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Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Rupes (IP Logged)
09 October, 2018 18:00
So they won't release South African players from their clubs for the game on Nov 3, but those in England colours will be released. Go figure.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
timbo001 (IP Logged)
09 October, 2018 18:47
The RFU pay a lot of money for the England players to be released.

Itís out of window so SA will be getting a sizeable fee from England, they didnít have to take the fixture.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Rupes (IP Logged)
09 October, 2018 18:56
So if SA had turned around and said that they would pay for the players to be released for the fixture (ie as the RFU have done, in effect), would PRL have agreed to that?

I'm being slightly cantankerous as I understand the politics and negotiations behind it all, but it's not great that England will play an under-strength SA in my view.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
nedrichards (IP Logged)
09 October, 2018 18:59
Historically PRL have said that yes, if governing bodies (previously the Welsh) wanted to pay then yes they'd do player release.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
09 October, 2018 21:57
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nedrichards
Historically PRL have said that yes, if governing bodies (previously the Welsh) wanted to pay then yes they'd do player release.

That'll keep Eddie Jones awake at night. He was just starting to hope he might go 2 from 4 this Autumn.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Squawker2 (IP Logged)
10 October, 2018 06:25
Who needs ours, they can have Schalk instead!



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Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
primavesi (IP Logged)
10 October, 2018 08:25
Premiership Rugby are not a charity. They have a product to protect.

England players get released because they receive a huge amount of money from the RFU and they know it is in the best interests of both organisations to work together.

There is no reason at all that they should release the South African players - After all, it is South Africaīs choice, unlike England, to pick overseas based players.


Looking ahead to the series, we really need to beat at least one of the big 3 less than a year out from the world cup and ideally 2. I donīt see any of the games being easy (our back row will ne 2nd best in all 3 games) but all are winnable. Losing all 3 would be a disaster.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
BarnetSarrie (IP Logged)
10 October, 2018 13:20
Has anyone done a quick shufti to see how many Saffers there are in the League at the moment? Some teams would be quite badly affected - more than others I suspect. I am guessing those clubs would be pretty unhappy to suddenly be expected to release those players, especially with the League being so closely contested, particularly this season. For example - just look how badly affected Sale have been without Faf de Clerk directing matters.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
11 October, 2018 06:05
I don't recall the WRU paying for release. I recall North and Northampton signing a contract entitling the player to release, in defiance of PRL; the player triggered the clause and PRL fined the club £60k. The player repeated his actions but PRL declined to improse any further sanction.

Emboldened by this, Bath did the same with Faletau, and PRL, threatened with legal action, confined themselves to the sanction applied to Saints.

So, if a Premium club wants to sign a foreign player who wishes to be available for his country outside the Regulation 9 windows, the price is a £60k fine. If, like Bruce Craig, you regard £60k to be small change, you can cow PRL with legal threat if they now seek to impose recurring sanctions.

Another fine mess!



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Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
11 October, 2018 06:11
Rupes, if you and others refuse to pay the exorbitant price for tickets to a devalued match and/or TV broadcasters refuse to pay as much for said devalued matches, they will become unviable.

Only then will the players be relieved of the atrocious burden that additional fixtures impose.



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Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Rupes (IP Logged)
11 October, 2018 10:24
TT - a salient point, but the audience at Twickenham couldn't be any more different from a club audience if it tried. Hence the majority of those who turn up couldn't really care what the players do outside of playing for England. So the chances of that audience not paying for their ticket and not showing up are somewhere between hen's teeth and rocking horse poo.

The different audiences for club and international rugby are another spanner in the works of fixing all this by the way.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
11 October, 2018 10:55
Yes, in England, it is.

Elsewhere, international crowds contain a good number of fans who also have club loyalty, and a sufficient love of the game that they care about player welfare.

In the short-term, the Ah Eff You think that can milk the cash cow without any ill effects.



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Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Rupes (IP Logged)
11 October, 2018 12:06
Agree. But the RFU seem to be very powerful across the various unions - money talks I guess. Hence why I think all of this needs to come from World Rugby, rather than let the various unions try and sort it out.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
higgy365 (IP Logged)
12 October, 2018 08:08
Quote:
TonyTaff
I don't recall the WRU paying for release. I recall North and Northampton signing a contract entitling the player to release, in defiance of PRL; the player triggered the clause and PRL fined the club £60k. The player repeated his actions but PRL declined to improse any further sanction.
Emboldened by this, Bath did the same with Faletau, and PRL, threatened with legal action, confined themselves to the sanction applied to Saints.

So, if a Premium club wants to sign a foreign player who wishes to be available for his country outside the Regulation 9 windows, the price is a £60k fine. If, like Bruce Craig, you regard £60k to be small change, you can cow PRL with legal threat if they now seek to impose recurring sanctions.

Another fine mess!

Not quite TT, the £60k fine levied on Saints was for the contract running contrary to the PRL agreement. How many times North was released outside the window under that contract had no bearing. The PRL did warn that any other clubs entering into such contracts would be punished exponentially but as you say, Craig called their bluff on that and here we are...

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
samlee99 (IP Logged)
12 October, 2018 12:15
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nedrichards
Historically PRL have said that yes, if governing bodies (previously the Welsh) wanted to pay then yes they'd do player release.

Money gets you anything you want. Remember the payments to make the salary cap abuse go away?

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Highbury Saracen (IP Logged)
12 October, 2018 12:36
Arent Wasps only side to get fined for salary cap discrepancies? smiling smiley



European champions 2016 & 2017

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
samlee99 (IP Logged)
13 October, 2018 10:33
People know who paid money to make the salary cap abuse go away.

People know who "won" trophies built on salary cap abuse.

The "wins" will always be tainted.

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
tpr's headmistress (IP Logged)
13 October, 2018 12:30
The broken record thread .....

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Harrow Sarrie (IP Logged)
13 October, 2018 14:13
Maris Piper? Desiree? King Edward?

 
Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
13 October, 2018 17:42
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Harrow Sarrie
Maris Piper? Desiree? King Edward?

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Re: Fair and equal from Premier Rugby?
Harrow Sarrie (IP Logged)
13 October, 2018 19:27
Clearly has a chip on his shoulder - just trying to guess what type (Sm100)


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