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SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:49
11-3

Inability to exit and trying to force things costing us

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:51
The camera work is atrocious

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:52
Bath pushover held up - Bath 5 metre scrum

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:53
Lots of french players having a lie down

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:54
Stade forced to replace their LH (I think) due to a rib injury

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:57
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The camera work is atrocious
About par with the commentary.
When does the fudged contract allowing Sky the coverage die?

We knew they were prettty poor before, but BT have really shown just how bad



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:58
Agreed cameras are atrocious. We're getting hammered in the scrums

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:58
Lost against the head after several resets, great scramble defence by JJ saved a potential try from deep. Bath's scrum around the 22

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 11:59
Stade got a free kick from that scrum...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:00
Our scrum is really unstable
They like to 'push the boundaries' at the break down...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:04

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:05
Brilliant break by Taps knocked on over their try line, good defensive effort by stade

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:05
We look like a completely different team with quick ball

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:06
Ball knocked out of tap's hands over line after nice interplay from ford and KPN... Ref gives stade the put in(?)

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:10
Penalty in front of the posts, soon to be 11-6

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:11
Ford pen after stade not releasing after positive waves of Bath offence
We look better than them in the loose
11-6

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:12
looks like Stade have scored from the line out - straight through the middle

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:12
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Ball knocked out of tap's hands over line after nice interplay from ford and KPN... Ref gives stade the put in(?)
Incorrectly I think, we carried the ball over their line, they touched it to ground = 22 drop out.
However, that's often coutned as a knock-on by the carrier, which makes it a scrum to Stade.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:12
I'm not sure what's worse, John Lacey or the camerawork.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:14
And that is what happens when the ref asks the wrong question.
Fair's fair, Banas did really well to confuse the issue; but I can't really believe that ball was held up; just no evidence of grounding.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:14
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looks like Stade have scored from the line out - straight through the middle
Or has banners pulled off a miracle tackle...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:15
Thank god for Banners, managed to hold the ball up. 5m scrum to Stade

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:17
I really hope Stade have the recently-traditional French conditioning.
Both teams are going be knackered at the end of this; if we can hold our fitness for an extra 5 minutes, that could easily mean 10 points.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:19
end to end stuff, Ford attacked from deep, great support and managed to trap stade in their 22 until a pass to an unmarked winger managed to take Stade back into our half.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:19
HT


11 v 6

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:20
Frenetic passage with both sides chucking it around and trying to score miracle tries off first phase... Ball dropped given away both ways and then Joseph high tackled after collecting cross field.grubber from genia. We take territory from pen and fordy misses drop.goal.
Is it me or are they pretty similar to us?
HT
11-6

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:34
They are similar, except that they are actually far better at scrum time!

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:36
We share a similar penchant for the flamboyant over the sensible

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:40
Great break by roko
Offloads to kahn who recycles
A few bounce passes later we concede penalty at ruck
...
They chuck it around a bit the genia grubbers in to our 22
This is mental!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:41
Can't blame Sky for the pictures, as I guess they're provided by the locals, but dross in commentary like, "This game's as structured as the little piggy's house.", is embarrassing.

Is it just me, or does someone have their mobile phone near the mic as well?

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:44
Try after a good passage of play from Stade. 18 - 8

 
BathMatt53
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:44
Oh dear, this is going south

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:46
I'm watching in French
Stade try
Repeated punches at our midfield channels leave us flapping and retreating. Players ball watching very similar to Worcester game. Plisson goes straight under the posts. 18-6.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:48
Dare I say we miss lahiff's offensive tackling

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:51
Bath need to be more aggressive especially in the mauls and definitely with tackling.
It looks like Worcester all over again and NO LEADERSHIP from either captain on the field.

Get a grip Bath and toughen up all round.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:53
Wing to wing attacks take us to their 22
Characteristically we over stretch and banners chucks it at flo's feet
FK from resulting scrum
...
Another period of basketball from both teams and staff end up scrummaging on our 10m

Possession is cheap

 
BB&W 1865
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:54
Powderpuff stuff, no responsibility, no leadership.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 12:54
Commentary is dire. I'll be turning the sound down if it continues like this.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:01
Numerous high energy phases from us gaining about 30m L to R to L - then Watson shoved over at ruck, knocking ball from khan's hands
They screw up the exit and flo charges down plisson
Scrambled clearance to their 22
...we have a good attacking platform here...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:03
Go Roko you legend

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:04
Another commentary gem: "That kick was so low it caught ROB LOWE in the mid-riff." When referring to Francois Louw who charged a kick down with his face...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:05
Brilliant by Roko, we just need to get 1 on 1 with our backs and stop using the forwards so much.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:06
We keep the ball for about 15 phases, eventually creating a 1on1 for roko out wide - he duly obliges
Ford converts
18-13

We are playing the rugby

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:06
Going by the Sky commentary the match was all but done and dusted for SF.




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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:06
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I really hope Stade have the recently-traditional French conditioning.
Both teams are going be knackered at the end of this; if we can hold our fitness for an extra 5 minutes, that could easily mean 10 points.
5-10 minutes extra of fitness would be really nice around now.


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dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:08
We have gone up a gear
Our line out on their 22...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:08
We have to sign Fruean

 
BathMatt53
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:08
Well Fruean may not play very much but he knows where the try line is when he does...

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:11
TRY BATH!
A rolling maul (of all things!) sucks in their back row... Front foot ball for our backs puts fruean in the corner
Ford misses tricky conversion out wide
18 all!



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:11

 
BathMatt53
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:12
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I really hope Stade have the recently-traditional French conditioning.
Both teams are going be knackered at the end of this; if we can hold our fitness for an extra 5 minutes, that could easily mean 10 points.

You called it...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:12
Totally run them off their feet!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:13
Fruean is paying back a big chunk of salary here and now!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:13
Stooke try! Great play against a tiring Stade.

Bruce get the cheque book out, Fruean is class.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:14
Another one!!!
Stade look knackered and have stopped tackling
They can't cope with Fruean who sucks in many tacklers put wide...
Simple carry ball for Stooke who waltzes through the 12 channel
Ford converts
18-25

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:14
Robbie Fruean please don't go to Edinburgh!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:16
Garvey making an impact, turns over maul

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:18
Stade try


23 v 25

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:19
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I really hope Stade have the recently-traditional French conditioning.
Both teams are going be knackered at the end of this; if we can hold our fitness for an extra 5 minutes, that could easily mean 10 points.

You called it...
We've joined them in knackeredness now; but in our 12 minutes with oxygen in our lungs, we got the 3 tries to turn it around.
Looks like it's going to extra-time now, for which I'd just about favour us... unless they get a second wind... erm...



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:20
Watson tackles like a butterfly with a broken wing. No way is he an international full back

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:21
25 - 25

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:21
Try stade...
We focus on kicking in to their 22
They counter but look trapped
Out of nothing they go blind and Watson misses tackle on Kamera (sp?), who releases their 4 to go 60M
Converted by plisson
23 all

 
Mike the Taxi
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:21
Converted

25 v 25


followed by 40 metre drop goal


28 v 25

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:21

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:22
Thats game.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:22
Ffs
Game management non existent

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:24
Don't like that decision - Garvey abnd Freuan are fresh!



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:25
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Watson tackles like a butterfly with a broken wing. No way is he an international full back

The all blacks will certainly be interested.

Well we should be used to us throwing things away at the end but it still hurts. Just want this season to end now.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:25
I will say it again- where/who leads the side on the field of play?

Neither of our so called Co-Captains!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:25
Can't watch

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:26
Missed, what a massive dissapointment

 
Mike the Taxi
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:26
Ford misses final penalty


28 v 25


FT

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:26
We open up the right and Watson carries through to seemingly free roko down wing
...but he is hauled down...
Play switches to left...
They kill ball at ruck...
We have pen to square it...
Ford misses


Benny Hill music ensues
Nice one fordy

28-25
Game over



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Huew
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:27
What an earth was Watson doing? Good job the Lions were picked last week not this...
Terrible call to go for the kick at the end, not one bit of me thought Ford would kick that over.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:27
Great game to watch, just wish I was a neutral

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:27
Absolutely threw that away. Watson butchered a chance too.

 
supermarinematt
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:28
Well, we chucked that away

 
BB&W 1865
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:28
Had absolutely zero confidence in Ford nailing that penalty.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:29
Wrong decision to kick.
Get the kick and you earn a lottery of xtra time.
Put it in the hands of Stooke, Garvey and Freuan to batter their way through and we either get an easier penalty attempt, or French conditioning gets us a try and a win.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:29
Very nearly pressed the button to book flights before that last Stade try.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:30
It would have been great to watch us play Gloucester in Edinburgh

 
Beergoggles
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:31
Stade were absolutely out on their feet and we still managed to lose that game what a complete bunch of idiots in the BBW. Not a brain cell between them.

Anthony Watson missed tackle and completely butchered winning overlap. Don't bother with the lions on that basis.

Penalty in overtime 6m from the side line, 6m from touch. You can make ground at will. Tap and go for me is the obvious decision but no. Idiots all of them. I'm so angry with them.

 
dannyf2
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:34
We can't close a game out for sh#te
We won't miss George

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:35
Disappointed to lose, especially such a close encounter, but a thrilling and entertaining rollercoaster of a game to watch (despite the dire camera work and commentary).

I have no doubt some 'ere will keep banging on about us not wanting it enough or players not really caring or playing for the shirt (whatever that's meant to mean) but I didn't see anyone in blue, black, and white leave anything out there.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:35
Need to consider this some more but I'm not sure Blackadder is the right man to lead this this mob. There doesn't seem to be any structure or game plan and we rely on individual brilliance to win games.

 
BathBurger
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:37
I'm not sure we can complain about not closing this game out given that we had to come back from 18-6 down. Ford made some very poor decisions in the last 5 minutes and Watson had a diabolical game given what we've come to expect from him.

 
bathwickboy
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:37
On tv interview Louw said he was told by ref that not enough time for lineout at the end, hence kick at goal. I know its a team game but I hope that Watson hangs his head in shame at that attempted tackle which lead to the try,pathetic! I am so disappointed AGAIN!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:37
Oh dear, so sad, never mind. You would have lost to Glaws in the final anyway so now you won't have a wasted journey. Ford is a bottler!

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:41
We have so under performed in these recent games this season its untrue, even with our so called all stars back!!

They need a rocket up the back side, Ford should be put on gardening leave right now, and we had better not hear any statement from the club or the players how they will learn from this experience. It is blatantly obvious the players have NOT learnt and executed anything like what you normally expect from a professional sports team, who have every advantage and support known to man. It comes down to players wanting it more and putting in the effort required, actions speak louder than words.

Did you see how Gloucester dogged it out against a hugely physical, in form La Rochelle side and when you compare it to our efforts, there is no comparison? You have to ask why and who is responsible?

No guts, no toughness, no graft- no cigar and rightly so!!!

We will lose both our remaining league games unless the players have a true change of heart, which I cannot see happening in a thousand years at present.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:45
Wasp in peace. Gutted for Bath, thought you had that in the bag. Great comeback. I don't know why you didn't tap and go, they were completely out on their feet.

 
Bath Hammer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:45
We play some good rugby in patches but we do seem to lack structure & not being able to close out games is a real problem. We are shaping up as one of the teams that lots of neutrals fancy but we don't have the look of winners. Gloucester did amazingly well against a stronger French team & will be really up for their visit to the Rec.

 
Mike the Taxi
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:47
They didn't want it so much, and under-performed so much that they only managed to come from 18 - 6 down to 18 - 25 up. Shameful performance(Sm161)

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:50
Furious with Fod. That kicking display off the tee is completely unacceptable for international fly half- shame on him

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:51
Not a brain cell amongst them, Nopace, which with the so called talent we have available is downright disgraceful. Ford never looked remotely confident over that kick, which should never have been attempted anyway.

Blackadder and his cohorts need to sort out some of the egos and attitudes and instil some gumption and steel into his charges or he will be in a revolving door very soon.

 
terracehugger
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:51
Ford's decisions cost us the game. His decision to go for a short restart at the end was crass and irresponsible. The ball should have gone deep into the SF 25.

Never thought I would say this, but we will be better off without him.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:51
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Robbie Fruean please don't go to Edinburgh!

Well, he won't be going with Bath!

 
Barnoid
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:53
Quote:
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They didn't want it so much, and under-performed so much that they only managed to come from 18 - 6 down to 18 - 25 up. Shameful performance(Sm161)

Ah, but that's the joy of blaming them for not "wanting it". As it's a made up, unquantifiable, nonsensical, bullshot term, if the team don't exactly match your expectations, (which for BoB seems to be that they're not Exeter...), you can just blame them for not "wanting it" enough.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 13:55
Agree Terracehugger, we will be better off with Freddie. At least he might want to win for his home town club unlike the spoilt boy who doesn't want to be here.

Thanks George but no thanks. Shut the door behind you.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 14:00
He wants to win as much as anyone but without doubt his goal kicking is a problem.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 14:00
Another example of why Eddie doesn't trust George to kick for England

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