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1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
10 February, 2019 16:08
England..stop breaking our players please :-)

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2019 15:30 by 1876-Fez.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
boomer! (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 12:25
Any news on Mako's injury?

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
12 February, 2019 12:48
According to this morning's papers EJ is awaiting results of Mako's scan

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
myleftboot (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 14:39
Damn, Mako has been setting new levels in terms of what a loosie can do, not sure there's anyone else close to him at the moment

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Sarriebone (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 15:07
Out for 10 weeks with ankle ligament damage
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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Ricardo121 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 15:55
Takes us to 23 April


Champions Cup SF looks to be the 20th

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
MyCupRunnethOver (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 15:56
I don't think it is just Eddie and England. The whole structure is wrong.
There is interesting article on the Playing Time Thread (sorry can't do linky thing) from an Kiwi newspaper saying that essentially England cannot do well in the world cup because they can never field the full team. They simply play too many minutes to ever challenge.
Their point was that we will never see the team we saw in Dublin and against France again.Depressing thought.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/02/2019 16:07 by MyCupRunnethOver.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Highbury Saracen (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 16:41
Read that article!
Pointless autumn internationals & summer tours eventually take there toll
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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Wayoutwest (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 17:42
So he misses the Glasgow Qtr final game.....Damn

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 18:24
I do think it's Jones. The guy is an idiot.

The Ireland game was like a huge final and Mako put in probably the most physical shift of any English player. Someone with half a brain who also needs to see how their third choice LH is working out might well have used the France game to either rest or bench Mako and start Moon with Genge coming on if the game was under control.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
The Bard (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 19:01
Putting him back on for the second half clearly injured with the game already in the bag was sheer stupidity and negligence

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Garp285 (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 19:41
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The Bard
Putting him back on for the second half clearly injured with the game already in the bag was sheer stupidity and negligence
Was he injured in the first half? I didn't see the first half? If so, that is negligent, especially with the score as it was! However, would Mako reveal the extent of any injury?

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
The Bard (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 20:56
He was down for several minutes and limped off the field at half time

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 22:13
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Sarriebone
Out for 10 weeks with ankle ligament damage
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Small comfort - fish is a bit more positive and says UP TO 10 weeks. Seem to remember Kruis was back quicker than expected so hopefully our medics can work their magic on Mako

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
vunipolae (IP Logged)
12 February, 2019 22:54
Champions cup semi finals are 20/21st April. If we beat Glasgow I think we'll see him back for that. If not then there's no need to rush him

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
BACK TO BLACK (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 08:47
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MyCupRunnethOver
There is interesting article on the Playing Time Thread (sorry can't do linky thing) from an Kiwi newspaper

ENGLAND INJURY COUNT

Here it is for ease of access. A rather dark question came to mind as I read this and listened to EJ's comments post injury to Maro & Mako. Token concern but on each occasion "we have plenty of back up" (Maro) and "it provides an opportunity for the team to grow" (Mako)

Whilst factually correct, these are the words of a man with almost limitless resources at his disposal. I hadn't appreciated, although I watched the game, that Mako was distressed leaving the field at HT. A coach with fewer players to call upon would take greater care to ensure that his relatively limited resource was better protected.

I'm not expecting EJ to collapse in tears every time a meaningful injury occurs but I'm concerned that he takes a cavalier approach knowing that very few players are indispensable.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
sarricen (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 10:32
I think the blaming of Eddie Jones is ridiculously naive.

The simple fact is the premiership is too attritional and top players play too often. It's not as simple as blaming the clubs, as they are massively incentivised to field their first teams each week.

Personally I think the solution is to make the Prem a conference system - two lots of 6/7 team conferences. Play each team in your own conference twice and the other conference once. That's 16 or 19 games total. Then top 2 in each then play in the semis and then a final. 18 or 21 games total max.

Or even more extreme make top 4 of each conference go through to 'quarter finals'. Even though this adds a match it takes away competitiveness of the conferences and the need to play your first team each week.

Oh, and only home advantage for the quarter finals to less incentivise finishing top of the conference.

Yes, this would damage the premiership but if anyone else has a better alternative I'd love to hear it!

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
AP (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 11:08
That's only reducing the Premiership matches by about three games - which would be the ones the international players don't take part in anyway as they fall within the AIs and 6N periods.



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
John Tee (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 12:19
Quote:
Garp285
Quote:
The Bard
Putting him back on for the second half clearly injured with the game already in the bag was sheer stupidity and negligence
Was he injured in the first half? I didn't see the first half? If so, that is negligent, especially with the score as it was! However, would Mako reveal the extent of any injury?

This. I can't recall when he went down first but commentary suggested head or shoulder...??
When we saw the bench the ankle was iced.
Players want to play and the strong guys don't want to come off. A back may have a different mind set as mobility and speed more critical
I see this as a playing injury so wouldn't look at Jones in the first instance.
Player, medical team all paint the initial picture and Coaches respond to that.
If, however, they were negligent, then they deserve the criticism but maybe in this case, that is not conclusive.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Sara'sman (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 12:24
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AP
That's only reducing the Premiership matches by about three games - which would be the ones the international players don't take part in anyway as they fall within the AIs and 6N periods.

Which is why my "Two Divisions" proposal (see the Internationals Poll thread) would better address the Player Welfare issue whilst preserving clubs income from 22 league games - sadly(!) few seemed interested.

Our International players would play a maximum of 25 + ko games, perhaps:
8 Internationals
6 European games
11 (of 14) games v other Prem1 sides, worth 4/2/0 + bonus points as now
0 games v Prem2 sides, worth 2/1/0 points, no bonus, largely played during International periods (or pre Europe)
0-5 ko games.

Still too many, but a start towards genuine player welfare.

[I'd also "claw back" ko games the following season, reducing a players "allowance" by 1 (for 1/2 games) 2 (for 3/4) and 3 (for 5).]

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
sarricen (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 13:03
Quote:
AP
That's only reducing the Premiership matches by about three games - which would be the ones the international players don't take part in anyway as they fall within the AIs and 6N periods.

But that's not the key point though, which is that the competitiveness of the league is reduced somewhat, reducing the need to play your full team every week

There will have to come a time where there will be a trade-off between quality of games and quantity of games and that's where it will get interesting



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/02/2019 13:04 by sarricen.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
myleftboot (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 16:06
It's a tough call when option a, ie mako, is so far better than option b, say Moon. Should he have been pulled earlier? Probably. Can I see why he was left to see if he run it off? Yes

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
timbo001 (IP Logged)
13 February, 2019 19:52
Quote:
MyCupRunnethOver
I don't think it is just Eddie and England. The whole structure is wrong.
There is interesting article on the Playing Time Thread (sorry can't do linky thing) from an Kiwi newspaper saying that essentially England cannot do well in the world cup because they can never field the full team. They simply play too many minutes to ever challenge.
Their point was that we will never see the team we saw in Dublin and against France again.Depressing thought.

The gist of the article is probably fair, but it fails to acknowledge the fact that World Cup years are actually decidedly less arduous for England players. Most will play their last competitive club games in May, 4 months before the World Cup starts. Generally we have fewer injuries going into a World Cup than at any stage of the 4 year cycle.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
14 February, 2019 17:21
Now Genge... Loosehead becoming a concern now...

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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
AlanE (IP Logged)
15 February, 2019 10:06
Presumably that means Exeter lose both Moon and Hepburn?



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
myleftboot (IP Logged)
15 February, 2019 13:05
Welcome to our world Exe!! England have taken our first and second choice in several positions!

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
22 February, 2019 14:35
Reduce the Prem to 10 teams. Ban internationals outside the windows. No Prem matches in the windows - play a development competition instead.

Get the American bloke, Marshall, who brokered the Good Friday Agreement, to bang heads!



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
JO'G (IP Logged)
22 February, 2019 16:03
I saw an interesting article; can't remember where that suggested that there should be 2 conferences in both the Premiership and the championship

The number of games in your conference would be much lower and could all be played around the AIs and finish before the 6 nations starts. During those competitions, the 'A' or development sides of the Premiership clubs could play games against championship sides and the other conference; not to count in the official league but in another competition entirely

after the 6 nations there would be no league matches just playoffs plus possibly 3 european games, plus the playoffs / finals of the Premiership / Championship competition with forced layoff for those who played in the 6 nations

clubs get all the games they want; players get a bit more of a rest

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
26 February, 2019 18:21
Playoffs devoid of internationals would be an abomination even worse than the status quo.



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Garp285 (IP Logged)
26 February, 2019 19:13
Quote:
TonyTaff
Playoffs devoid of internationals would be an abomination even worse than the status quo.
Status Quo weren't an abomination! Pretty shyt but ... oh, sorry, "the status quo" ;-)

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
AlanE (IP Logged)
27 February, 2019 10:28
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Garp285
Quote:
TonyTaff
Playoffs devoid of internationals would be an abomination even worse than the status quo.
Status Quo weren't an abomination! Pretty shyt but ... oh, sorry, "the status quo" ;-)

Au contraire. I think Status Quo had a brilliant business model - building a 48 year (and still going) career out of the same three chords.



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
bigfecker (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 14:52
Looks like Maro is injured again.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 16:29
Rushed him back...should have been sent back to Saracens to recover IMHO

Maro crocked again...



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Sarriebone (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 16:38
Ffs, there was literally no need to rush him back against Italy (no offence to Italy). Yet again clubs going to suffer the consequences after the tournament.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
Neville (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 17:23
This is outrageous. Hopefully hell now be returned to us so that we can have OUR PLAYER fit for the end of the season!!!!!


I am furious that bloody England and Jones have broken Maro again!


And deeply saddened for him personally

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 19:05
Quote:
Neville
This is outrageous. Hopefully hell now be returned to us so that we can have OUR PLAYER fit for the end of the season!!!!!

I am furious that bloody England and Jones have broken Maro again!


And deeply saddened for him personally

This is getting beyond a joke. About time the EPS credits were increased AND with penalty credits on top of that for any EPS player returned to their club with an injury sustained, however so, during the contracted international period. That should focus the attention of the international coaching teams so that they do not try and bring back players from injury too early. I find their attitude to be frankly cavalier a lot of the time.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..
The Bard (IP Logged)
05 March, 2019 21:51
Beyond belief to be rushing Maro back. Even Brad Shields could do a job against Italy and we really should have enough quality in the squad not to need him against Scotland either.

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
09 March, 2019 15:31
Sanjay...arm in a sling...



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
Darraghgirl (IP Logged)
09 March, 2019 15:40
everything crossed it's just a stinger but knowing our luck.....

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
GazzaFez (IP Logged)
09 March, 2019 17:40
Wales have issued a statement re. Liam.

<< Just a stinger >>

 
Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
TonyTaff (IP Logged)
09 March, 2019 17:45
Just as well our other world-class full back doesn't get international call-ups!



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
14 March, 2019 13:25
Damn... was hoping he'd have an extra weeks rest...

Don't break him please..

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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
AlanE (IP Logged)
14 March, 2019 16:15
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1876-Fez
Damn... was hoping he'd have an extra weeks rest...
Don't break him please..

Liam Williams: Full-back fit as Wales unchanged to face Ireland - [www.bbc.co.uk]

On the other hand, one more towards his 60.



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Re: 1st Maro now Mako..Now Sanjay..
1876-Fez (IP Logged)
14 March, 2019 17:56
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AlanE
Quote:
1876-Fez
Damn... was hoping he'd have an extra weeks rest...
Don't break him please..

Liam Williams: Full-back fit as Wales unchanged to face Ireland - [www.bbc.co.uk]

On the other hand, one more towards his 60.

Didn't think of that, so just get him off ASAP!



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