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Nadolo
Discussion started by BathMatt53 (IP Logged), 20 January, 2017 21:00
BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 January, 2017 21:00
Ok saints not the best tackling in the world but I haven't seen a player just shrugging off tackles like that since the great Mr Lomu. Awesome.

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BathSalmon
20 January, 2017 21:12
Looking at ESPN stats after 60.mins Saints have missed 31 tackles!! 31!

40ish %. 28/59 tackles!

How are they not further behind?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 January, 2017 21:19
Well 5 of them were on that single run.

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
20 January, 2017 21:43
Worth remembering Roko scored two tries and was dropped (for ever?) for missing Nadolo.

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hasta
20 January, 2017 22:13
Roko is 'officially' not picked because he doesn't do enough without the ball and he doesn't have the topline speed of a May or Watson.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20 January, 2017 22:24
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hasta
Roko is 'officially' not picked because he doesn't do enough without the ball and he doesn't have the topline speed of a May or Watson.

The funny thing is that if he sauntered around for 87 minutes, got the ball 3 times every match and scored a hat-trick would he be good enough? How about 5? Is huffing and puffing with not much reward (see yarde) as valuable on a rugby pitch? Eddie obviously thinks so.

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hasta
20 January, 2017 22:36
Yup and I disagree, but hey, Eddie's earned some space. If Eddie's motivation can get Roko edging toward's Nowell's level of engagement in a game then we'd see something pretty spectacular.

On topic, Nadolo tonight was something else. Forget Lomu, this was schoolboy rugby.

gaz59
gaz59
21 January, 2017 08:49
Some of those alleged 'contacts' hardly mustered the definition of a tackle - Mallinder's was more of a pat on the shoulder

Certainly something for the defence coach to work on come Monday morning

They may have waved Nadolo through but the last ditch defending was quite impressive and going in 3 points up at half-time was a minor miracle

Shame that a micro engagement with touchline ruled out a stunning try for North and there were many elements to suggest Saints are getting back to where they should be

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
21 January, 2017 08:57
A poor man's Matt Banahan if you ask me....

Boldngrey
Boldngrey
21 January, 2017 09:10
Problem is, one man doesn't bring him down and when you use three, he slips the ball to an un-marked outsider.

Tainer
Tainer
21 January, 2017 11:04
For anyone who hasn't seen what Nadolo did last night these are his highlights from last night's game. Simply awesome. I had to rub my eyes at the offload at the beginning(Sm105)

[www.youtube.com]

gaz59
gaz59
21 January, 2017 11:28
Did I hear right from the commentary that the Montpelier scrum half was off to Exeter next season? He looked very handy indeed

Ali1969
Ali1969
24 January, 2017 10:19
One thing I do not understand with regards to Roko and in particular May and Yarde.
Roko has the unique habit of finishing tries which he has no right to do so, like Nadalo.
May is said to have outright speed! Well Wade is the quickest of the lot and does not even get a mention. Yarde has a charmed life, he has certainly not set the game alight and as a
a mate I have in NZ said to me Roko would be one of the first names in the AB's because he is a proven scorer and when like the AB's your game is built on accuracy and not possession that is gold dust.z

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shipwrecked
24 January, 2017 10:38
I think if England were more certain of winning games EJ would overlook Rokko's other issues, at the moment, particularly with injuries games are really close and can turn on one score and Eddie is not prepared to take that risk.

First Law of winning internationals, don't concede tries. Problem is I'm not sure Yarde and May are that much better at defending.

HamishMilner
Big Dog
24 January, 2017 10:43
Yeah well look at Savea and Waisake Naholo in the AB's squad.. Does they run around non-stop for 80 minutes acting playmaker or making multiple carries in all sorts of positions in the pitch? Hell no!!

They both get the ball in attack and finishes tries using pace and power exactly like Roko!

Personally I think Roko is a great guy to have in the team for England as he brings something nobody else does which is a guaranteed finisher. You get him the ball in the 22 with a little space and he will score. Hell he can do it from 30/40/50/60/70m too!

Nowell is a superb workhorse and offers tons around the pitch.
Watson is excellent in the air, has great footwork and defends pretty well (still a better fullback IMO and will take over from Brown)
Yarde works hard but does not score regularly nor does he catch the eye in the same way Nowell does around the park.
May is just ridiculously fast!

Roko is the most proven finisher of them all in my honest opinion (without Wade being in the mix) and his form warrants selection above Yarde and potentially May too.

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plong
24 January, 2017 11:44
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Big Dog
...May is just ridiculously fast!

Speed can cover a multitude of sins... (like scrummaging, for one! (Sm100))



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gaz59
gaz59
24 January, 2017 14:22
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plong
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Big Dog
...May is just ridiculously fast!

Speed can cover a multitude of sins... (like scrummaging, for one! (Sm100))

Also depends how you measure speed

If you use the formula: time in seconds from point of ball collection (A) to point of scoring try (cool smiley divided by the shortest distance from A to B

Then my Gran is quicker than May

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shipwrecked
24 January, 2017 14:38
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plong
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Big Dog
...May is just ridiculously fast!

Speed can cover a multitude of sins... (like scrummaging, for one! (Sm100))

Doesn't matter how fast he is if he doesn't score, rarely backs his speed and needs to be reminded that he is supposed to go forwards!

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hasta
24 January, 2017 14:46
May is ridiculously fast if you only care about running parallel or perpendicular to the touchline. Sadly he appears to be mentally incapable of figuring out diagonals.

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plong
24 January, 2017 15:14
I wasn't advocating May - on the contrary, I think Roko should be in, hands down, but EJ doesn't seem to like him, for some reason. Can't use the defensive frailty card because... well... YARDE!!!



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woodpecker
24 January, 2017 15:30
This is total conjecture (what isn't) but I reckon a hell of a lot of Eddie's selection policy is based on personality, I think he likes abrasive, competitive, aggressive blokes, he wants a lot of alpha males. I have no idea what Roko is like, but I'm guessing he's not like that.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
24 January, 2017 15:45
I don't think that George Ford, Robshaw, JJ, Launchbury or May could really be described as abrasive or aggressive blokes (if you mean in the Brown / Hartley mould).In fact I can only think of those two who would get into a fight in an empty room.

Roko is just the perceived workrate, I'm sure of it. Eddie would rather have someone flapping around looking busy than waiting for the ball. Roko comes in more but he still isn't Nowell. We get the stats on meters made and defenders beaten but I would love the see the stats on meters run (i.e. off the ball).



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OutsideBath
24 January, 2017 16:53
It stuns me that Roko keeps getting overlooked by England, however as long as they do it's good news for Bath as he plays more games for us.

SaintED
SaintED
24 January, 2017 16:54
Roko is absolute class and the concern about his defence whilst somewhat justified is a red herring whilst Jones continues to pick Watson. Jones has said he wants pace on one wing and workrate on the other. If Roko really wants it I suspect he'll have to come infield more and make himself seen. That said Nowell has been ridiculously good since he came back so I think the only fighting is for the left wing spot in terms of starts.

Roko over Yarde in the squad though for sure. Maybe he doesn't buy into Jones in the same way the other acolytes do? Certainly seems like BS to me that he's not in the EPS.

gaz59
gaz59
24 January, 2017 18:27
May, from some TV I've seen of him, does frequently get his head in the wrong place in tackles and seems a HIA waiting to happen


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