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The Scrum
noidea (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 12:50
During the world cup there was a lot of talk of reforming the rules on the scrum & I think the IRB had asked (or were given) the opinions of several renowned members of the dark arts...

I believe the general consensus was that something had to be done to make the front rows safer, 1 suggestion was for props to bind first & then everyone else so that injuries would be reduced.

My very limited understanding of the front row makes me think that this would mean that big scrummaging props would become obsolete in favour of the more dynamic players a la Catt & Perenise. This reform would probably be favoured by many in the Southern hemisphere as they spend a lot less time scrummaging in anycase.

I was wondering if SIM (being well respected / connected at the IRcool smiley has been given the heads up that there will be change on the horizon & investing in an expensive scrummager may be a waste of cap.

What do you think?

Re: The Scrum
Bod (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 13:10
"Feed straight!"

The ref runs the scrum.


Re: The Scrum
devizes bath fan (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 13:21
Every time they introduce a change to the scrum, it doesn't seem to have the desired affect and ends up causing unforseen problems. The simpler the better as Bod says.

Re: The Scrum
Huxster (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 13:23
THe front rows binding first is how it was always done get the porps to widen their stance the also like in the old days with the inside leg of each porp as close to each other as possible.
remove the hit would being back technique and increase the requirement for locks who can shove and bind the front row together (the clue is in their name) not hybrid lanky flankers.
This wouldn't help the SH as much as you think it is NZ who brought about the hit and the 3/4 crouch(illegal see picture below) the hit can hide a multitude of sins/poor technique.
If the IRB wishes to bring in anyone to sort the scrum out a man named Nigel Horton he is the one who designed the scrum session which got Telfer a lot of credit from Living with the Lions 1997; he negated the greater size and strength of the SA's.

Re: The Scrum
noidea (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 13:51
If they do make changes to remove the hit would that then favour our more agile props over out and out scrummagers?

Fat boys please feel free to add constructively to this debate.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 22/03/2012 13:53 by noidea.

Re: The Scrum
Which Tyler (IP Logged)
22 March, 2012 15:20
IMO (as a scrum half) it would require front rowers with different skill sets, which are, if anything MORE skillfull, and less reliant on pure power.
It would be a bit like the difference between proper wrestling, and boxing. Currently, the hit can cover for a lot of technical weakness elsewhere (not that a good hit isn't skillfull in it's own right).

As mentioned above, the clues to each tight 5's job is in the name. The hooker is there to hook the ball backwards, the props are there to prop him up, and the locks to lock it all together as a cohesive unit. Currently the hookers don't hook, the props don't need to prop, and the locks are more interested in shoving hard, than keeping it tight (not that shoving hard isn't important).

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