In terms of the original post my feeling is one of Bath not being "elite."
That is not to say our players do not work hard or want to win. It is not to suggest that they can't be bothered or are untalented.
However from the outside Bath have appeared for the last 5-10 years to be a squad who are good players who can play a good game. But they do not seem to have the consistent belief/hunger/desire/professionalism/rage/lucky pants/ whatever it is that the Tigers have, the great Wasps side have and what Saracens seem to be developing.
Everyone works hard at their jobs and gives up things they want to do, especially if they are good at their jobs. But to be at the top of a profession you need to be single minded. Judging by the league positions and England representation we have had over the last few years this seems to be missing.
I'm sure the players do think a lot of people on here are idiots and no doubt some of us are, and no doubt they don't like hearing the criticism. But the truth is for however hard they are working, or how limited Marshie thinks everyone else's knowledge of rugby is; bottom of our HC pool and 10th from 12 in the AP are the facts and anything else is just opinion.
Elite organizations set the tone from the top and do not accept anything less than the best from all. By this measure Bath have a long way to go I terms of leadership and staffing.
Businesses are judged by their customers, public services by their users and sports teams by their fans. I don't see why this is such an issue to some?