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are the laws joined up
JO'G (IP Logged)
04 October, 2018 07:43
I was listening to an interesting view from a coach at Bristol on a pod

He was saying that although the laws were now targeting lower tackles the risk / rewards options at the breakdown actually were the reverse

Basically there were 3 options for a defence:

1. Chop the player low, then the second man or a brilliant first man get for the jackal. however, in reality you were more likely to be pinged for not rolling away than getting anything else. Plus on the negative side, the attackers were almost certainly not going to be pinged for going off their feet to clear you out and if the ball was quick you had players caught up in the ruck.

2. The method Sarries use - to try and tackle around the chest, driving the player up for a potential choke. The attacking side have to expend a lot of energy getting the ball carrier to ground for the 'tackle completion' meaning there may be more attackers tied up, less defenders and the ball will be really slow meaning the line can redraw itself with little or no difficulty. Also the defenders might even initially force the player back losing ground or get a maul or rip the ball. This is risky for a high tackle, but thats really the only downside

3. Normal traditional tackle. The attacker makes ground, possible offload, no chance of the defending side getting a turnover. Basically no side will use this

From a coaches point of view, the risk of a yellow card or penalty is still worth making the tackle high. not joined up law making

Re: are the laws joined up
vunipolae (IP Logged)
04 October, 2018 12:29
This is actually a problem which should be easy to fix. Encourage option 1 by treating attacking players the same as defensive players at the breakdown. Penalise attacking players for off their feet and hands on the floor so not supporting their bodyweight.

Also police option 2 properly and when a maul is formed penalise teams who deliberately collapse the maul to win a turnover like you would for any other maul

Re: are the laws joined up
mrangry (IP Logged)
04 October, 2018 16:18
With regard to high tackles, would it not be a better option than that used at present to take into consideration the action of the player with the ball? If he ducks, falls or generally causes foul play by the tackler, is this not "cheating"? If the action of the player with the ball causes a hich/dangerous tackle it is his/her own fault and should not be penalised. C>F farrell on a falling Gopperth at the Euro semi at Madjeski, the Munster4 player diving recklessly over the blameless Stade francais player (Red Card) in a pool stage match and Brits causing a Benneton player to cartwheel over him at Watford. None technically illegal but penalised because the laws are flawed.

Re: are the laws joined up
Bboonie (IP Logged)
04 October, 2018 21:39
Going too low is also dangerous, re: Ludlow against us for Glaws.

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