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Re: New Signings for 2012
Rucking Carl (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 15:29
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Not inspiring at all, nor is the news we're only likely to sign a couple more.
Meanwhile Sale sign Cipriani and Gray.

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Diamond goes for "game changers". We go for Doris and Beech's mate.

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Sale certainly seem to know what they want and it may well succeed with their signings to date.

It's funny but I seem to remember that when we were linked with Cipriani, everyone thought he was the worst fly half that anyone could sign. Now he's actually signed for someone, he's apparently none too bad.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
OutsideBath (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 15:35
I wouldn't have been against Cipriani when we were desperate for a FH last summer, although must be honest I don't know enough about him to comment on the personality "issues".

My point was that Sale seem to be making signings for next season that will improve their squad, whereas we haven't really done anything. If Sale carry on like that they are likely to be another team that leaves us behind.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Rucking Carl (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 15:36
I'm sure we have done things, they're just unannounced as yet.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
OutsideBath (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 15:38
Your trust in our coaching team is greater than mine then, let's hope you're correct.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:31
The biggest squad improvement will come when SIM leaves and the replacement brings in his new team. The squad seem distrusting and disinterested in the encumbants!



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Re: New Signings for 2012
noidea (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:46
I'm with Carl - I reckon all of our signings have been made & will be announced when appropriate.

I hope the new Head coach is of s15 stock & it would be OK if he wanted to bring a couple of Boks with him. If the rumour of the new centre being a big name is true, I can't see him being a premiership player.

Like others have said our current team has plenty of talent & we only need to strengthen in a couple of areas. I'm sure SIM et al are aware of this & have worked with the new coach to put in place for next season.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:50
I'm 100% certain we haven't signed anyone else yet.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bri (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:57
I saw Tindall,is he are big signing.?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
noidea (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:58
Have some faith Marshie!

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:58
Haha, Bry, don't be so facetious.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 19:59
noidea, I have faith in the signings we will make, but I know we haven't signed any more than Webber and Day yet.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
noidea (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:01
Is it my imagination Brian or are you developing a sence of humour?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:02
Brian has had a developed sense of humour for as long as he's been posting. Remember the trousers!? And the salad cream on the eggs?! Hahah!

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bri (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:02
If we haven't signed anyone yet,does that imply we won't be a premiership player,as most would be signed now.Most of the top welsh players are jumping ship?



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:07
It means Bruce is having problems signing a half decent coach on his terms - he can't keep Geek attatched.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:09
I think the situation surrounding the incoming coach has something to do with it. I wouldn't rule out an English based player though.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:17
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but you don't improve by not playing)

Why don't Bath have another team in Regional SW3 for the Academy/Seconds to play regularly - like the Pro Soccer teams have their 2nd teams playing down the league structure?
The Monday night set-up is quite pointless.
Not practical. I think it is better players go out on loan and are then called back if needed, like English football teams do!!

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:32
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but you don't improve by not playing)

Why don't Bath have another team in Regional SW3 for the Academy/Seconds to play regularly - like the Pro Soccer teams have their 2nd teams playing down the league structure?
The Monday night set-up is quite pointless.
Not practical. I think it is better players go out on loan and are then called back if needed, like English football teams do!!
Playing the ball: It's also against RFU regulations; as we all found out when Pirates did precisely that and were forced to pull out.

Playing the man: Not that Bod's ever let a little thing like laws of the land, or competition regulations ever get in the way of a suggestion, again, and again, and again



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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:37
"I remember Caldwell copping flack when he was signed, why did we sign a guy thats going to get sent off all the time etc (based on his rep at the time)"

"Cardwell" reputation is an "ERE" urban myth. Facts below.

Caldwell discipline record

Attwood

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:38
really? I got that reputation from several ulster fans (TF70 or FF70 was their nickname for him).

They all said he was a fantastic player, with major disciplinary issues. They all all (or mostly) said Geech was probably the man to address this



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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:43
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WT, I think you are right about the Spencer/trust thing.

I think that, at the tender age of 19, Spencer is on track and from what I have seen of him this season will be a very good player.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 20:57
I agree, but it would have been nice to see him on the bench a bit more when we had no other locks



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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:02
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I'm hearing rumours of us courting another (British) no.8. That would be good, since Simon Taylor, although excellent, is not getting younger & is the only out-and-out 8 we have. Skirvs IMHO is better at 6, but then again Ovens & Fearns are pretty good 6s too!
(Sm109)

I am sure I remember Fearns was touted as the next England no 8 when we signed him, before he was injured I was very impressed with him, Taylor has spent a lot of the season looking after Heathcote, which may have restricted some of his open play. I think we have some very good talent in the back row, I look forward to see how it developes.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:05
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but you don't improve by not playing)

Why don't Bath have another team in Regional SW3 for the Academy/Seconds to play regularly - like the Pro Soccer teams have their 2nd teams playing down the league structure?
The Monday night set-up is quite pointless.
Not practical. I think it is better players go out on loan and are then called back if needed, like English football teams do!!
Playing the ball: It's also against RFU regulations; as we all found out when Pirates did precisely that and were forced to pull out.

Playing the man: Not that Bod's ever let a little thing like laws of the land, or competition regulations ever get in the way of a suggestion, again, and again, and again


What is the RFU rationale for that regulation?



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Re: New Signings for 2012
TCM2007 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:08
A team of professionals in an amateur league I guess.



Stuart

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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:38
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Which Tyler
I agree, but it would have been nice to see him on the bench a bit more when we had no other locks
Did he not have a mid season injury that hindered his progress/availability?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:42
Serious question, but what defines Professional, and also what prevents a non-Pro playing for a Pro team?



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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:47
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Which Tyler
really? I got that reputation from several ulster fans (TF70 or FF70 was their nickname for him).
They all said he was a fantastic player, with major disciplinary issues. They all all (or mostly) said Geech was probably the man to address this

4 yellow cards in 5 years is not a problem, a bit fact v leg pulling blarney stone kissers me thinks

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
TCM2007 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 21:50
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Serious question, but what defines Professional, and also what prevents a non-Pro playing for a Pro team?

Being paid I would imagine.

Non-pros frequently play for United; I don't know if they get paid.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 22:06
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Serious question, but what defines Professional, and also what prevents a non-Pro playing for a Pro team?
Nothing but the need to earn a living ?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
TCM2007 (IP Logged)
20 March, 2012 22:13
The regulation:

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4.2.1 No individual, body corporate or partnership, trust or any other entity (‘Entity’) may directly or indirectly own or control more than one Club except with the prior written consent of the RFU.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:22
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What is the RFU rationale for that regulation?
I may very well be wrong, but I think it's considered anti-competitive.
Having a feeder club is fine; actively running a second club is not (nor is a pro team running a 2nd XV in the leagues; although the salary cap would also render that impossible)



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:35
Is there a definition of what constitutes "Pro" - is a scholarship semi-Pro? Could BC2 control a small club in S.Wales for example outside the jurisdiction of RFU?

My angle is that it would be better for Bath to run other teams with their own development squads so the players actually play regularly under some kind of central guidance/evaluation rather than disappear off around the Championship in a random manner.

I know for example that Melksham, like most local clubs run 3 teams in 3 different leagues with free movement between the teams depending on ability and need.

Why should that option be denied to the Pro teams?



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Miles Offside (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:35
Ahem. It seems Sir Ian himself has quashed my aforementioned rumour of us recruiting a new back row player. Sorry about that.

That just leaves us to speculate on who we are lining up to take on the 13 shirt next season, bearing in mind that he must be worth letting Matt Carraro go for. Personally I'm hoping for JPP, since Steyn has announced he's staying in SA. What other names has anyone got on their wishlist?

(Sm109)

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:38
Is SIM setting out the recruitment policies for 2012-13 MO? All future recruitment goes through his office?
If that's the case then we're f()&Ked!



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Bri (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:40
I'm not 100% sure but I think older Academy boys are not allowed to play at to lower standard ie National 3.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 09:51
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Is there a definition of what constitutes "Pro" - is a scholarship semi-Pro? Could BC2 control a small club in S.Wales for example outside the jurisdiction of RFU?
My angle is that it would be better for Bath to run other teams with their own development squads so the players actually play regularly under some kind of central guidance/evaluation rather than disappear off around the Championship in a random manner.

I know for example that Melksham, like most local clubs run 3 teams in 3 different leagues with free movement between the teams depending on ability and need.

Why should that option be denied to the Pro teams?
I simply don't know; it might be fully pro, as in all players paid full-time wages; it might be members of PRL, it might be national leagues; Pirates got in trouble whilst in ND1 (can't recall how high their development team had climbed). I don't even know if it's the senior, or junior team's level that is the issue.
I don't know if running a team in Wales instead would be a breach, easily possible though, as Bath still come under the RFU's remit.

I broadly agree with your angle; though I'm unconvinced; would you rather Ovens (to take a random example) got plenty of experience playing Championship level rugby with limited input from the Bath coaches; or played in SW4 with lots of input?

You certainly wouldn't be able to run 2 teams from the same club with free movement between them - salary cap limits squad sizes to 35 or so which sometimes isn't even enough to run 1 team from. If you want free movement, then all would have to be included in the salary cap. What locals and amateur teams do is an entirely different beast.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
OBinexile (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:04
Isn't the obvious answer to get more, and better, games for the MOnday night?
ONe example SuperLeague 2nd teams have just been involved in the Pacific Nations Cup (or something). Its set up like the LV cup in that national development sides from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga, made up primarily from home players, play each of the SuperLeague development squads. (Its been 2 games a week so they've needed big squads!). The league is based on their relative results. Last season they then had a mass scrap between the Island sides - not sure if thats happening this year.
So, couldn't development sides from Georgia, Rumania, Russia, Spain, Portugal, etc, etc, tour Englands development squads?
Or why not more development side games - Bath A v Llanelli A might be worth watching?

Just a thought?

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Re: New Signings for 2012
Bri (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:07
My views on Anglo welsh game just end in the welsh wanting to fight,not worth it.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
OBinexile (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:09
I look forward to OFPs suppport then (Sm100)!
You gotta toughen them up somehow.....

OBinExile

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:24
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My views on Anglo welsh game just end in the welsh wanting to fight,not worth it.

Yes it IS Baldrick!
Pre-league structured rugby union (merit tables anyone?), THE encounter's of the season were the games with the non-swimming Irishmen who live across the severn.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
DA Bath (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 10:34
WT you are right, Caldwell certainly came with the nickname Cardwell and a repution for 70 min performance on Planet Rugby and the like. However sometimes these reputions come about from being a penalty machine rather than a yellow carder. Either way our coaches are certainly getting much more out of him than his previous ones were.

MO, gonna tell us who you heard the backrower was then?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Miles Offside (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 14:36
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...MO, gonna tell us who you heard the backrower was then?

Er, no. It was an unsubstantiated rumour that turned out to be wrong, so there's no point. I don't want to steal Neil Fissler's livelihood by publishing those! (Sm115)

(Sm109)

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
marshie10 (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 14:52
Miles, you don't want to upset me again, haha. Poor old Neil.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Miles Offside (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 15:00
Just banter Marshie,
">just banter


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Re: New Signings for 2012
TCM2007 (IP Logged)
21 March, 2012 18:20
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Is there a definition of what constitutes "Pro" - is a scholarship semi-Pro? Could BC2 control a small club in S.Wales for example outside the jurisdiction of RFU?
My angle is that it would be better for Bath to run other teams with their own development squads so the players actually play regularly under some kind of central guidance/evaluation rather than disappear off around the Championship in a random manner.

I know for example that Melksham, like most local clubs run 3 teams in 3 different leagues with free movement between the teams depending on ability and need.

Why should that option be denied to the Pro teams?

Adult players are either "contracted" or "amateur" under RFU regulations. Contracted players may be paid; amateur ones can't.

A player can't be registered in more than one country, so your cross border scheme wouldn't work.

Our "B" team plays in an official RFU league, the A League, so couldn't also play in another league.

Presumably we could re-invent the Spartans and play them in a lower league, but we don't have a big enough squad to cope with three teams.



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Re: New Signings for 2012
noidea (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 13:31
Think it's about time for another signing to be announced...
new head coach to be announced before the game on Saturday anyone?

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
retired (IP Logged)
30 March, 2012 21:43
Not before a game, I think it would disrupt team preparation and they will want to maximise the “headlines” so a quiet Tuesday or Wednesday is good, but you may be right that we may have an announcement soon.
How long did Salvi sign at the cheaters for? I though he was medical cover for Newby and with Moody retired could be a good replacement.
Frans Steyn is out of contract and considering his options, would be a great signing with his flexibility to play FB/FH/C, worth serious consideration and a serious amount of dosh.
Although we have 2 in the bank, we could be looking at another 3 or 4 signings and somewhere in that lot I would like a creative centre.

 
Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
05 April, 2012 18:27
Leinster dig-up a Euro qualified S15 Porp

Scott Johnson will be doing the same for Robbo



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Re: New Signings for 2012
Bod (IP Logged)
09 April, 2012 07:52
Perpignan look at Blair

Denton has an Irish Mum!



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