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Lewis Moody
Discussion started by Hamptonite , 21 February, 2012 22:08
Lewis Moody
Hamptonite 21 February, 2012 22:08
A few tweets tonight would suggest that Lewis may have a shoulder injury.

Not really sure as even Lewis's tweets are not obvious! I hope that I am wrong!

Re: Lewis Moody
Stone Poet 21 February, 2012 22:25
Lewis Moody? Injured? Surely not!

Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 21 February, 2012 23:07
Isnt it his shoulder he's off with?



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Re: Lewis Moody
Widcombe boy 22 February, 2012 08:19
From Twitter

Lewis Moody@LewisMoody7


"Anyone got a shoulder i could borrow mine is doing my nut in!"


Lewis Moody@LewisMoody7

"cheers for all the offers, if only i was a surgeon could mke good use of them. :-)"

Re: Lewis Moody
Benger_Boy 22 February, 2012 08:26
Quote:
Stone Poet
Lewis Moody? Injured? Surely not!
Exactly my first thought.



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Re: Lewis Moody
dodger 22 February, 2012 15:50
Release him at the end of the season this is getting beyond a joke
the money can be better spent

Re: Lewis Moody
Which Tyler 22 February, 2012 15:57
The money won't be available to be spent if we do that (without a get out clause) something called a contract?
Breach that, and (I think) it still counts in the cap.
Loan him out on the other hand...



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Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 22 February, 2012 16:05
The only way we could release him from his contract like that is if he's got a long-term career threatening injury like Trevor Woodman. As long as Moody keeps recovering after a few months and plays half a game or so before breaking down again, he'll be here all next season.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bri 22 February, 2012 16:27
When we first signed him I will be the first to admit I thought WoW,now it has gone so badly wrong not just for the club but the player aswell.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/02/2012 16:33 by Brian4455.

Re: Lewis Moody
noidea 22 February, 2012 16:30
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Brian4455
When we first signed him I will be the firsttoadmit I thought WoW,now ithas gone so badly wrong not just Lethe clum but the player aswell.
come again?

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 22 February, 2012 16:55
2 years with 3rd option I thought - bin time



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Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 22 February, 2012 17:02
Depends on whose option it is.

Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 22 February, 2012 17:34
Quote:
Ex-Bod
2 years with 3rd option I thought - bin time

It was only ever publically stated as 3 at the time. You may well be right though - have you seen it confirmed like that?



Stuart

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Re: Lewis Moody
Which Tyler 22 February, 2012 17:42
Given that rumour had it that he chose us because of the extra year's contract we offered over tigers; I doubt that the extra is negotiable from our side.
Could well be wrong though, 'tis speculation



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Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 22 February, 2012 17:43
Just from knowledgable conversation - if it is a straight 3 years, whoever signed it off should be fired!



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Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 22 February, 2012 17:44
Steve Meehan added to your sacking list then.

Do'h!



Stuart

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Re: Lewis Moody
noidea 22 February, 2012 17:47
that wouldn't be SIM would it Bod?

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 22 February, 2012 18:03
It wouldn't have been Smee in the first place - he brought in players like Salvi , snaffled up by Tiggers. Eh?



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Re: Lewis Moody
Johns 22 February, 2012 18:44
Tigers offered him a contract which it is suggested was for less than his previous contract due to his absence with the RWC and the possibility of injuries. This was withdrawn because we had to move forward.

The good news is that Salvi has just confirmed on the Leicester Tigers Rugby Show that his contract with us is for two years and he would like to stay longer.

Re: Lewis Moody
annie blackthorn 22 February, 2012 19:03
That's right. Send him to the knackers yard sharp quick!(Sm161)

Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 22 February, 2012 19:10
They already did, Anne. We're talking about what Bath should do with him next year.

Re: Lewis Moody
johnnyf 22 February, 2012 19:16
So much for signing "marquee players" with a load of reputation but little future!
He's a good guy but has turned out to be a very poor investment.

Re: Lewis Moody
annie blackthorn 22 February, 2012 19:16
sigh

Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 22 February, 2012 21:08
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Ex-Bod
It wouldn't have been Smee in the first place - he brought in players like Salvi , snaffled up by Tiggers. Eh?

He was a Blofeld/Meehan signing.



Stuart

Former ed.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bri 22 February, 2012 21:54
I heard he is playing at the weekend,so who said he's injured?

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 22 February, 2012 22:28
Blofeld/Craig/Grandad knob scratch more like



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Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 22 February, 2012 22:33
You have diary issues Bod; Lewis signed for us about four weeks after SIM started at Gloucester.



Stuart

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Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 22 February, 2012 22:59
Still never a Smee signing



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Re: Lewis Moody
BBandW 23 February, 2012 07:45
I really don't suppose LM is too happy about his injuries. Reading some of the posts above it sounds like he gets injured on purpose.

Re: Lewis Moody
Lost Soul 23 February, 2012 07:53
It's an interesting comparison between Taylor and Moody
Both came to Bath with a history of getting Injuryed, but Taylor seems to have got through with very few problems and Lewis with some further serious injuries.

Just shows how fickle and risky the game is.

If it had been the other way around we would have been praising Moody and critising Taylor.

If this injury is serious and carreer ending, I wish him the best and it is a shame he didn't get to show his metal at Bath

Re: Lewis Moody
Bri 23 February, 2012 07:53
I don't believe he is injured and think he might play this weekend,hope so to.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 23 February, 2012 07:54
He was fit enough for Lurches glee club last year,but not for Bath - unfortunate?



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Re: Lewis Moody
Miles Offside 23 February, 2012 10:07
I appear to be alone in thinking he was a great signing. Let me explain
- It demonstrated Bath's genuine ambition to be in the top flight. I remember the grins on the faces of all the supporters I know when it was announced.
- it sent a message to the rugby world that Bath is where the England Captain belongs.
- The squad has got to be better when someone like Lew Moody is involved at training & planning sessions. Motivational/inspirational etc etc.
- As mentioned above, if he'd responded as well as Simon Taylor to the physical conditioning regime here, he would be first name on the teamsheet. That was a risk, albeit a significant one.

It's easy to criticise when the man hasn't had the chance to show us his mettle on the pitch, and MJ's shambolic management of the England team is IMHO more to blame than LM is for that. He was obviously not fit enough to be at the World Cup, but MJ needed a captain & a leader, and Lew put his body on the line for his country - an objectively poor decision but one that he couldn't possibly not make under the circumstances. The man has a huge heart, we all know that.

I hope now that, without the international pressure, the Bath medical team can get and keep him fit and show us why he's one of the best English players of his generation.

(Incidentally, his book has been "remaindered" since the WC and you can pick it up for a couple of quid in The Works in Westgate Street)

(Sm109)

Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 23 February, 2012 10:19
Quote:
Miles Offside
(Incidentally, his book has been "remaindered" since the WC and you can pick it up for a couple of quid in The Works in Westgate Street)

(Sm109)

You'd have to pay me alot more than £2 to relive England's WC campaign.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 23 February, 2012 10:24
I remember the grin on Moody's face when he copped the contract, and the grimace on mine



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Re: Lewis Moody
Miles Offside 23 February, 2012 10:26
...*sigh*...

(Sm109)

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 23 February, 2012 10:36

Re: Lewis Moody
WestonDave 23 February, 2012 10:44
As an international player that can be replaced by someone else when he's not fit, he's an outstanding player.

However for the realities of club rugby under a salary cap, his signing wasn't a sign of ambition or that Bath is where the England captain belongs - it was a sign that we are mugs with an owner that likes the qudos of having the England captain in his club.

Assuming we are up to the salary cap at present, we are pretty much on a one in, one out situation. We've signed Webber for Dixon, and Day possibly for Beattie. Josh Ovens contract is up, he's unlikely to take another loan deal, so if we can't keep him because we've tied resources up with Moody does that still look like the sign of a club with forward looking ambition or one making vanity signings from the past?

Moody as a player in isolation is a great player and no doubt a great guy, but once you start considering him from a club squad perspective, Tigers had the right idea.

(Incidentally I see from the Bristol Evening post that Bruce has promised Bristol we won't recall Ovens during their playoffs, so if Moody is injured we have one less option!)

Re: Lewis Moody
WilliamBlessing 23 February, 2012 10:47
I don't really understand how this "twittering" works but for those that do....[twitter.com]


[www.lewismoody.co.uk]

Re: Lewis Moody
Bri 23 February, 2012 10:49
Moody will play this weekend,

Re: Lewis Moody
TCM2007 23 February, 2012 10:51
The salary cap goes up quite a lot next year WD, £300k from memory, plus the marquee player, so it's not one in one out.

Quote:
his signing wasn't a sign of ambition or that Bath is where the England captain belongs - it was a sign that we are mugs with an owner that likes the qudos of having the England captain in his club.

Which way you see it depends entirely on your view of BC and what he's trying to do. You can use it as evidence either way.



Stuart

Former ed.

Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 23 February, 2012 10:52
Quote:
Ex-Bod
I remember the grin on Moody's face when he copped the contract, and the grimace on mine

Where you looking at yourself in a mirror at the time?

Re: Lewis Moody
WestonDave 23 February, 2012 11:14
Stuart - true enough, although that £300k is going to get eroded if we've given players we've given new contracts to a payrise (e.g. Bendy), if we promote Heathcote and Woodburn from Academy salaries, and if Webber and Day are paid more than say Dixon and Beattie.

Brian - given that on Tuesday Moody was tweeting about his shoulder doing his nut in, he's either into some spectacular mind games or he won't be fit by this weekend!

Re: Lewis Moody
devizes bath fan 23 February, 2012 11:26
Wasn't he reportedly going to play last weekend in which case he could have been irritated that his comeback game/new injury has been postponed a week.

Re: Lewis Moody
Dan Wiley 23 February, 2012 11:33
Not only do we have to increase the money of those renewing this year, we've also got to keep budget for those that will renew in future. No good saying to a player next year 'we'd love to give you the 10% everyone got last year due to the cap increase, but we can't it when on that new player in last year instead.'

I suspect we've not got much money to spend that that's why we've not got Morgan or Jenkins, so not getting them doesn't mean we've got £250k that would would of spent on them.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bod 23 February, 2012 11:48
I reckon £250k is around half of what Gethin will collect per season in France.......Morgan? What's he after - 2 or 3 year deal? I'd go for 2 year deal and see how it goes!



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Re: Lewis Moody
Old Bathonian 24 February, 2012 07:00
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Brian4455
Moody will play this weekend,

So who is being dropped ?

Re: Lewis Moody
winger90 24 February, 2012 07:43
There is a space on the bench this weekend as Josh Ovens has been named at 6 for Bristol, and Bath have assured them that he will be with Bristol for the whole of the playoff so assume they wont mess him around this week. Tom Bradshaw tweeted that Carl Fearns will play which will be great to see. He could be on the bench, but Tom said if Attwood hasn't recovered then Fearns will play 6 and Skirvs will move into the second row where he played against Exeter in the LV

Re: Lewis Moody
Tricky=Legend 24 February, 2012 09:08
Several things to say here. Firstly, Lewis Moody wants to play rugby and is 100% committed to Bath (I think we can see that by the way he's thrown himself around when he has played). He's not wanted to be injured. What is true however is that we took a risk on a great (but injury prone) player and it's not come off. We got rid of Mike Catt because he kept getting injured (well, I hear he was offered a pay as you pay contract and understandably refused) and look what he did for London Irish for the next 6-7 years! Moody was a big gamble and it's not paid off, but I do understand some of the thought process in it. Retrospect is a powerful thing after all.

Secondly, I can't believe we don't have some money left in the cap as we were definitely talking to Gethin Jenkins. He wanted too much in the end, but if we've decided we don't need anyone new at LHP, then that money we had set aside for him will now be free. Someone on another post put the full new cap detail on recently but I think that it goes up by £400k next year, someone becomes a marquee player (and therefore removed from the cap - Donald I would guess) and we get an additional £80k (or maybe more) for having more than six (I think it's six) academy players in our first team squad - which we do. Webber will be on a decent wedge, Dom Day average I would think. Beattie is off, as is Dixon and probably Bell. Even if some players salaries go up next year, a few others might come down. I don't think the extra will mean more big names coming through, but we've got enough to cover Ovens and 1-2 new players I think.

Back to the point - Moody is on a three year deal and we just have to accept that. Sadly I now almost feel that I'm not sure I want him to be fit too much of next year as I would rather see Mercer and Ovens get game time. As I said on another post last week, because of who he is and how much we've paid, I feel he may not get selected on form but on reputation, that means if all our back row are fit, Fearns or Taylor might end up on the bench and Skirving, Mercer & Ovens could miss out all together.

I for one hope that Moody proves us all wrong and makes a real difference to next season, he does have the ability to still do so IMHO. If he doesn't then Bath will have to put it down to experience and be glad of the young talent we have to replace him.

Re: Lewis Moody
Bri 24 February, 2012 09:19
Spot on for me except when Fearns is fit and I believe he will bench this week,he will become one of the first names on the team sheet.
You got to feel for Moody,the last thing he wants is to be injured as he knows his playing days are coming to a end he will want to play as much as he can.

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