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SIM, what a tool
spud1610 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 20:52
Having jsut returned from a trip and a chat with a rather well informed source who bumped into one of the players in Bath who claimed that "SIM had lost the team at xmas" and that he had asked them to "play a conservative game" following three seasons of attacking rugby. Moreover said player also had been dragged before SIM for something beyond his control. Seems that SIM was more interested in a personal fiefdom than anything else.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 20:55
.............. your point is?
Repeating kitchen gossip is so last year.



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Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:05
SIM has moved on and its about time we moved on

I notice that you too are also only a recent recruit to this site. It would be great to believe that future contributions are going to be more challenging, insightful and fresh than regurgitating a subject that has caused enough strife for everyone. In the recent Wasps match report that I read on the Bath site, a young kid finished off his report by thanking all the departing coaches and players...lets follow suit and move on.

We all have well informed sources...but I never listen to a story that possibly has three sides to the story then repeat here on anywhere and then to conclude with an opinion about clap trap personal fifedoms.

BTW genuinely hope you had a good trip and also hope that the Bath player keeps his mouth shut as apart from a select few, not many have a lot to mouth about!

What SIM has achieved in the world of Rugby is more than most of us can ever claim to have achieved in our respective chosen field. He DID NOT work out for us, thats stating the obvious but its time to move on and there is a posting Re New Coach which is far more important to respond to

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
spud1610 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:07
kitchen gossip is so last year, however I was more shocked as to the player and to the extent to which he was the riot act.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Bri (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:10
As I've said before their will be some to see the back of the two coaches and some that will think they got rid of the wrong one.we won't please all the squad.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
A.M 180 (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:12
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spud1610
kitchen gossip is so last year, however I was more shocked as to the player and to the extent to which he was the riot act.
Player in 'getting yelled at by coach' shocker.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:20
OK.
If its not kitchen gossip, then name the player.



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Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:21
Maybe a few more should have been shouted at!!!!

Common knowledge that BC read the riot out after a recent shocker at home...should we start that one all over again...not!

Wish I could have read the riot act after the game at Sixways !

No we can't all be pleased and two coaches have left and one in particular I am sad to see go as he is genuinely a great guy. So lets just wish ALL the departing coaches and of course players the very very best for their futures...now lets move on to the future folks

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FourSticks (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 21:35
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FairShout
I notice that you too are also only a recent recruit to this site. It would be great to believe that future contributions are going to be more challenging, insightful and fresh than regurgitating a subject that has caused enough strife for everyone.

Have you elected yourself as the social conscience of ere? Remind me, how long have you been contributing?

What a load of pompous claptrap!

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 22:10
Its interesting to see how upset some people get when postings are balanced, fair, not abusive, not personal, blunt when needed yet straight forward and passionate.

Interesting that being correct is now being referred to as social conscience....oh is there anything wrong with that?

Lets see how many people turn up next Tuesday and fully reflect what they sa on ere and how they say it and give as they say it to the representatives from the club. Now that will be fun to see! What I say here is what I will say next Tuesday...lets see if everyone else follows suit

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Rampant (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 22:17
There's nothing to see here...time to move on

I really hope there is a good turn out at the Fans Forum

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
BathBeaver (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 22:26
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FourSticks
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FairShout
I notice that you too are also only a recent recruit to this site. It would be great to believe that future contributions are going to be more challenging, insightful and fresh than regurgitating a subject that has caused enough strife for everyone.

Have you elected yourself as the social conscience of ere? Remind me, how long have you been contributing?

What a load of pompous claptrap!

Totally agree FourSticks

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 22:34
ouch...someone has a view not agreed with...and the next the personal insults start flying hmm interesting...

Lets enjoy the Fans Forum next week. Lets see if you turn up and lets see what happens as in the previous Fans Forums...or are you going to rush back to the key board and start calling everyone pompous, who turns up ...or worse still.

If one has got something to say ...well let those say it in person

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
ken_jnr (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 23:20
Weren't you banging on about how we shouldn't say what was on our mind to the players last week? About how twitterers should not say anything upsetting to our beloved heroes?

Don't have any problem with your passionate and views and welcome the positivity in an otherwise glum period for Bath rugby and Ere. It does feel a bit like you're on a moral crusade at times though.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
27 April, 2012 23:43
Yes last week I stepped into the debate on SV as it was becoming personal and abusive.

I have no comment Re Twitter as I have never used it

I take the recognition as of being on a moral campaign as a compliment. Why...what on earth is someone trying to achieve by stirring up trouble on a decent family man, who is LEAVING the club.

Why be abusive to a guy who made a mistake...yes it was daft but it was therefore a daft mistake. To read some of the abuse given to SV one would have thought he had committed a grotesque crime. In fact why we abusive at all. Can't we get our point across without being nasty.

We have debated SIM on ERE, on the coaches, in the stands and in the clubhouse. Why start all over again and then to include the discord between sim and players etc....Come on enough is enough...If that is what you call being on a moral campaign...thats your shout...Im for giving a FairShout!

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
WilliamBlessing (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 02:48
The mere use of the offensive word in the title of this thread reflects badly on the original poster.

Time to look at ourselves in the mirror?

[williamblessing.blogspot.co.uk]

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Bri (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 05:47
Agree William,That's the first thing you think when you see the title.Their is absolutely no need of this type of rudeness.
It hasn't worked out for him with us but that doesn't take away what he has achieved in the sport and he gets my respect for that.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Old Bathonian (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 07:09
Quote:
FairShout
ouch...someone has a view not agreed with...and the next the personal insults start flying hmm interesting...
Lets enjoy the Fans Forum next week. Lets see if you turn up and lets see what happens as in the previous Fans Forums...or are you going to rush back to the key board and start calling everyone pompous, who turns up ...or worse still.

If one has got something to say ...well let those say it in person


"If one has got something to say"

Priceless! How to try to appear "educated" and "mature" but fail spectacularly in only 7 words....

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Kidney Stone (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 07:46
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BathBeaver
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FourSticks
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FairShout
I notice that you too are also only a recent recruit to this site. It would be great to believe that future contributions are going to be more challenging, insightful and fresh than regurgitating a subject that has caused enough strife for everyone.

Have you elected yourself as the social conscience of ere? Remind me, how long have you been contributing?

What a load of pompous claptrap!

Totally agree FourSticks

Hear hear. I assumed someone had elected him head prefect! Come back Marshie, all is forgiven!

BTW, where is Marshie - he is conspicuous by his absence?

BTW 2 - Yep SIM is a total tool, and he does not leave our club with my thanks, he should never darken our doorstep again.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/04/2012 07:50 by Kidney Stone.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
WilliamBlessing (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 08:08
It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Grandad was not the problem.

Heaven help his successor.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 08:41
Yes the title sums it up as does the attitude of some.

If a prospective coach and his family did research on our club, players, facilities and then fan base and got round to seeing some of the abusive comments handed out to Bath coaches and players on ere etc....he might just think why bother. Would they want their wife, children and friends to read a constant trail of abuse from a a minority grouping...oh yes they dont have to read it but im sure that they or their friends often peek at what the fans are writing. In fact would we not want them to read what we have to say?

Because I WILL NOT JOIN in the style of posting of a minority...then I too am being labelled, criticised and thrown the odd piece of abuse...WOW and this from fellow BATH SUPPORTERS on a fans forum!

I have forthright views. I am well known for putting my money where my mouth is so to speak and challenging institutions etc. I will challenge what I think is wrong, nothing moral in that just sick of some of the abusive posts and comments of a MINORITY.

How many of those posting abuse will turn up at The Fans Forum and openly repeat what they write on here, in PUBLIC, so we see who you are and then you can have your say with us all listening and watching you have your say? I will be at the Fans Forum and I will have my say. If you have criticism of me, please come up to me, share a drink, talk to me one to one and lets get back to talking about the club

My family go to every away game. The fans we meet are generous, passionate, often hacked off with our season but we are all loyal to the club. We say what we think to each other, argue as to the best players, who played well, who had a shocker. We complain bitterly about the lack of support from the club in communicating and supporting us the fans and how we should be listened to as most of our complaints
are basic that would make a difference.

Easy attacking the club that we support from a keyboard. Why not really support the club and come along to the club bar, enjoy the atmosphere of a game of local rugby and show your support by being at THE CLUB ....certainly people there to listen to any views you might want to share

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
fat lock (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 09:30
Fairshout

I was going to post a reply but your post is so full of contradictions and self serving pomposity that I kind of lost my way.

Anyway I think the following quote leaves you hoisted by your own petard:

I have forthright views. I am well known for putting my money where my mouth is so to speak and challenging institutions etc. I will challenge what I think is wrong, nothing moral in that just sick of some of the abusive posts and comments of a MINORITY.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
P G Tips (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 09:36
This season has been a major disappointment to me, partly because I expected more of SIM. That he has not wrought magic, or that he "lost" the dressing room is a further disappointment and a bit of a surprise, but I fail to see how it is worth personal abuse.

I am sure we are all passionate about our club or we would not bother to post, but we are onlookers (however involved and committed). The practitioners are the coaches and players - who do their job in a very public and unforgiving environment. They feel it deeply when they get it wrong - as Belly's recent revelations show.

Personal abuse in title threads does reputation of Bath supporters no favours.

PG

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Widcombe Boy (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 09:37
Can't make Tuesday unfortunately. I like the stance you are taking Fairshout. Look forward to a report of the Fans Forum.
Think we might have a few more posters if some people toned down their comments about other posters.

Don't see the need to be rude to others

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Rampant (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 09:51
Let's not forget folks. We are all supporters of the same Club

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
WilliamBlessing (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 10:20
[www.fourwinds10.net]

Speak unto others as you would have them speak unto you..

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
28 April, 2012 10:50
I cant make tuesday either as Im working in London im dissapointed but due to my boss being a complete idiot I cannot make the evening
Although I live in High Wycombe now I still follow Bath Rugby and will always follow Bath Rugby it has been a dissapointing season but injuries havent been kind to us all season and some results could have gone our way e.g
defeat against sarries at home and away, defeat against sale at home, defeat against worcester away the list is endless
if some things had gone our way we'd have been like in the playoff zone im just as frustrated in High Wycombe as most of u guys are down the west country but I believe Bath will make the correct decisions and turn it around next season (even if they are taking a decade to announce what's what) The game last week against Wasps was brilliant even if we were tripe in the 1st half so I believe next season we will be better and things will go our way

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Armchair Fan (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 11:06
You should respect your boss and not call him names. After all, he is smart enough to have you as an employee. Be grateful.



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Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 11:20
Bring your boss to a game at the Rec...and let us convert him!

That way he will have to let you go to every future game and Forum!

Agree completely with your sentiments on this season and like you hope that the new season will be better and go our way.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
28 April, 2012 11:25
The games this season, and most of last, we never seemed to have a 'Plan B' never mind a 'Plan C'.

If the scrum isn't performing well what do we need to do to minimise the impact? or
When we get the ball - what needs to change to avoid crabbing across the pitch until we eventually knock-on?

I feel this should be 80% coaching pre-match and 20% tweaking on the field as the game pans out - but we don't seem to be anywhere near being able to do this.

Resolving the above is my biggest hope for next season.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Bod (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 11:33
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The games this season, and most of last, we never seemed to have a 'Plan B' never mind a 'Plan C'.
If the scrum isn't performing well what do we need to do to minimise the impact? or
When we get the ball - what needs to change to avoid crabbing across the pitch until we eventually knock-on?

I feel this should be 80% coaching pre-match and 20% tweaking on the field as the game pans out - but we don't seem to be anywhere near being able to do this.

Resolving the above is my biggest hope for next season.

Smarter players or smarter coaches? Which is easier to resolve?



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Re: SIM, what a tool
annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 11:49
Just out of interest, Fair shout - how many of these carefully prepared 'meetings with the coaches' have you attended?

It woulnd't surprise me if 'they' have a powerpoint presentation and a few clips of wonderful tries.



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Re: SIM, what a tool
comedowner (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 12:44
Chelsea, bath, ???????

???

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Duke of Earl (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 13:23
Fair shout-I identify you as the reincarnation of Mary Whitehouse and claim my prize. Whilst you are stepping in and clearing up Ere, could you also sort out "global warming", the Middle East situation and the world financial crisis?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/04/2012 14:31 by Duke of Earl.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
retired (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 14:01
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P G Tips
This season has been a major disappointment to me, partly because I expected more of SIM. That he has not wrought magic, or that he "lost" the dressing room is a further disappointment and a bit of a surprise, but I fail to see how it is worth personal abuse.
I am sure we are all passionate about our club or we would not bother to post, but we are onlookers (however involved and committed). The practitioners are the coaches and players - who do their job in a very public and unforgiving environment. They feel it deeply when they get it wrong - as Belly's recent revelations show.

Personal abuse in title threads does reputation of Bath supporters no favours.

PG

Spot on PG, the best post on ere for a long time. (Sm152)

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
spud1610 (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 14:05
I am personally very excited for the forum on Tuesday. I feel that alot of the fans have questions that deserve to be answered and maybe being put on the spot will provide more genuine and heart felt answers. However our tickets are only numbers 51 and 52, which is a blessing in disguise - more Thatchers Gold for me (Sm128)

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 15:16
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Cum on u Barf
Can't make Tuesday unfortunately. I like the stance you are taking Fairshout. Look forward to a report of the Fans Forum.
Think we might have a few more posters if some people toned down their comments about other posters.

Don't see the need to be rude to others

I agree too with Fairshout, the way this Forum and some Twitter attacks are going, the chances are the players and coaches won't want to speak to us at all in the future as they will feel a divide between themselves and the fans.

I'm sure those who vent their anger through the keyboard and show a lack of respect are in the minority but I bet it feels different if you're on the receiving end.

I don't want to see players arriving at and leaving games with head down, hoody up, headphones on and giving a 'don't talk to me' attitude, football bad-boy style.

It's a shame that since appearing on this forum, Fairshout seems to have been ridiculed by some for taking this view.

Personally I'm not happy at all with the coaching of the team and feel very disappointed, but personal abuse won't be part of my messages. You reap what you sow.

If you want to see fewer players in the bar, at United games on the terrace and avoiding fans conversations, carry on posting abuse.

If you want a return to a family feel about the place, don't grab your smart phone 2 minutes after a narrow defeat and perhaps post an angry, beer fuelled message you might regret.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
TCM2007 (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 15:28
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B4thB4ck

If you want to see fewer players in the bar, at United games on the terrace and avoiding fans conversations, carry on posting abuse.

If you want a return to a family feel about the place, don't grab your smart phone 2 minutes after a narrow defeat and perhaps post an angry, beer fuelled message you might regret.

Hear hear



Stuart

Former ed.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
28 April, 2012 15:47
Believe me my boss is an idiot regardless of whether he is smart enough to have employed me or not and hes a liverpool fan through and through rugby isnt his religion he tried converting me to go to mosque!!

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Duke of Earl (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 15:51
Quote:
If you want a return to a family feel about the place, don't grab your smart phone 2 minutes after a narrow defeat and perhaps post an angry, beer fuelled message you might regret.

I hardly drink, I don't post from a smart phone, but what I do do is take the wee wee out of some of the po faced and sanctimonious postings. If we are now so righteous that that isn't allowed along with any hint of criticism or dissatisfaction, however expressed, then it's a poor place we are in. If you feel the need to take the mickey out of me, fire away, I don't think that shows lack of respect, nor will I get upset about it although I may well respond.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 15:54
It appears that a few of the keyboard warriors here don't enjoy being asked to look at their behaivour and attitudes....

Keep posting Fair Shout....

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
@Hydor18 (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:02
This obsessive attempt by some to assassinate McGeechan's character is plain weird. Other than what is written on this board, I have never heard anything but praise and respect for the man, and that comes from players who have worked under him as opposed to very bitter and angry contributors to ERE.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Widcombe Boy (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:02
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Toast and Marmite
It appears that a few of the keyboard warriors here don't enjoy being asked to look at their behaivour and attitudes....
Keep posting Fair Shout....

thumbs down

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Bri (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:26
Well I don't mind admitting it,I was not at the front of the queue with intelligence but I would never dream to insult the players like some do and I would back myself saying it to their face.
Some posters will one day regret slagging the team off like they do.Can you imagine how upsetting it must of been for Geech's daughter and Beechy to read what was said about their father and inlaw.
I have spoken to Charlie and his lovely wife while they have been shopping and they are both very humble people.
Next season we as supporters need to get behind the club and team.
Reading some of the posts as made me a little ashamed.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:47
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Duke of Earl
Quote:
If you want a return to a family feel about the place, don't grab your smart phone 2 minutes after a narrow defeat and perhaps post an angry, beer fuelled message you might regret.

I hardly drink, I don't post from a smart phone, but what I do do is take the wee wee out of some of the po faced and sanctimonious postings. If we are now so righteous that that isn't allowed along with any hint of criticism or dissatisfaction, however expressed, then it's a poor place we are in. If you feel the need to take the mickey out of me, fire away, I don't think that shows lack of respect, nor will I get upset about it although I may well respond.

I did say 'If'...... I am not trying to stifle debate, just point out that the style and nature of the criticism could cause a reaction in how the players interact with us which would be counter productive. I thinks it's fair to say postings the day after defeat are less personal and more objective.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
FairShout (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 16:48
Bri...what a heartfelt, personal and sincere post

Like you I have seen Charlie's wife at home matches, away and with their very young toddler and baby at Captain's Training days.

I also have found them humble, real and happy to be at a rugby club like Bath. Mrs Beech is a rugby woman. Yes her father is SIM which means she has been raised on rugby since she was born. That also means she has seen no doubt the good the bad and the ugly within rugby...I hope that Bath for her will become "The Good"

I believe that with ball in hand, CB is dynamic and I for one would not fancy standing in his way! At Sixways he was a man on a mission, scored his first try for the club and was he happy...no because we lost in a shocking manner on a miserable Friday night...thats right he is a team player.

Regardless of the lack of success and impact that SIM has had at the club, I wish him well and hope that CB and Mrs CB will see this as an opportunity to not be associated with the DOR and shine as people and for CB on the pitch...

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Duke of Earl (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 17:01
Yes I am not sure about the comments regarding Charlie Beech myself. His father in law may not have been what we needed, but I see no reason why Charlie shouldn't become so.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Duke of Earl (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 17:05
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a few of the keyboard warriors here

We could hardly be anything else but keyboard warriors as we are posting on an on line forum. If anybody wants I'll say the same things in person next season when I am back at the Rec'. I don't change my views because I am miles away.

 
Re: SIM, what a tool
Bod (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 17:27
Quote:
FairShout
Bri...what a heartfelt, personal and sincere post
Like you I have seen Charlie's wife at home matches, away and with their very young toddler and baby at Captain's Training days.

I also have found them humble, real and happy to be at a rugby club like Bath. Mrs Beech is a rugby woman. Yes her father is SIM which means she has been raised on rugby since she was born. That also means she has seen no doubt the good the bad and the ugly within rugby...I hope that Bath for her will become "The Good"

I believe that with ball in hand, CB is dynamic and I for one would not fancy standing in his way! At Sixways he was a man on a mission, scored his first try for the club and was he happy...no because we lost in a shocking manner on a miserable Friday night...thats right he is a team player.

Regardless of the lack of success and impact that SIM has had at the club, I wish him well and hope that CB and Mrs CB will see this as an opportunity to not be associated with the DOR and shine as people and for CB on the pitch...


Is this meeting of the Bath & Wells Diocesan Synod on all weekend?

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Re: SIM, what a tool
CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
28 April, 2012 17:27
Well said b4thb4ck. Criticism is fair enough but using silly terms of abuse is just childish. Some posters need to grow up.



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