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Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 16:26

I put this out on another thread but would welcome Ereite comment. I am very sorry to write this but until everyone involved with our once great club admits reality, from our owner, the management team, coaches and players and us long suffering supporters, we will NEVER see the improvements and success which we ALL crave. I can assure you all, I want nothing but to see Bath back at the very top again each and every season!

Forget the bleading Amlin and the LV. The way I see it this season is ALL about survival in the Premiership.

The way we are 'throwing' games by leaking penalties and points at the death is truly alarming and IMHO very UNPROFESSIONAL!!! Its about time the lads were paid by results only and no win MEANS no pay! Watch them improve then, whatever the coaches have or have not told them to do.

Get real folks forget the HC we cannot even beat a very weak French second team with our so called first team, and until we can win at home regularly, we are wasting our time in Europe or anywhere else at present.

For Glasgow it has to be the United to save our 'first' team from any damage (to their delicate egos and bodies) and let them rest for the coming battle agianst Newcastle. Make no mistake, Mewcastle have targeted the game at the Rec as their make or break for this season. If we lose we are in very real danger of the drop.


It might mean a clear out of all personel, players and coaches alike but something radical has to happen.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 16:35

As I said to your original post, paying only by wins even if a good idea (it's not) cannot be done, the players have contracts.

Nor can we put out United against atlas go, you pick from the registered Euro squad.

As for Newcastle we've been increasing the gap between us and Newcastle each week so I can't see where you're coming from there.



Stuart

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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: bathfanstuckinhighwycombe (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:06

TBH I do agree with some of the things u have said in the 1st post. Yeah things do have to change and very quickly it pains me to watch Bath play like this.
We cant put out our united team against glasgow but people have to come back in ie Mears, Donald, Carraro and if fit Hooper.
But I agree about being UNPROFESSIONAL looking at teams like Sarries, Ulster, Harlequins and even Cardiff they would have walloped that 2nd montpellier team yesterday
I think we will finish up about 7th or 8th but changes will come in the summer (I hope)

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Blocks2u (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:14

The reality is that Bath are no longer the great side they once were and they have no divine right to be again.
Win lose or draw I love walking to the Rec with my friends and enjoy the camaraderie of the many I meet up with once a fortnight (on average) when I get there.
The negativity that ere seems to convey is a vociferous minority of the Rec faithful who find it somehow comforting to vent their spleen in the only way they can muster.
No real fan can be happy with the way things are going but some of the reactions on ere are completely over the top.



Ian

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:17

Quote:
Blocks2u
The reality is that Bath are no longer the great side they once were and they have no divine right to be again.
Win lose or draw I love walking to the Rec with my friends and enjoy the camaraderie of the many I meet up with once a fortnight (on average) when I get there.
The negativity that ere seems to convey is a vociferous minority of the Rec faithful who find it somehow comforting to vent their spleen in the only way they can muster.
No real fan can be happy with the way things are going but some of the reactions on ere are completely over the top.

Agree.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:19

Apart from boosting our front 5, I don't think a lot will change, and I don't think it should.

Bath have lacked one key thing in the last 5 or so years, continuity. A large part of the reason we have never really threatened is because we have never been settled. We haven't had the same captain for two seasons for a long time, we've got a lot of new players, a lot of new combinations, a pretty new owner and CEO, a new DoR and a new 10. These things all take time to settle into place, sure they haven't settled in as quickly as we would like on the pitch, but we can't be so impatient.

A lot of the players read ERE and they must think how shocking a lot of the fans are. I know they haven't been playing well, but the sh*t chat on ERE is not going to help!!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:21

A significant minority of fans react to a loss with anger. I've never really understood that to be honest. I have an emotional reaction to winning or losing, but never anger.

I guess it's about personalities.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 17:29

Ian, an utterly brilliant post! I've started finding ERE quite embarrassing to be a part of at times. Knowing that a lot of people at the club read it, I'm ashamed of some of the things that they must read. Imagine being a player and reading some of the things written about them, although it's coming from someone who probably has a severely limited rugby knowledge, it still must be pretty demoralising, afterall we are their fans!

I'm not innocent by the way, I've slagged off the odd player but hopefully not to the degree some do.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Lost Soul (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:03

Reality check

1 win in 8
Correct position in premiership. The results don't lie
Out of HC after the 3rd match AGAIN
Inconsistant team
Fragile confidence
Seen as easy points by all home or away

Weirdly the rugby being played isn't as bad as I have seen in the past, but if Newcastle make progress now tait is gone which could easily happen then we will be playing in nat div 1.
Kind of reminds me of what happened to Northampton a few seasons ago
Rich owner world famous dor and suddenly a drop in form

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: WilliamBlessing (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:10

Who is Ian? Which is his post?

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:15

In terms of the original post my feeling is one of Bath not being "elite."

That is not to say our players do not work hard or want to win. It is not to suggest that they can't be bothered or are untalented.

However from the outside Bath have appeared for the last 5-10 years to be a squad who are good players who can play a good game. But they do not seem to have the consistent belief/hunger/desire/professionalism/rage/lucky pants/ whatever it is that the Tigers have, the great Wasps side have and what Saracens seem to be developing.

Everyone works hard at their jobs and gives up things they want to do, especially if they are good at their jobs. But to be at the top of a profession you need to be single minded. Judging by the league positions and England representation we have had over the last few years this seems to be missing.

I'm sure the players do think a lot of people on here are idiots and no doubt some of us are, and no doubt they don't like hearing the criticism. But the truth is for however hard they are working, or how limited Marshie thinks everyone else's knowledge of rugby is; bottom of our HC pool and 10th from 12 in the AP are the facts and anything else is just opinion.

Elite organizations set the tone from the top and do not accept anything less than the best from all. By this measure Bath have a long way to go I terms of leadership and staffing.

Businesses are judged by their customers, public services by their users and sports teams by their fans. I don't see why this is such an issue to some?



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:22

WB, Ian is Blocks2u.

ERE clearly counts for little when it comes to supporters feelings, otherwise the Rec's attendances would be next to none!!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: David in the Hamptons Stand (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:24

Businesses are judged by their customers, public services by their users and sports teams by their fans. I don't see why this is such an issue to some?

Fair point, Ken. The feedback and opinions of supporters (a word which, in itself, implies a more analytical and critical outlook than fans) should be welcomed and considered by any club.

But giving those opinions carries a responsibility too - to strive to be objective, to avoid personal abuse, to criticise performance and not personality. Many of the rants we see on here make thier writers lookinfantile, unrealistic and lacking any judgement to recommend them as serious sources for improvement feedback. Just look at the OP !

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: m0rris (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:31

BoB I agree with your sentiment but I disagree with alot of what you say. By this I mean that things aren't great at Bath and I do really want change but I think you overcook our situation ATM.

Bath are facing mid table mediocrity nothing worse. We lie 12 points of a QF place as well as relegation. Falcons are unlikely to find 12 points to overhaul us and if anyone should look over their should it's Wasps who have redefined playing like a bag of spanners.

The reason why we are losing games is common sense, or rather a lack thereof. We aren't playing with or brains but by a textbook. The problem is the other teams know the contents of said textbook and throw us a few curved balls and suddenly we look pants again. The lack of common sense is also leading to rash decisions that give away matches at the death.

SIM isn't the man to win us a Heine cup, he's been trading on his reputation for years IMHO. If he was the business I sense he wouldn't have been bimbling around at Glaws having been pushed out of Wasps. However we're at a crisis point in terms of off pitch shenanigans; we need to maintain stability off pitch to improve our results, Sacking SIM doesn't do that, parcelling him off and further away from a supplemented coaching group would go some way to doing that.

I do feel that the old saying "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing" IMHO this echoes strongly here at Bath seeing as BC2 likes to get involved alot more than other owners. Moody (bless him) and SIM are the consequences of that... he wanted them so he got them.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:34

"A lot of the players read ERE and they must think how shocking a lot of the fans are. I know they haven't been playing well, but the sh*t chat on ERE is not going to help!!"

I guess we should be praising them regardless of their performance Marshie? Get real, the STHs and fans keep the whole plot going, we are entitled to an opinion, and right now many opinions reflect the poor performances that we are witnessing.Not sure what business you are in, if you are in an industry where rubbish performance is met with ambivolence and no challenges then good for you, most of the real world isjust a tiny bit tougher.

And, actually, there are not that many posters that villify individual players, some I admit but not many. Questioning the ability of the coach/DoR is something different, I have complained about him vociferously and will continue until he either a. gets a talented group of players to start winning or b. ships his a*%e out! Simple eh?

The remark some days ago when Chiefs turned in another rock solid performance, regarding how Rob Baxter was getting the best out of a squad of non-household-name players, and why SIM was not able to do the same, was met by silence by the SIMites. Figures I guess!

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:35

Completely fair DITHS, I agree that calling someone something unsavory is quite different from calling the seasons performance as abject.

Though it seems some on ERE think criticism and anger at yet another unacceptable performance by well paid professionals and in some cases internationals, is heresy.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: rodoftherec (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:47

Well sorry Marshie but I disagree with you. I have been watching Bath since the days when if we lost to Bristol by less than 30 points we considered it a moral victory. Also in terms of rogby knowledge I played two games for Bath rugby years back - that doesn't make my opinion any better than anyone else's but I think it makes me less than an idiot poster.

Without getting too philosophical there is IMO a deep lying cause for our demise. We were the first ( even only ) club to embrace professionalism and we won everything for nearly a decade. We thought we were invincible - just turn up and we have won. That was epitomised years ago when we released Barnes to the Barbarians and lost in the cup to Waterloo ( Grayson et al ).

I don't think we have ever recovered ( I use the word carefully ) from those glory days. All at the club - players, coaches and management - have failed to come to terms with the reality which is that over the years other clubs have caught up in terms of being professional and recruitment.

We still exist in a false dream that we have a divine right to be up there at the top, even though we have a @#$%& ground and horrible facilities for the fans.

I am not being melodramatic ( look up the definition those who posted I was ) I am looking at RESULTS AND LEAGUE / CUP POSITIONS AND TRIES SCORED and on current form we could well get relegated ( not certain I agree ).

We have too many overpaid prima donnas at all levels of the club who are all in their comfort zone.

If our attitude was more like that of Exeter - who know how hard it is to achieve anything because they never have - then we just might be in the top four and the HC.

Not gonna happen guys and gals without something changing PDQ !

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:55

The only thing to be concerned about is the new coaching team at Newcastle, we should assume that their performances will improve.

That could trigger an improvement in Wasps too so we cannot be complacent.

If SIM gets moved somewhere it has to be out of the way of responsibility for the coaching IMO and I can't see him becoming a glorified Facilities Manager. He stays or goes.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 18:58

KS, I'm not saying we should praise them regardless. But some feel that they lack commitment and heart, but these guys are putting their bodies on the line week in week out, with most carrying an injury of some sort! For most of the season, we have had every single fit player in the matchday squad! That's how short we've been, and how long the injury list has been.

rod, surely as someone who has been watching Bath for so long you have seen the DoR/Head coach change, and with this you very very rarely see instant success. Some fans just expect Bath to win because we have a very wealthy owner, or because we are Bath. This is not the case, as I've stated above, we have gone through mass change, and it will take some time for us to get back to winning ways. It will help when we can actually pick the same team for a string of games!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 19:15

A lot of sense in what you say RodoftheRec - I'd extend that feeling of a sence of "right to win" to us fans too, which probably explains the extraordinary reaction of many.

I generally think we're over analysing.

This squad is capable of top half, with occasional playoffs, no more.

It's been a heavily disrupted season with a new coaching team and with lynchpins of the side like Donald and Louw coming in cold half way through. Add some horrible injury luck - we couldn't field an actual hooker at all for one game if you remember - and to be only a half dozen points off our "true" position isn't that bad.

Of course we'd like to be top 4 material, but we're not and to get there will involve finding and developing youngsters, but that takes time.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 19:28

"The only thing to be concerned about is the new coaching team at Newcastle, we should assume that their performances will improve. "

Not to mention their defence which has been leaking tries all season, will be hugely improved with Ford running it.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 19:31

Bet it won't make any difference. They still have a squad with not one player capable of making the top 60 in Englnd, and an Academy with not one Englnd U20.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 19:33

Agree with Stuart, they will go down and not come back up.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: recduckboarder (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 19:55

What I am finding sad is the increasing acceptance on ERE that we are and so far ahead as we can see accept we will be second grade not only this season, but for many to come.

We, the supporters are customers who are being let down by unprofessionalism on the pitch, losing in the last minutes of the game, but also I suggest off.

We are trying to buy our way to the top, not creating it; how is it that Donald whom we signed in the summer, but had to await the the end of the World Cup for him to arrive unfit. We had a brilliant potential in Freddie Burns, who stated publically the "hardest decision was leaving Bath" The hooker who went to Tigers after his TWO games in the First XV being nominated as Man of the Match, Ovens is leant to Brist after the same, making room for an expensive signing.

We have a huge asset in our supporters, 12k+ still watching when the English Champions can get 5k if they are lucky! But for how much longer? I worry I am hearing doubts about renewing season tickets growing...............

We cannot go on like this.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:05

My understanding of Burns leaving,was A money.B Ollie influence allegly saying he could come and live with him.C they said he would be in the first team squad,straight away.
The hard part of his decision was if it was good for him.
I for one would play Ovens every week.
Jarvis is getting good game time at Ospreys

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Peasedown Exile (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:21

Relax guys, Rome was not built in a day. It all will come together for us in the future, that, i am certain.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:33

What I'm saying about Newcastle is we shouldn't be complacent, that is what leads to problems. Assuming they won't lose many players to the 6N, that is their opportunity, the coaches will be sure to drum that into them. I know it shouldn't happen, but if they win at the Rec and one other, they'll be only a few points away.

In a funny way, being close points wise to both bottom and HC placings, our coaches will find it difficult to have a strategy to psyche the players up as we aren't good enough to just pump them full of compliments during training and not bad enough to create a siege mentality.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:37

I think that was drummed into them while the world cup was on and that didn't work.Newcastle will go down and we will finish higher than Wasps.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:37

Well, personally, I'm sick and tired of fans on a forum disagreeing with me, and feel that nothing will change with this club until everyone here has come around to my point of view.

I'm also sick and tired of transition and change, and seeing confusion and low morale from the players.
I suggest that the club change this by replacing all the coaches so that we go through another year or two of transition and confusion as the players get used to yet another different gameplan. I also think that breaching contract by withholding pay, combined with a few cases of unfair dismissal will make us a more attractive place for new players to come to whilst simultaneously improving morale of our existing squad.

I feel that this club was highly successful 30-20 years ago, and see no reason for this to have changed, whatsoever - aside of course from the onset of professionalism, changes in ownership, changes in coaching staff and changes in playing staff. I therefore accept nothing short of a top 2 finish every year, as bubbles don't burst and change doesn't happen.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:41

Totally agree, I think.(Sm151)

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:46

Quote:
recduckboarder
What I am finding sad is the increasing acceptance on ERE that we are and so far ahead as we can see accept we will be second grade not only this season, but for many to come.
We, the supporters are customers who are being let down by unprofessionalism on the pitch, losing in the last minutes of the game, but also I suggest off.

We are trying to buy our way to the top, not creating it; how is it that Donald whom we signed in the summer, but had to await the the end of the World Cup for him to arrive unfit. We had a brilliant potential in Freddie Burns, who stated publically the "hardest decision was leaving Bath" The hooker who went to Tigers after his TWO games in the First XV being nominated as Man of the Match, Ovens is leant to Brist after the same, making room for an expensive signing.

We have a huge asset in our supporters, 12k+ still watching when the English Champions can get 5k if they are lucky! But for how much longer? I worry I am hearing doubts about renewing season tickets growing...............

We cannot go on like this.

Excellent post RecDB.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 20:55

Nice one Which. smiling smiley



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:04

Beautiful WT!!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:05

Sums it up for me WT!(Sm152)



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:26

We are 9th in the League and out of the other two competitions with 3 and a half months of the season to run. That is reality.

Anyone for tennis?(Sm11)



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:27

Why does everyone bang on about transition time, gelling over a season, 3 year plan....all other prevarications. Sale ripped the bollox out of their club last year and they are transformed. Pro-players get paid to deliver results - not progress through some painful, slow process of making relationships, establishing partnerships, growing telepathies etc. Look at the RWC crud delivered by Lurch and crew after christ knows how long together, yet Tonga have a week together and tank France, similar scenarios to Argentina and Samoa.
THAT philosophy and argument benefits incompetent coaches and lazy players.
That's my take.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:29

In what sense are we out of the LV Annie? Top of the group, 5pts clear of 2nd place last time I looked!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:32

I think not being in the HC helped Sale been able to win a few games in the Amlin gaining confidence and with no level of expectation on them.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:35

Would give our eye teeth to be 9th, sorry, we are 10th as of today!

(Pssst, don't tell the players though, they would be hurt and distressed)



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:35

Maybe so, but I am just looking at the top of the other groups. Of course miracles do happen .........................



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:37

Bod, the "transformed" Sale have won a whole game (count it) more than us. Whoopy-do.



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:39

Quote:
annie blackthorn
Maybe so, but I am just looking at the top of the other groups.

FFS...

We beat one of those invincible sides a fortnight ago...



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:41

Quote:
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I think not being in the HC helped Sale been able to win a few games in the Amlin gaining confidence and with no level of expectation on them.

Healines! "Bath confirm Pi$$ Poor performance down to Heiney Cup exertions!"

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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:45

Not sure what you are getting at Bod,are you trying to say you don't agree with me.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:47

OK so I'm wrong and you are undubitably right, but also an a obsessive of the first order Stuart!

Do so hope that you are indeed going to crowing "I told you so" by the end of the season when BB&W come home with the bacon of 6th place and a finalists medal!



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:50

That's the spirit Annie don't let the bast-r-s get you down,a bit of positive before bed.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: marshie10 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:52

KS, do you enjoy being an @#$%&?



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Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:56

As you like Annie.

You said we're out of the LV, in fact we currently have the best record of any team in it. You can think the difference is "obsessive" if you like.

Hope you don't apply similar accuracy criteria in other parts of your life...



Stuart

Editor of Come On My Lovers

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: Bri (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 21:59

We will be out of it,I predict a loss in both games,as we rest our tired players.Northampton and Exeter will beat us.

 
Re: Face reality please-everyone!
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 January, 2012 22:05

Such is the strangeness of the LV that we could lose both games and still go through.

The Saints game is hard to call. While in a straight match they'd win, they will be missing virtually their hole 1st team, and have no need to target the LV.



Stuart

Editor of Come On My Lovers

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