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England Team - good grief!
AlanE (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 12:43
Daly

May
Slade
Farrell
Brown

Ford
Youngs

M Vunipola
George
Sinckler

Itoje
Isiekwe

Robshaw
T Curry
B Vunipola

Bench: Cowan-Dickie, Marler, Williams, Shields, Hughes, Spencer, Francis, Solomona

Well done to Nick and Ben. Hard luck on Loz.



I was 17 miles from Graybridge before I was caught by the school leopard



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2018 12:47 by AlanE.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
07 June, 2018 13:46
"Hard luck on Loz." You're not joking:
1. Totally outplayed Slade 2 weeks ago in a head-to-head match
2. Would have been playing next to a club colleague, so better levels of understanding - particularly in defence
3. Not even on the bench. Remarkable.
(Difficult to say this, but) Feel sorry for Ellis Genge too.

But then ...
11. Mike Brown - oh dear, oh dear (it was mentioned on an early thread that Eddie has 'lost the plot' - this confirms it). He was dreadful against the BaaBaa's. He's not a winger, and looks like he needs a long holiday (some might say retirement).

Otherwise, very Well done to Nick & Spenno = totally deserved.

Already some comments about 7 Sarries in the 23 (=Champions), but there are 4 Quins (= a miserable 10th)!!!

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
vunipolae (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 14:45
Mike Brown on the wing again is bad, but I cannot fathom for the life of me why Francis is on the bench. Lozowski for me deserves to start but how is he not ahead of Francis

 
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OhMaroItoje (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 16:00
Loz is miles ahead of Slade yet alone Francis. Brown on bathe wing blows my mind especially with England having so many choices in that area! As much as I think Spencer is an outstanding player you canít help but feel sorry for Robson whoís been the best 9 in the Prem for me this year

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
nicsue (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 16:09
Sigh

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
AB (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 16:14
unbelievable to play Brown? Even the Harlequins supporters can't believe it!

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
John Tee (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 16:18
Haven't got problem with the forwards.

The backs....?
Yep, needs an attack coach because Brown is never a winger.
Anyone could see that against the Baas,.... Unless he is lining up to swap them about at kick off.

Maybe Jones wants to start Daly there and get him caps and has to pick Brown as having him on the bench serves no purpose at all.

Not sure about Francis but he covers lots of positions.
...albeit without much distinction.

 
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daz_71 (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 17:08
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vunipolae
Mike Brown on the wing again is bad, but I cannot fathom for the life of me why Francis is on the bench. Lozowski for me deserves to start but how is he not ahead of Francis

Given that Loz can cover 10,12,13 and 15 how on earth is he not on the bench at least. I've seen nothing from Francis to even remotely suggest he is international quality. And as for Mike Brown on the wing - as I saw on the Saints board at least he doesn't even need to consider passing when on the wing! In my opinion Brown either has to start at 15 (I don't believe he should BTW) or he shouldn't be in the squad.

Also there is no second row cover on the bench - apparently Brad Shields can do that although apparently he has not started a match in the 2nd row for at least the past 3 seasons! Clueless selection policy

I'm beginning to think more and more that Eddie is determined to mess England up for the WC in retaliation for the 2003 beating back in Aus. I can't think of another reason for his perverse selection policies! Gussie has made the correct call to get out while he can before he gets tarnished by what Eddie is doing with this squad.

 
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GerryK (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 17:15
Don't understand why EJ persists with having Ford and Brown in the squad both passed their sell by date, Owen at 12 rather than 10 his best position, Slade v Alex is debatable even though Alex skinned him in the final.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 17:39
Sorry, but too many too partisan comments for me. Loz's defence at 13 remains naive/vulnerable imo and I'm not convinced he's yet shown enough for long enough to justify international selection there. Though I agree Slade doesn't look international class - he rarely shines in big games, and Francis has done little to make me optimistic that he'll provide any positive answers.

I'd rather all of our players were resting on a beach, but congratulations to them all - Isiekwe and Spencer especially. I worry about the physical demands on them all after the Lions/Argentina and a long season and like many would prefer Faz at 10. Shields as bench lock cover is strange, Curry deserves his chance at 7 (though I fear for him physically too) and Brown at 11 is just baffling.

Two years on Jones has the same problems that plagued Lancaster - no suitable player claiming the 7 shirt and no consistently fit partnership in the centres. Tight Head too!

Finally a question! If Michael Rhodes should push ahead of Shields next season does he become too expensive for us as we'll need him even more badly during AIs and 6N with GK, MI and NI all likely to be away (I know he was injured this year - NI covered)?

 
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AB (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 18:18
Quote:
Sara'sman
Sorry, but too many too partisan comments for me. Loz's defence at 13 remains naive/vulnerable imo and I'm not convinced he's yet shown enough for long enough to justify international selection there. Though I agree Slade doesn't look international class - he rarely shines in big games, and Francis has done little to make me optimistic that he'll provide any positive answers.
I'd rather all of our players were resting on a beach, but congratulations to them all - Isiekwe and Spencer especially. I worry about the physical demands on them all after the Lions/Argentina and a long season and like many would prefer Faz at 10. Shields as bench lock cover is strange, Curry deserves his chance at 7 (though I fear for him physically too) and Brown at 11 is just baffling.

Two years on Jones has the same problems that plagued Lancaster - no suitable player claiming the 7 shirt and no consistently fit partnership in the centres. Tight Head too!

Finally a question! If Michael Rhodes should push ahead of Shields next season does he become too expensive for us as we'll need him even more badly during AIs and 6N with GK, MI and NI all likely to be away (I know he was injured this year - NI covered)?

rather harsh remark about Loz and his defence! don't agree at all



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2018 18:19 by AB.

 
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Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
07 June, 2018 19:59
Sara'sman has a point, Loz has not played many games at 13 so I don't really mind slade starting there ahead of him for this first game.

What I don't get is how he is not even on the bench, he covers more positions than Francis and has played much better this season than Francis so that one I don't get. I also don't get the Brown on the wing thing, it has never worked, he is not a winger

 
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primavesi (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 07:33
Quote:
Sara'sman
Sorry, but too many too partisan comments for me. Loz's defence at 13 remains naive/vulnerable imo and I'm not convinced he's yet shown enough for long enough to justify international selection there. Though I agree Slade doesn't look international class - he rarely shines in big games, and Francis has done little to make me optimistic that he'll provide any positive answers.
I'd rather all of our players were resting on a beach, but congratulations to them all - Isiekwe and Spencer especially. I worry about the physical demands on them all after the Lions/Argentina and a long season and like many would prefer Faz at 10. Shields as bench lock cover is strange, Curry deserves his chance at 7 (though I fear for him physically too) and Brown at 11 is just baffling.

Two years on Jones has the same problems that plagued Lancaster - no suitable player claiming the 7 shirt and no consistently fit partnership in the centres. Tight Head too!

Finally a question! If Michael Rhodes should push ahead of Shields next season does he become too expensive for us as we'll need him even more badly during AIs and 6N with GK, MI and NI all likely to be away (I know he was injured this year - NI covered)?

Canīt disagree with any of this.

Personally I dont think any of the test Lions should have been allowed anywhere near South Africa this summer. RFU paying lip service to player welfare as usual but then failing to put their money where their mouth is.

 
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#wolfpack (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 08:05
1. I think Slade over Loz is a nonsense . Loz completely outplayed him in the final. For him to be behind Piers Francis is baffling in the extreme.

2. Ford and Farrell has to be the 10-12 partnership because Eddie tied his hands by selecting Ben Teo as the only possible 12. Then Teo got injured (quell surprise). So I don't think there was any other option there.

3. I agree with the comments above about Robson. I like Spenno, but Robson has been the best 9 in the league for a few years now. Eddie clearly doesn't fancy him for some reason (Alex Goode, Chris Ashton, Don Armand esque)

4. This is my attempt at explaining the reasoning behind Brown: Eddie Jones has always liked one winger to be quick, one winger to work hard and carry off 9 and 10. He's said as much in terms. Jack Nowell or Anthony Watson are his preferred options but neither are available. He also long term probably wants to play Daly at 15 (I agree with this). As such in order to keep his system the same he has to compromise and play Brown on the wing, because Brown is more suited to doing the hard work and popping up all over the place than Solomona (not sure why he is there at all) or Nathan Earle (also not convinced Nate deserves his place on the tour) - both of whom are replacements for the quick winger. I think it therefore a system thing rather than an obsession with Brown himself.

5. I agree with the comments above about the Lions boys being on tour in the first place. It is clear for all to see that they shouldn't be.

 
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bargepole (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 10:46
Anyone who was at AZP on 19 May will have observed that the power of the Sarries pack, combined with the ability to score from anywhere of the Wasps backline, would make one hell of a team.

This is the squad that EJ should select, but won't (assuming all are fit, and excluding non-English qualified players):

15 Goode
14 Wade
13 Lozowski
12 Farrell
11 Daly
10 Cipriani
9 Robson
1 M.Vunipola
2 George
3 Cooper-Wooley
4 Launchbury
5 Itoje
6 Hughes
7 Wray
8 B.Vunipola

16 Cruse
17 Mullan
18 Barrington
19 Isiekwe
20 Thompson
21 Spencer
22 Barritt
23 Bassett

It would take a very good side indeed to beat that lot.



Wasps supporter and ex-player since 1964



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2018 10:46 by bargepole.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
JO'G (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 10:49
I notice that EJ will be doing the 'normal' with Cipriani

select him for the tour
not pick him for any game
demonstrate that due to his non-impact on the SA tour he need not pick him again

 
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Poking With Sticks (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 12:17
Quote:
#wolfpack
1. I think Slade over Loz is a nonsense . Loz completely outplayed him in the final.

That's not how the game works though. You can look at front rows and say 'X's front-row outfought Y's front-row in the scrum', or 'X's line-out outplayed Y's line-out', but there are too many moving parts to compare one player against another. Besides which, you don't base those decisions on a single game.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
John Tee (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 12:21
Quote:
bargepole
Anyone who was at AZP on 19 May will have observed that the power of the Sarries pack, combined with the ability to score from anywhere of the Wasps backline, would make one hell of a team.
This is the squad that EJ should select, but won't (assuming all are fit, and excluding non-English qualified players):

15 Goode
14 Wade
13 Lozowski
12 Farrell
11 Daly
10 Cipriani
9 Robson
1 M.Vunipola
2 George
3 Cooper-Wooley
4 Launchbury
5 Itoje
6 Hughes
7 Wray
8 B.Vunipola

16 Cruse
17 Mullan
18 Barrington
19 Isiekwe
20 Thompson
21 Spencer
22 Barritt
23 Bassett

It would take a very good side indeed to beat that lot.

Indeed. Not rocket science. Start with that and see how far it goes.
I'm of the opinion that Jones is limited and a one trick pony. When he has played out that trick after a few years, he goes backwards. Rather like Lancaster who might have had another trick or two, or been more open to them, if he'd had a bit more experience at the time.

But at least you didn't get all the trash with SL...

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
PhillFez (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 15:48
The part that is easy to agree with is that Brown is not a first choice fullback (Sm7)

 
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F-F-F-FEZ (IP Logged)
08 June, 2018 21:48
Am looking forward to this series as two imperfect teams sometimes produce entertaining rugby.

Don't think we'll take the series and if we lose Test 1 it will be a grind to avoid a 3 - 0

Love to be proved wrong as ever.

 
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SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 09:08
I am going for a 2-1 series win with SA getting the last one. England to win well today. I don't back Jones but I do back the players and the key Sarries contingent will deliver whatever Jones surrounds them with.

 
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nedrichards (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:05
13 minutes and 50 seconds in and I'd like to place on the record that I've always thought Mike Brown was the finest winger of his generation and previous England coaches have been blind to his true talents up until now.... ;-) ;-) (etc. etc.)

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
saracens4life (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:33
The ultimate half of two halves...wow

Isiekwe hooked after 35 mins; Jamie George given away 3 dead soft penalties; Vunipolas been quiet...

Lots to do in 2nd half

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
John Tee (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:33
Carnage....

 
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vunipolae (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:34
Nedrichards, after 40 minutes you might want that struck from the record although he is far from the only issue

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
nedrichards (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:40
Normal service has been resumed! I remain confident in my never contradicted opinion that Mike Brown is an untested disaster on the wing ;-)

(although in reality I'm not certain that he's the defensive issue - the TV angle is really too close for me to see very much about defensive positioning from either side aside from that everyone looks very tight)

 
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sarricen (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:42
Eddie Jones is a nob. Second time heís subbed someone on their first start in the first half. Harrison hasnít recovered, letís see how Isieckwe does.

Nast nasty piece of work

 
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saracens4life (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:48
Hard to believe Isiekwe was a personal thing - yeah he'd made a couple of defensive errors but nothing standout.

More likely he paid the price for a tactical switch (getting another leader/flanker on).

Still a huge shame for him, esp with Launchbury back next week.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
The Bard (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:48
Nick almost looked out on his feet just before he was taken off. This could get even uglier if we canít get some oxygen in our lungs.

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
vunipolae (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 15:49
I didn't think Isiekwe was even playing badly, certainly better than robshaw if they really wanted Shields on. On brown, I don't think he's done anything wrong he just doesn't have the speed to defend on the wing

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
The Bard (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:11
Some outrageous decisions being made by the ref here

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
The Bard (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:14
He lets them have another scrum after they kick it dead, but not us 5 minutes later! Invisible knock on by Billy so no penalty to us for holding on.

 
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The Bard (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:16
And now de Klerk miles offside

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
saracens4life (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:26
This is all true about O'Keefe

But Mako, Jamie and Maro still did idiotic things

When all of them ought to be pack leaders trying to swing the momentum

 
Re: England Team - good grief!
John Tee (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:28
NI has to be tactical. Even if he was having a stinker, which he wasn't, you cant destroy someone with a substitution so quickly. So Jones has to make it clear it was tactical.
Having said that, their forwards are such a handful with that head of steam and Faf is running riot that the very nimble wingers are having a field day
Ask them to defend and it would be a very different story but we can stem the tide.

 
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saracens4life (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:36
A word on the imbecility of Eddie Jones' selection:

You take a risk by picking only 2 second rows in your 23.

Instead on your bench you pick a debutant flanker and a specialist No.8 who clearly cannot even last 10 minutes at altitude.

You then voluntarily take one of your second rows less than halfway through, with the debutant flanker replacing him.

You then lose your (19 year-old, known-to-be-fragile) openside to injury, leaving you with only the specialist No.8 to replace him.

Weirdly they lost the lineout and breakdown battles after that.

 
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Adey (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:42
Cowan Dickie coming on as hooker doesnít help the line out.

Donít think thereís many from that game that can be proud of their performance. When the Boks decided to turn up after 20 minutes it was completely one sided. Having seen the All Blacks this morning we might as well tear up Jonesí contract and plan for 2023.

 
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joluben (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:42
Bizarre, inconsistent decisions favouring green. Is there an issue between maro and faf - verbal and afters

 
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Comfortably Dumb (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:50
As soon as we replaced a second row with a back row the scrum went to @#$%&. Who'd have thought it

 
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vunipolae (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 16:51
Having Cowan-Dickie on doesn't help the lineout but having only one second row and two 8s that are too heavy to lift doesn't help more, I'd attribute almost no blame for any lineout issues to the hookers today.

Faf did seem to get under Maro's skin and he gave away a lot of penalties. The Faf non offside was a joke as was the Vunipola yellow, my only thought is there should have been penalties and maybe a yellow earlier for late plays of Faf so it probably evened out.

Billy was clearly not fit but England are so dependant upon him that as long as he can walk he will start. I forgot Slade was playing to be honest.

My only bright spot was that Daly showed the upside he can bring at 15 (even if he showed the downside as well) and hopefully with more gametime there (unlikely at wasps with Le Roux) he can develop into a star and impact the game more than the wing.

 
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BarnetSarrie (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 17:27
I actually thought the scoreline flattered us in the end.
The first twenty minutes we looked organised and confident - after that, we were chasing the game.

I'm sorry, but why oh why havent we spent two years finding some really good ball carrying distributing centres and integrating them into the team so that we can play Owen where he is at his best - at Fly half? George Ford is a skilled distributor and wonderful when he is protected and has the space to work, but yet again today it shows he is not strong enough and was repeatedly run at and through by the Bokke. (Not that he was the only one). Meanwhile one of the worlds' best wingers has been forced out of the country because he wasn't being selected (two if you count Stretts) and though Brown certainly did some good things (especially in that first 20 minutes) he still made errors which an experienced winger would not and which are bound to be exposed at test match level. On the plus side I did think Elliot Daly was great - hopefully he has nailed his place at Full Back. Meanwhile I just heard Eddie laying the blame at the players door for lack of discipline and inconsistency. That came because they were being put under pressure and our game plan was not working. That isn't the players fault in my book.

 
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Adey (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 17:56
BS I agree about the first 20 last 60. We were lucky to be anywhere near at the end.

Have to say, itís pretty predictable you dragging Ashton into it.

Brown didnít do anything drastically wrong, in fact he made a couple of decent last ditch tackles.

Surprised at the praise for Daly. We know heís got a massive boot and he took his try nicely. But three unforced errors, one of which costs us 7 points is not great.

 
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CB1959 (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 18:27
The problem is simply the Coach and his team selections
End of

 
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SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 18:35
Many of the players had a game to forget but rubbish selections, rubbish game-plan (assuming there was one) plus rubbish coach in charge were only going to have one result.

Young Curry was good. Vunipolas, George and Maro should all be at home enjoying a break and getting a good pre-season in.

 
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John Tee (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 19:06
Hopefully the altitude was a huge factor because we haven't got anything else.
Our best was a distinct second best today and we were run off our feet. Any team that could defend that would have scored heaps today...because Boks defensively were woeful...hell, we scored enough to win.

This malaise looks unstoppable to me. The players can't respond to Jomes.

 
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DoubleChampions (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 20:47
Daly was dreadful today / Slade non existent / George has not looked comfortable starting since Hartley stood down / Ford great first 20 but no good when the team is on back foot / bring Cips in much better in defence / Iswieke unlucky but was fairly anonymous as were Billy and Mako / Maro needs to switch on at test level more and not be wound up so much / Brown back to full back for me. SA were poor in defence hence we looked good for the first 20, thereafter the breakdown and our defensive weaknesses hung over from the 6 nations were there for all to see. I am beginning to think Gustard was happily discarded.

 
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wombles222 (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 20:56
Defence and structure was abysmal, discipline was shocking with some boneheaded moments.

Eddie is a good man, a workaholic, but when his teams start to fail they very rarely if at all turn the tide. I do wonder whether we will lose the series 3-0, carry out some indifferent and unconvincing performances in the A.I's and be an also ran in the 6 nations before falling away in the world cup, then Eddie will go by sacking or resignation.

All the players, talent and finance at our disposal and time and time again we fall short when we should do better, 2003 aside it is not good enough

 
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nicsue (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 21:13
IMHO earlier substitutions would have made a good deal of difference.

 
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BarnetSarrie (IP Logged)
09 June, 2018 22:00
Quote:
SarrieSaint
Many of the players had a game to forget but rubbish selections, rubbish game-plan (assuming there was one) plus rubbish coach in charge were only going to have one result.
Young Curry was good. Vunipolas, George and Maro should all be at home enjoying a break and getting a good pre-season in.

Yes yes and yes. Except Eddie isn't a rubbish coach - he is a good coach, but he isnt playing players where they should be - maybe because so many are carrying injuries - I guess that is a separate debate as to why. And absolutely yes to the need for a break and a really good pre-season. Maro showed how young he still is today. He hasnt turned into a bad player suddenly. He let De Klerk wind him up. Billy clearly isnt fit - when you have had such a long time out, it takes quite a few games not just to get to physical fitness, but to function as part of the team properly again under match conditions. He seemed to have an energetic five minutes when Mako was sin binned when he threw himself at everyone to try to make up for it, but otherwise, he was pretty well contained.

Adey - if you read my post I did not say that Mike Brown played badly, I (like many others) am not his biggest fan but considering he has been well and truly thrown in at the deep end, I made a point of saying he did some good things - but you still have to suspect that a proper tracking winger ((Sm100)) would almost certainly have done even better. I actually feel sorry for George Ford - if they continue to play him at 10 he may as well go on the pitch with a big red arrow above his head - 'attack here!'

 
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Roger G (IP Logged)
10 June, 2018 09:46
Quote:
The Bard
He lets them have another scrum after they kick it dead, but not us 5 minutes later! Invisible knock on by Billy so no penalty to us for holding on.

I never like to blame the ref for a result - it's up to the team to play him intelligently. However, although I don't think any decisions against England were wrong, he was just much slower on the whistle and a bit more lenient on green offences. I think I heard that Glenda is ref for the next two tests (could have misheard) which, if true, is good news. He's always seemed very on the ball and even handed.

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