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Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
12 August, 2011 17:48
As ever, if we can then try to keep it up to date as we can.

News always wanted on: injuries, loans, and even bans . England's EPS squad members have bolded nationality.

I'll try to keep these initial lists as up to date as possible. If anyone hears of any news, please post the details. Where possible I'll put any information on expected returns to action (ERA).

Please bear in mind that any ERAs are pure estimates - medicine is NOT an exact science, and we're not privy to confidential information


Nat. Pos. Player
ENG HK Ross Batty
ZIM HK Pieter Dixon
ENG HK Lee Mears
ENG PR Charlie Beech
ENG PR Duncan Bell
ENG PR Nathan Catt
ENG PR David Flatman
ENG PR Mark Lilley - Bristol
ENG PR Billy Moss - London Welsh
SAM PR Anthony Perenise
ENG PR Davey Wilson
ENG LK Dave Attwood
IRE LK Ryan Caldwell - Knee injury; ERA 09/12
ENG LK Scott Hobson - Neurological neck/arm injury; ERA possibly career threatening
ENG LK Stuart Hooper
ENG BR Andy Beattie - Retired Hurt
ENG BR Carl Fearns
RSA BR Francois Louw - knee injury; ERA 08/12
ENG BR Guy Mercer
ENG BR Lewis Moody - Retired Hurt
ENG BR Josh Ovens - Bristol
ENG BR Ben Skirving
SCO BR Simon Taylor


Nat. Pos. Player
RSA SH Michael Claassens
SCO SH Mark McMillan
NZL FH Stephen Donald
ENG FH Sam Vesty
ENG CE Olly Barkley
AUS CE Matt Carraro
ENG CE Dan Hipkiss
ENG CE Ben Williams
ENG WG Matt Banahan
ENG WG Tom Biggs
ENG WG Kyle Eastmond
ENG WG Nick Scott - DR with London Welsh
ENG FB Nick Abendanon
SCO FB Jack Cuthbert

+

USA HK Chris Biller
WAL SH Waren Fury

+

ENG HK Rob Webber
WAL HK Dominic Day



Pos. Player
HK Will Tanner - DR with Taunton
PR Kane Palmer-Newport - DR with Rosslyn Park
LK Will Spencer - DR with Rosslyn Park
BR Tom Baldwin
BR Joe Buckle
BR Will Skuse
BR James Stephenson - DR with Clifton

SH Will Clemesha
SH Chris Cook - DR with Esher
SH Matt Keyte - DR with Bristol
FH Tom Heathcote
FH Paul Roberts - DR with Plymouth
CE Richard Lane - DR with lifton
CE Ben Mosses
WG Ollie Woodburn - DR with Bristol
FB JJ Kilmartin - DR with Clifton



For easy reading, I'll simply keep editing this first post.
I'll also add posts each time I do an update, so that it'll flag as updated on the main thread.

And over to you guys to keep me up to date.



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Edited 88 time(s). Last edit at 18/04/2012 16:44 by Which Tyler.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
marshie10 (IP Logged)
12 August, 2011 20:17
FYI, Will Clemasha is a 9 or centre.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
12 August, 2011 21:06

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Susanne (IP Logged)
12 August, 2011 22:36
Nice one WT - I'm going to swap this one in a the new sticky.



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
OldmanofDorset (IP Logged)
12 August, 2011 22:46
Duncan Bell had a recent Elbow operation - not sure how long this will keep him out

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Widcombe Boy (IP Logged)
13 August, 2011 07:56
Where's Ross Batty, he wasn't in the squad last night. Is he injured?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
13 August, 2011 09:42
Thanks guys; I'll give Belly my usual estimate for any operation - about 2 months, that's usually a little conservative, but it's a good approximation to average.


As for Batty; hopefully someone will have some news



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
charlieboa (IP Logged)
13 August, 2011 12:18
thanks for putting this together WT.

woodburn is also dual registered with bris along with keyte.

moss' contract is up at the end of this season i believe.

guess wilson may go to rwc but tend to agree with you that he probably wont.

louw's arrival time seems up in the air. assume donald is november.

eastmond will be after super league- think his contract commences 1 november as you have suggested.

no idea whats wrong with batty either i am afraid.

i think attwood is over his knee problem but no has a pelvis injury but should be back in the next few weeks.

very few with their contracts up at the end of this season. will be great to keep a settled squad and supplement it with the extra cap available aswell as a marquee player. encouraging times i think.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
13 August, 2011 14:43
I've posted my thoughts on Donald's arrival elsewhere - essentially too many ifs, buts and maybes about it to say with any confidence (same with Louw TBH, but at least he's in this country at the moment).

If Donald isn't in the RWC squad, I'd be amazed if we don't try to get him here for September - if there are salary cap problems, then Olly's injury should give us room to maneuver.
It depends on his ANZ cup status, and whether Henry wants him in NZ in case of injury (and whether he'd be happy to hang around for that).

As for niggles (eg Attwood's pelvis) I'm only looking to bother with those that make a difference for the start of the season proper; though this is still the place to mention such things in the thread itself



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
charlieboa (IP Logged)
14 August, 2011 12:46
is beast still injured from last season (am i right in saying he wasnt involved on fri?)? any idea when hes due back?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
15 August, 2011 12:42
Beast's injury was Tib #. I initially expected him to be back in time for the first match; but don't have any latest news.

I've updated an ETA for Donald, as another thread quoted him in a kiwi paper saying he's aiming for October/November to turn up here (with the ITM final in early September, it'd then depend on how much down-time he'd need after a full season and travelling half-way around the world)



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Tricky=Legend (IP Logged)
15 August, 2011 17:24
I've got a hair, I'm going to split it! Isn't Ross Batty Scottish? Apologies if I'm wrong.

Great news on the amount of contracts up for 2012. Beast will surely retire along with Belly. That leaves (IMO) key re-signings for:

McMillan (I really rate him)
Batty (think he's better than Dixon and can't see them both staying with one of them likely to see little action)
Bendy
Ben Williams

Not too bad and hopefully won't lead to contract negotiations unsettling lots of the players in the team during the season.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
johnnyf (IP Logged)
15 August, 2011 18:28
Excellent work WT - that is very good information.
What with injuries / late arrivals / WC commitments, I'm still a bit concerned that we appear over-stretched for the start of the season.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
9215 (IP Logged)
15 August, 2011 22:59
Only 2 designated wingers at the moment. Are there other backs who can cover?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
16 August, 2011 08:13
Quote:
Tricky=Legend
I've got a hair, I'm going to split it! Isn't Ross Batty Scottish? Apologies if I'm wrong.
Quote:
Wiki
Ross Batty (born 20 September 1986 in England) a former Barnard Castle School pupil, is a rugby union player for the Bath in the Guinness Premiership. He plays as a hooker.
Quote:
Offy
Ross Batty
DOB 20th Sep 1986
Birthplace N Tyneside
Height 1.85 m (6' 1")
Weight 102 kg (16 st 0 lb)
Position Hooker
Club
Honours


Quote:
9215
Only 2 designated wingers at the moment. Are there other backs who can cover?
Carraro can cover; and the positional designations are all mine. There's also Woodburn in the academy who could probably step up if required.
Of greater concern than just wingers, is that we'll be starting the season with 9 backs, from which we'll be needing to find 7 starters and 3 for the bench - leaves us vulnerable to injuries (presumably we'll put an extra backrower on the bench ahead of academy kids initially).
I'd expect our early-season backline to be:
9. Claasens
10.Vesty
11.Carraro
12.Williams
13.Hipkiss
14.Biggs
15.Abendanon

20.Mercer/Fearns
21.McMillan
22.Scott



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 16/08/2011 08:28 by Which Tyler.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Tricky=Legend (IP Logged)
17 August, 2011 12:30
I happily stand corrected! For some reason I thought that when he and McMillan came, they were both Scottish!

Are we actually all convinced that Jack C is going to be with Scotland for the RWC? Able to cover wing and FB, it'd be good for us to get him back. Lots of murmurings as well that Banners might not be nailed on for a spot in the England squad, although I suspect he will go still.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
17 August, 2011 12:52
Any news on Lewis Moody's injury?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
17 August, 2011 13:55
Read in the Telegraph that he will go to WC and Fourie is out. Johnson expects him to play against Ireland.



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
17 August, 2011 23:27
Batty may well have age group representation for Scotland (it rings a bell, but can't be bothered to hunt further than wiki and offy), but I try to class players by birth place until they're committed to a country (full cap, A-grade or 7s).

Jack looks likely to go now that Southwell has pulled out.
Not nailed on, but likely.

Banas will be in the 30, but he's probably lost the 22 shirt to Delon (for now at least).

Moody (along with Sheridan and Youngs) should start against Ireland.



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
21 August, 2011 09:40

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
charlieboa (IP Logged)
27 August, 2011 10:59
any ideas on hoops injury and when hes due back? seemed to be strolling around fine last night so hopefully nothing serious.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Gussieboy (IP Logged)
02 September, 2011 07:21
I admit to being slightly confused, but I keep reading mention of Francois Louw being in the South African squad - I know he wasn't initially, but has he been added and is he in the squad now?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
devizes bath fan (IP Logged)
02 September, 2011 08:50
Thats right, Gussieboy.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)
02 September, 2011 09:05
Eastmond hasn't been selected again for St Helens - he's recovered from a slight injury yet is not even on their radar.

Surely it has to be better for both clubs and definitely the lad himself for him to be released early to get on with the next chapter in his life?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
charlieboa (IP Logged)
02 September, 2011 09:39
they look to set make play offs and if they get a few more injuries i am sure they would want to call on him.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
TallRugbyGirl (IP Logged)
03 September, 2011 18:28
Bell is on the bench so his elbow must have recovered...



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
03 September, 2011 19:13

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
09 September, 2011 13:08

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)
09 September, 2011 13:34
Hoops was taking no part in the run this morning so I'd guess it is an injury.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
09 September, 2011 16:04
I think Chris Cook has gone on loan to Esher.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
09 September, 2011 16:34

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
LOTW (IP Logged)
11 September, 2011 17:08
Quote:
Barters
I think Chris Cook has gone on loan to Esher.
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[news.bbc.co.uk]

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
11 September, 2011 18:07
Quote:
LOTW
Quote:
Barters
I think Chris Cook has gone on loan to Esher.
[i][/i]
[news.bbc.co.uk]

Looked like a baptism of fire - Esher lost to Bedford (good side) 55 - 6

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
BBandW (IP Logged)
13 September, 2011 10:39
Anyone heard anything recently about Ollie B ?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
13 September, 2011 11:32
He Tweeted Luke Watson last night saying that he was still a couple of months away. I think he'd do well to come back in November.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
13 September, 2011 11:38

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
16 September, 2011 12:41
Hoops back for this week.
Some speculation over Simon Taylor; most likely left out this week after that bruising around the eye last week, and simply not being worth risking it, so semi-rotation, semi-injured



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Widcombe Boy (IP Logged)
21 September, 2011 09:00
Any news on Big Ben Williams. Will he be fit for the Glaws game?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
21 September, 2011 11:33
Dead leg wasn't it? Assuming that diagnosis was right, then should be fine for this weak, depending on level of subsequent bruising.
Of course, they might chose to rest/rotate / select according to the opposition (12.Hipkiss 13.Carraro 11&14.Biggs&Bendy 15 Cuthbert)



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Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Sam Y (IP Logged)
21 September, 2011 13:27
I would of thought he would be back in training tomorrow but as WT has indicated, may well be on the bench if fit with Hipkiss and Carraro taking on the centre partnership against Glos.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
22 September, 2011 13:49
Williams looks touch and go for this weekend. I don't think he'll make it and we will have Carraro and Hipkiss in the centres, Abendanon on the wing and Cuthbert at full back.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
DanWiley (IP Logged)
22 September, 2011 14:40
"we will have Carraro and Hipkiss in the centres, Abendanon on the wing and Cuthbert at full back."

That's not the way they played it when Cuthbert came on last week.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
22 September, 2011 15:27
Quote:
DanWiley
"we will have Carraro and Hipkiss in the centres, Abendanon on the wing and Cuthbert at full back."
That's not the way they played it when Cuthbert came on last week.

I know.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
gaz909 (IP Logged)
22 September, 2011 16:47
just wondered if there was any update news on Olly?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
22 September, 2011 17:12
Quote:
gaz909
just wondered if there was any update news on Olly?
Was fortunate to receive a tweet back from OB1 last week - he say looking likely to be November - slowly but surely

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
26 September, 2011 00:20
I think Carl Fearns has injured his knee.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
26 September, 2011 11:01
If that is true Barters we are in deep trouble on Saturday!

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
26 September, 2011 11:04
Wonder if there is any provision in Josh Ovens' contract that would allow him back to us for a bit!?

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)
27 September, 2011 11:15
Post-Glaws video interview with Class shows Olly back in training, reckoned to be 2-3 weeks away from a return.

 
Re: Player News/Rumours/Injuries etc; 2011/12
King Curtis (IP Logged)
27 September, 2011 11:59
I think that might be a bit premature. We shall see.

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