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John Lacey
King Zak (IP Logged)
24 June, 2018 19:11
Just seen his try assist for the All Blacks yesterday - unbelievable!!!!



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Re: John Lacey
The Bard (IP Logged)
24 June, 2018 20:33
He should have yellow carded himself!

 
Re: John Lacey
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
25 June, 2018 11:29
Lacey is a very poor referee. Time and again he demonstrates that he lacks three of the most important attributes required to officiate: accuracy, consistency and empathy. He doesn't lack confidence! But imo on this occasion he was neither at fault in his positioning nor in his awarding of the try.

A referee has to stand somewhere! His positioning at and after the scrum was no different to that taken by any other referee occasionally. Increasingly players are targeting the area around the referee for their running lines. Quite rightly anyone deliberately making contact with the referee is dealt with severely. The laws are very clear that if he is touched by the ball he must halt play. He didn't touch the ball.

I've read several people suggesting that he should invoke the "not explicitly covered in the laws" clause and award a new scrum. I'd suggest this would be a dangerous route to take. In my view the French SH was left to cover two opponents and it is for him (as with all players) to avoid the referee. I'd hope no referee would invoke the above law for this incident; to do so would open our game to an avalanche of players seeking similar claims of obstruction when outnumbered. Far better to leave it as the players' responsibility to avoid the referee.

He could however have shown empathy and punished the forward pass - something NZ get away with far too often, in part (as with their thugby) due to the speed at which they play the game.

Worth looking down this link - for the cockwomble sign in the crowd. Talking of which anyone else amused by the "over to the Wally with the brolly" link in Sky's introduction to England's game?

 
Re: John Lacey
Innings (IP Logged)
25 June, 2018 12:17
And, did I see a large sign with the one word Cockwomble? Please to see Sarries supporters in the 3rd test crowd doing their bit to ensure Owen's kicks went over.



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Points win matches: tries win hearts and minds.

 
Re: John Lacey
JO'G (IP Logged)
26 June, 2018 13:16
the waving arms were in the second test too

 
Re: John Lacey
#wolfpack (IP Logged)
27 June, 2018 08:23
I like Jonny Lacey.

Mostly because after the Clermont game at AzP several years ago he came into Mill Hill rugby club for a beer with the fans.

I was chuntering away in the corner about a decision he made during the game, and one of our group mentioned this to him so up he marched beer in hand and explained to me why he made that decision and why he believed it to be a right one.

I was very impressed he would bother at all.

Maybe it is an Irish ref thing because I seem to remember George Clancy and his touch judges doing the same at Clermont away the same season.

 
Re: John Lacey
Seany_Boy0511 (IP Logged)
27 June, 2018 14:56
Wolfpack I think most European refs come for a drink k with their officials, Nigel Owens and his crew came In to a bar in Belgium after the Racing game, had a good old sing song and watching match of the day, top bloke!

 
Re: John Lacey
#wolfpack (IP Logged)
27 June, 2018 15:16
Here's hoping Graham Hughes comes for a drink with us at some point....

 
Re: John Lacey
Rupes (IP Logged)
27 June, 2018 21:54
It was indeed Clermont when George Clancy joined us - top man and more than happy to chat away for hours.

If we're on European Ref Watch, I was on the tram to the stadium in Bordeaux to watch Racing vs Munster in April (Euro semi final). Two stops before the stadium, on get Messers Barnes, Doyle, Carley and Pearce. Suffice to say that Mr Barnes was more than proficient in talking to the French rugby fans in their native tongue, whereas Mr Carley maybe needs another lesson or two before he could be classed as bi-lingual.

Re John Lacey, he did ok up until the point he got in the way. After that, he went to pot. I guess the confidence of a referee is affected by something like that, just as a player who is having a mare will be.

 
Re: John Lacey
King Zak (IP Logged)
29 June, 2018 17:18
Saras’man, have to disageee. You’re quite correct about teams using the referee as a ‘blocker’ and that’s something they do need to try and clamp down on. In this incident, Lacey clearly gets in the way of a tackler; that should be a scrum. You’re also correct to identify the potential for defending teams to abuse that aspect as well and would require careful officiating. I haven’t found one referee who thinks Lacey got it right. Shame, because I actually thiought he’d improved quite a bit this season!



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Re: John Lacey
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
08 July, 2018 13:24
Quote:
King Zak
Saras’man, have to disageee. You’re quite correct about teams using the referee as a ‘blocker’ and that’s something they do need to try and clamp down on. In this incident, Lacey clearly gets in the way of a tackler; that should be a scrum. You’re also correct to identify the potential for defending teams to abuse that aspect as well and would require careful officiating. I haven’t found one referee who thinks Lacey got it right. Shame, because I actually thiought he’d improved quite a bit this season!

Oh, I have found quite a few kiwi refs who think he did get it right!

The laws cover the ref getting in the way of the ball, but not a player.

In the event of the ABs losing a World Cup match in similar circumstances, the laws will be changed; otherwise, whistle!



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Re: John Lacey
King Zak (IP Logged)
10 July, 2018 15:05
TT - so true!!



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