silver platter.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
MarchingIn (IP Logged)
23 August, 2018 17:03
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Sara'sman
Quote:
MarchingIn
As an outsider looking in, I think this whole situation is really symptomatic of the shortcomings of Allianz Park to be honest.

Disappointed to read this MarchingIn, would you care to expand?

Bit delayed on my part, but OK!

With 10.5k capacity, it's not really big enough to provide Sarries with a sound financial base and the ticket prices are being ratcheted up to the detriment of long term supporters, and I suspect to the detriment of getting people through the doors who will become long term supporters. That is a sustainability issue. I know you can go to 15k, but only allowed to do so for one game. You perhaps wouldn't have so many complaints about this upgrade to Platinum if there was a surplus of decent alternative seats?

I think Allianz Park has the disadvantages of London (crap parking, crap traffic), the additional disadvantage of being classed as green belt, without being able to enjoy the full advantages - ease of public transport bringing big casual social spend to Friday night games as you can't hold them and are quite remote location wise, plus the opportunity this would give to fill up large capacity, as you also don't have one.

Allianz Park has kept Saracens in London(ish) but it's a potential millstone as well since its multi-use & it seems can't be developed or used freely. However, you must be staying or wouldn't be spending the reported £22m on the West Stand. If true, that seems an eye watering sum when you consider it's more than the entire 4 stand 2001-2015 redevelopment cost of Franklin's Gardens and over 50% of the price Upton Park sold for when West Ham moved out.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
Neil-H (IP Logged)
28 August, 2018 08:29
You wait for the uproar when the club will sell the seats as match day tickets at a cheaper per game cost of those that are season ticket holders, just to get the Money in....

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
JO'G (IP Logged)
28 August, 2018 19:47
as far as I can see for the first game of the season - ok just Bristol which is probably a lower demand

there are around 150 tickets left in the cleared out middle area left @£69 apiece

Gloucester on the 23rd have more than 200 available at £69


If £69 seems to be the price; I would probably be better off not buying a season ticket, but limiting my games to the better games, or those not on BT Sport thus keeping my old seat for 10/12 games a year - around the £700 for my worse seat, but cheaper than the £1050 they wanted

be interesting to see if the price goes up or down from £69 and if they sell out more than a couple of weeks in advance

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
29 August, 2018 18:27
JO'G that is how I am looking at it too. I will go to fewer games this season for sure but they'll be the ones I am really interested in and in my old seat (or near enough)

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
LutonS (IP Logged)
07 September, 2018 13:11
A smidge over 24 hours to kick off against Bristol and there's an awful lot of unsold seats still showing in the online booking facility.

 
Re: UNSOLD PLATINUM SEATS
sodslaw (IP Logged)
07 September, 2018 14:11
Quote:
MarchingIn
Quote:
Sara'sman
Quote:
MarchingIn
As an outsider looking in, I think this whole situation is really symptomatic of the shortcomings of Allianz Park to be honest.

Disappointed to read this MarchingIn, would you care to expand?

Bit delayed on my part, but OK!

With 10.5k capacity, it's not really big enough to provide Sarries with a sound financial base and the ticket prices are being ratcheted up to the detriment of long term supporters, and I suspect to the detriment of getting people through the doors who will become long term supporters. That is a sustainability issue. I know you can go to 15k, but only allowed to do so for one game. You perhaps wouldn't have so many complaints about this upgrade to Platinum if there was a surplus of decent alternative seats?

I think Allianz Park has the disadvantages of London (crap parking, crap traffic), the additional disadvantage of being classed as green belt, without being able to enjoy the full advantages - ease of public transport bringing big casual social spend to Friday night games as you can't hold them and are quite remote location wise, plus the opportunity this would give to fill up large capacity, as you also don't have one.

Allianz Park has kept Saracens in London(ish) but it's a potential millstone as well since its multi-use & it seems can't be developed or used freely. However, you must be staying or wouldn't be spending the reported £22m on the West Stand. If true, that seems an eye watering sum when you consider it's more than the entire 4 stand 2001-2015 redevelopment cost of Franklin's Gardens and over 50% of the price Upton Park sold for when West Ham moved out.


Erm .... what is London(ish) about Allianz Park. Watford was London(ish), Mill Hill is London NW7. I get to it by London underground (well actually an Uber from Finchley Central but I'm making a point).

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