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Playing Time
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
29 January, 2019 16:51
Spotted on the Quins board, reference to an article in RTE here showing how the IRFU are managing their players. Many interesting stats showing how their Internationals are playing significantly less than their peers 5 and 10 years ago:

Year Average minutes played before 6N
2009 902
2014 798
2019 686

And a couple of comparisons with our players:

"Last season Saracens out-half Owen Farrell played 944 minutes more for club and country than his Lions team-mate Sexton, a difference of more than 11 games."

"Second row Maro Itoje featured in just four more games in 2017-18 than his opposite number James Ryan, but that equated to an extra 858 minutes of action."

Re: Playing Time
myleftboot (IP Logged)
10 February, 2019 10:04
Here's a Kiwi take on England. It's very tough to find fault with it :


Re: Playing Time
Wayoutwest (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 13:47
Very interesting article. Central contracts are the only real way to square the circle that is the relationship between RFU and Clubs. Although I cant see it happening unless its mandated by world rugby

Re: Playing Time
sarricen (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 10:37
Central contracts work well with fewer clubs. With 12 clubs it will be a struggle. The only way I realistically see it working is once a player is centrally contracted they are not allowed to move clubs until they are no longer centrally contracted.

Therefore once the player is centrally contracted he is effectively no longer part of that club but is a 'bonus' player to play in the big games. Clubs then are able to plan around losing these players but benefit from them in the big games effectively for free, thus incentivising clubs like sarries who have strong academies to pump out england players.

This would have to go cap in hand with strict quotas on foreign players.

Re: Playing Time
raedarius (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 10:42
Forgive the intrusion, but curious for your views. How would central contracting work with the salary cap when a team suddenly falls out of favour and gets multiple players back on its books (eg Quins right now)?

Re: Playing Time
sarricen (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 13:01
Under my imaginary central contracting system, Quins would be in an amazing position as they'd have a season of a centrally contracted player not in favour but would know they would either have to free up space next season (or in time for when their contract runs out) or else the player is free to move elsewhere.

But then you could argue that that is just reward for having developed a player to EPS standard

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