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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:04
Very harsh views on here, if you were at the ground you'd have really seen how much effort the team put in to come back.



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sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:08
So long Fordy,
and thanks for all the fish.
Utter brain fart.

SQUAWK

 
sid the seagull
sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:12
Thought Stooke, Fruen (sic), Obano and Wright looked great when they came on. Banners and Attwood were good mind but probs unfit.
However, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese dump this co-captain bollocccccs thing and find someone with a brain.
Well done Bath brilliant effort.

HOPP

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:15
The decision to kick at the end was the symptom, not the problem.

The real problem was allowing Stade back into the game after taking the lead. We should have played the territory better and put a more aggressive defence down to keep them penned in the 22.

That said. both sides were nearly out on their feet for the last five- I just do not buy this "did not want it enough" stuff.

Easy to blame Ford, but it is a team game and where were the easy penalty attempts created by pressure?

PG

 
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liquidmonkey (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:15
As usual a lot of knee-jerk, ill-considered post match bollox on this board.

 
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by (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:20
We made it hard for ourselves, every mistake cost us greatly throughout the game. But we just needed someone to close the game out.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:23
Anyone thinking we didn't want it enough should have spoken to the players afterwards, they were clearly gutted.



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:25
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I'm not sure we can complain about not closing this game out given that we had to come back from 18-6 down. Ford made some very poor decisions in the last 5 minutes and Watson had a diabolical game given what we've come to expect from him.
agreed, and pretty sure those key mistakes were down to knackeredness more than anything else, certainly not a lack of heart as some keep banging on about


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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:46
Well if it isn't the players responsibility to make decisions, scrummage better, run harder, take better decisions, close the game down, make the aggressive tackles etc, whose is it? The water boy?

The only bollox on this board is the appeasers who are prepared to watch our 'star' studded, pampered squad throw away yet another game this season, after being in a winning position.

I just hope Bruce decides to have another review which will feature the players and responsibility for their actions become accountable and for some changes to be made. Starting with banning the Co Captain claptrap!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:52
"The only bollox on this board is ..." You pretty convincingly demonstrate otherwise.

 
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TCM2007 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 15:53
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liquidmonkey
As usual a lot of knee-jerk, ill-considered post match bollox on this board.

If you want that, check out the Facebook group...



Stuart

Former ed.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 16:05
Credit to stade's defence must be given. Also, banners' try saving tackle was unreal. Roko' try class and fruean was great. I think Nathan Catt was trying too hard and made some silly errors, but he is one of my favourite players so he'll sort that out. Truly gutted with the result, but imagine the equivalent shade board if we'd come back and won that... Two good teams playing well, stade have only been beaten at home once in 18 games now. Perspective would be nice from the naysayers. I am beginning to agree re: ford though. I will support him for England, but he's lacking in a lot of his positive attributes that were so key to our successes in his first few seasons here. Roll on Freddie.

 
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liquidmonkey (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 16:08
I can't argue with you there. The the typical FB group post makes BOB's look like the very model of reasoned argument.
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liquidmonkey
As usual a lot of knee-jerk, ill-considered post match bollox on this board.

If you want that, check out the Facebook group...




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five minutes make the difference between victory and defeat.

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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 16:34
Not sure what it looked like on TV, but from the stand it appeared that Parisse was actually reffing the game.



Chris Cook - Adopted player 2016/17

 
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Landlubber (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 16:38
Hi, a Cornish Pirates supporter dropping in. From that you will realise I know a thing or two about losing games we shouldn't have so I have to say Bath threw the win away today. When they had that penalty at the death I was shouting at the telly for them to drop and go as they had SF on the ropes and I was sure they'd get a try to win the game. As soon as I saw sir point at the posts I knew it was a mistake. Such a shame but I wish your team better success in the future

 
dr.bath1865
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 16:49
What a fantastic match. Absolutely gutted to lose but fair play to Stade. Their defence, discipline and ability to take their opportunities (i.e. Genia) was quite superb.

BoB - in a match where you said "I cannot see anything than a relatively easy Stade win. At least 10 probably nearer 15 point difference." we lost to a last minute drop goal. And you're complaining about effort levels? You make absolutely no sense. Go and tell Francois Louw he wasn't running hard enough or making aggressive enough tackles.

Proud to be a Bath fan today. Really enjoyed our performance. Gutted by the result. Even though we lost, I wish I'd gone to Paris!

 
The Oilman
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 17:02
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dr.bath1865
What a fantastic match. Absolutely gutted to lose but fair play to Stade. Their defence, discipline and ability to take their opportunities (i.e. Genia) was quite superb.
BoB - in a match where you said "I cannot see anything than a relatively easy Stade win. At least 10 probably nearer 15 point difference." we lost to a last minute drop goal. And you're complaining about effort levels? You make absolutely no sense. Go and tell Francois Louw he wasn't running hard enough or making aggressive enough tackles.

Proud to be a Bath fan today. Really enjoyed our performance. Gutted by the result. Even though we lost, I wish I'd gone to Paris!

Agree, what ruined it for me was the dreadful commentary and camera work.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 17:44
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The Oilman

what ruined it for me was the dreadful commentary and camera work.

Good point, I'd have liked to have seen a replay of the Watson/Roko opportunity at the end...was Watson really clean through and didn't need to make the pass??

Robbie Fruean did make a good impact when he came on, but also thought he looked to be behind play due to fitness at the end...and he'd only played 20 minutes. I'd still like to keep him and get him to his full potential though.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 17:56
This whole season we have failed to close out games because of our inability to manage with maturity. We simply don't know how to slow things down, keep it tight, retain possession and kill off the match. Perhaps we don't have the forwards for it? Perhaps it's part of our conscious ethos to play open rugby for 80 and take risks? We are certainly entertaining for the neutral, but I'm afraid we will not win anything by constantly trying to score off first phase, juggling the football and laterally crabbing across the pitch looking for a wonder break, rather than focussing on retention and go-forward - no matter how little - from time to time. Bath are incredibly frustrating to support. Funnily, I think Stade are our French equivalent - they drop a hell of a lot of ball, go for broke and take big risks too. It was such a shame today because we had the momentum when it mattered. We need one point from our last two games to ensure proper Euro cup rugby next season - and the summer to develop a 'plan B' that isn't 'frantic frantic frantic 100mph'.

You never lose, you only win and learn.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:05
I have no issue with the effort put in by the BBW, it's the brain cells that are lacking. That final kick from out wide was a 1 in 3 shot on any day, let alone with the pressure of being the final kick of the match. Did Louw make the decision or was it a co captains effort ?

 
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B4thB4ck (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:13
As supportive as I am of our team I would have opted for a tap and go at the end, I was pretty sure Ford was going to miss the last kick, not just because he isn't consistent but because it was a tough kick after 80 mins of play.

Mind you I was equally certain Roko was going to score as soon as we got him a 1 on 1, he made that look so easy. Is there anyone better in that situation?

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:14
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Beergoggles
I have no issue with the effort put in by the BBW, it's the brain cells that are lacking. That final kick from out wide was a 1 in 3 shot on any day, let alone with the pressure of being the final kick of the match. Did Louw make the decision or was it a co captains effort ?

Flo was told there was no time for a line-out apparently.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:22
If it had been a shot to win (i.e. we were only two points down) it would have been absolutely obvious to take it. The main issue is that George's goal-kicking has got worse, not better - and he is a poor judge of his own goal-kicking ability. His missed drop goal just before the half was pretty amateur as well. That, along with Watson's two howlers were errors of execution, and annoying ones they were too. Batty's last penalty was pretty poor too.

I also think the game plan was absolutely spot on - we ran them off their feet and struck effectively. I think that's absolutely the right game plan for us - we just could do with being 5% sharper and 5% fitter - and have a better defensive pattern. Anyone who thinks that we play that game plan all the time frankly wasn't paying attention to the season before the Leicester game. Our lineout and restart work is light years (actual, literal, not metaphorical light years) better than last season.

The only real terrible decisions were:

1. Playing in our own half too much after Stooke's try
2. The short kick-off after their last try

I'm very disappointed, but way more positive about having a clear game plan and the players to execute it - provided we get a full pre-season, another TH, poss another SH (although Cook was actually OK after he came on!) a reliable goal-kicker and either Garvey or Louw as full-time club and team captain.

 
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Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:30
I suspect fitness is going to be a key plank of pre-season training if TB wants to execute his game plan more effectively next season.



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P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:39
Thanks hasta for some common sense.

Stade shaded the game because they were (just) a little bit better in execution. Six cracking tries- just a shame three were by our opponents.

Before we get too concerned about next season, let's not write off this one: we have the small matter of 2 games (one a derby) to secure Champions Cup rugby next season.

PG

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:49
Any thoughts on the performance of the ref?

In the ground he seemed to allow SF to be offside a lot and he never got a grip of the scrum.



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B4thB4ck
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:52
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OutsideBath
Any thoughts on the performance of the ref?
In the ground he seemed to allow SF to be offside a lot and he never got a grip of the scrum.

Hard to get an opinion from the TV as the camera work was poor, the refs mic was hard to hear and the replays not helpful.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 18:55
We have learnt a number of things from this result:

1. Toby BOOTH needs to take a long hard look at himself as forwards coach and understand that KPN as much as we love him is not good enough at this level. Knight should have been selected for this match - I could not believe KPN was selected. In addition Zach Mercer should have been in the squad given we knew that Stade would tire.

2. Ross Batty - Great bloke, good hooker but when it matters his basics always let him down - why did we not start with or use Nathan Charles?

3. We are predictable and at times one dimensional in attack, our defence at times today was non existent!!

4. We still have no generals to rely on, our game management is awful and today proved it, GF is a wonderful talent but he has time and time again showed he cannot control a game, What on earth was he doing for that short drop out at the end which led to the winning score??? Clearly no-one was expecting it as no-one challenged for it!!!! Again when asked to kick to draw the game he bottled it...My father in law called it from the moment the ref pointed at the posts....When oh When will we learn to close a game out!!

5. Robbie Fruen had got to be signed immediately, he showed today he possess something different, Stade were visibly scared of him when he came on.

6. We are soft and too slow to ring the changes!!! it took over 50 minutes to realise that KPN needed to be taken off!!

7. Irish Officials - Disgraceful - Lacey up to his usual standards...But as awful and useless as he is and was he was not the reason we lost this match - all of the above are!! I hope we learn for we have just blown the only bit of silverware we were likely to win this season.

I for one am so disappointed - that was a game we should have won at a canter....The players look short of confidence - Watson should have walked over at the end but instead blew the last chance we had....When or When will we learn.....

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 19:22
Disgraceful is a ridiculous way of describing the ref. I didn't think he was special (although it's Lacey, so that's not exactly a high bar) but I can't really remember any howlers.

Batty's basics were excellent. Not quite sure why he was still on the pitch to give away that stupid penalty after 78 minutes though.

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 20:41
Criticising the ref opens accusation of sour grapes -especially after a close result.

However, Mr Lacey has long been known for his "tolerance' of offside and breakdown offences - I used to think he was spelt "Laiisez" as in "laissez faire".

Bath should have been prepared for the kind of game he regulated, and on the whole, I think they were.

He did get one decision very wrong:


"22.7 (d) If a defending player threw or took the ball into the in-goal, and a defending player grounded it, and there has been no infringement, play is restarted by a 5-metre scrum. The position of the scrum is in line with where the ball has been touched down. The attacking side throws in the ball. 
"

The scrum after Tapuai was dispossessed on the line should have been a Bath put-in.

PG

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 20:43
I did wonder at the time why we weren't using Priestland in the 2nd half. I didn't feel Tapuai was having as an effective game as he can produce (wasn't terrible, just felt it couldn't hurt to bring on fresh legs)

On reflection, perhaps bringing Priestland into the fray after taking the lead would have helped us control the situation better?

I was frustrated by the lack of chase we applied when Parisse was on his own at the back fielding a kick. Something we can work on for next year I feel, kick chase and maybe restarts (although this has improved).



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 20:56
Having just watched a re-run of the game, it was almost unbelievable that we lost - at 75 mins plus we were still getting all the decisions and winning the 50/50's!

Anyway, moving on, my view is that we look very much less secure in defence since Ant Watson replaced Tom Homer at full back.

 
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Coalminer (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 21:14
I don't think we can blame the referee today. At the same time anyone who thinks the players "didn't want it enough" is clearly nowhere near reality.

With 10 minutes to go the game was ours to win and sadly we gave it away through a sequence of poor decisions and poor execution. Those are things that we as fans will find very frustrating and I am sure the coaches and players will feel the same.

I have always been a supporter of George Ford but he had to make that drop goal just before half time. Also I have to be honest and say that I saw no chance of him kicking that last penalty. I do remember him once kicking a touch line conversion to win us a game away to Wasps but based on the last two seasons I would not have let him anywhere near that kick.

I think Watson will be looking back with horror at what he did in the last 5 minutes. He was in position to make the tackle on their winger but missed it to let them score. In the last minute he made a break but then managed to blow a huge chance to win the game at the end.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 21:17
I am not blaming Lacey for the defeat - I did make that clear in my previous post!!!!

However, he was disgraceful, he was openly criticised by the commentators and Toby Booth.

In Lacey's eyes there was no offside line, time and time again he allowed Stade to play the ball
on the ground and as for Batty. I refer to my previous post he yet again failed to hit his jumpers at our attacking line out.

That is basics for a hooker and I have lost count how many times at crucial times both Batty and TD have failed to hit their men especially at the rear of the line out.

 
dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 21:19
I've just rewatched it - for some reason - and Watson could've walked literally us into the final right at the end after he made his break. I can't believe we lost!

I also can't believe that Banahan made that tackle and stopped a certain try at the end of the first half. An astonishing bit of commitment and skill.

Hey ho. Just gutted, especially for the players... but really looking forward to next weekend.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 22:06
I struggle to remember us losing a lineout.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 22:12
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hasta
I struggle to remember us losing a lineout.

I think they did manage to mess up one of our lineouts, but the general standard was much higher than we're used to.

Seemed to be much less changing of positions before the throw and much more straight forward lineouts than normal.



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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
23 April, 2017 22:24
Todd pointed to the same errors but he was fine with the final kick decision:


Blackadder backed the on-field decision to go for three points rather than a 5m lineout and a potential try to win the game with the last play, saying: "I would have been happy with either.


"I felt they were tiring and we were on top. I still felt that if we'd kicked that goal for the draw we were really strong.

"We backed our fitness in the last 20 (and extra time)."

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 01:26
Yeah, but that's based on the assumption that a top class kicker should've got that kick if they went for it. Frustrating, hell of a DG by plisson as well it must be said! Would Freddie have got that kick? I don't know... Would he have been more realistic than George about his ability? I reckon so...

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 08:16
I'm pretty sure tb made the statement knowing the kicker would be George and his kicking ability. He did seem to be ignorant of the options though, kick to the corner wasn't one of them.

 
MESSAGES->author

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 10:29
Reports suggest we lost by a drop goal, which is true, however it was a shot to nothing as they had a been awarded a penalty in a very kickable position in any case.

 
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dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 10:36
Reports suggest we lost because George didn't kick a penalty, which is true, however, Watson should've walked in the winning try 90 seconds earlier.

Seems in rugby there are many answers to the same question. But the right answer is always on the scoreboard!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 10:53
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P G Tips
"22.7 (d) If a defending player threw or took the ball into the in-goal, and a defending player grounded it, and there has been no infringement, play is restarted by a 5-metre scrum. The position of the scrum is in line with where the ball has been touched down. The attacking side throws in the ball. 
"

The scrum after Tapuai was dispossessed on the line should have been a Bath put-in.
Tapuai wasn't a defending player - he was attacking, and dispossessed after crossing the line, but before the ball reached the ground.
IMO it should have been a 22m drop-out for Stade; but Lacey chose to interpret it as a knock-on by Tapuai (rather than a rip by.... Plisson?) and therefore a scrum to Stade.



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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:00
Does GF have a problem with decision making under severe pressure? If so he seems a less than good candidate for captain or co-captain. Dan Schofield's report in the telegraph pretty much nails it for me. [www.telegraph.co.uk]

Much more debatable is the substitution strategy: Odd that Charles and Preistland never made it on at all and Garvey only got 10 mins.

 
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hemington (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:06
And someone please tell Cookie to concentrate playing rugby and not theatrically trying to tell the ref what he should be doing. He was lucky I think there would be some refs who would have marched us back or even yellow carded him (and he would have deserved it). Shame cos he actually played quite well when he came on but his constant waving arms, complaining, pointing stuff out drives me nuts. Concentrate on getting the ball out and away!!

 
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dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:09
As said on another thread, I thought Cook was great but if he'd concentrated on getting the ball out at the last ruck we'd likely have had an advantage and possibly scored a try against a shattered Stade defensive line. Instead, he waved his arms about, whistle, blew, George missed the tough kick.

 
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Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:17
To be fair to Cookie, he was pointing out to that idiot Lacey that Stade had been slowing the ball down all day without him doing anything about it!!, however hemington you are quite right, you cannot lambast the official no matter how bad they are.

Cookie is passionate but you cannot afford to be a hot head and this is something he has to learn.

I do hope the coaches have a long hard look at the team for Sunday, Knight should start and RP should be given a chance to show his ability to
control the game. Denton, Mercer, Charles and Fruen need to be given a chance as well.

 
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P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:24
WT

If Tapuai had not been robbed of the ball by the defender (Plisson?) it would have been a try. I think he was dispossessed just short of the line.

Therefore the defender played the ball into in-goal, where it was touched down by a team mate.

So - a scrum was correct but the put-in was not.

PG

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 12:42
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Ali1969
To be fair to Cookie, he was pointing out to that idiot Lacey that Stade had been slowing the ball down all day without him doing anything about it!!, however hemington you are quite right, you cannot lambast the official no matter how bad they are.
Cookie is passionate but you cannot afford to be a hot head and this is something he has to learn.

I do hope the coaches have a long hard look at the team for Sunday, Knight should start and RP should be given a chance to show his ability to
control the game. Denton, Mercer, Charles and Fruen need to be given a chance as well.

I agree that the team needs refreshing otherwise I can see us struggling against a revived Gloucester who on form are probably favourites. We have after all lost 2 on the bounce with a team full of "stars"

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 13:15
[quote P G Tips]Criticising the ref opens accusation of sour grapes -especially after a close result.

However, Mr Lacey has long been known for his "tolerance' of offside and breakdown offences - I used to think he was spelt "Laiisez" as in "laissez faire".


I missed the game and reading this board has been a bit depressing. However, it has all been made worthwhile by this piece of individual brilliance from PG Tips.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 13:53
Just got back from Paris

For the first 50 minutes it felt like we were destined to lose it.

Ford's drop goal just before half time was the right idea but the execution was very, very poor. Watched the Clermont game later and saw two excellently taken.......and very, very important drop goals.

Ford's kicking really is very poor for such a lauded player. His kicks for touch from a penalty are always 20 yards short of where a player of his pay grade should get to, both drop goal attempts, both missed were relatively simple and pressure free and as for his penalty kicks......and his penalty kicking %'ages he is just not a top class kicker.

Again in the Clermont game you saw Jonny Sexton keeping Leinster in the game by kicking every penalty........obviously they lost in the end......but in fact that was partially down to the Clermont drop goals.

At the end we were screaming for them to take a scrum but a tap and go would have made more sense.

The leadership group need to hang their heads because they fought there way back into it and we were leading 25 - 18 with four minutes to go.......good teams should not lose from that position. We all know Saracens, Exeter and Wasps would not do so!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
24 April, 2017 13:59
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WT
If Tapuai had not been robbed of the ball by the defender (Plisson?) it would have been a try. I think he was dispossessed just short of the line.

Therefore the defender played the ball into in-goal, where it was touched down by a team mate.

So - a scrum was correct but the put-in was not.

PG
Yes, though my recollection was that he was stripped of the ball in the act of scoring, and over the line. Either way, it was such a close margin that I'd need to see it again, looking specifically for that to say anything with certainty - and I have no recording of the game to rewatch.
Certainly a tight enough call that any of 22 drop; scrum Stade or scrum Bath would all have been reasonable outcomes IMO.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
30 April, 2017 16:37
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Oh dear, so sad, never mind. You would have lost to Glaws in the final anyway so now you won't have a wasted journey. Ford is a bottler!

Not entirely sure your lot would have won that after the p1ss poor performance they have just shown at the rec Grunter old chap?

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 00:34
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Oh dear, so sad, never mind. You would have lost to Glaws in the final anyway so now you won't have a wasted journey. Ford is a bottler!

Who had the wasted journey Grunter? Doesn't that mean you miss out on the big cup next season? That's a real shame.

[all the refs fault according to shedweb?]



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 00:53
I was there tonight and it was a pretty one-sided affair and a bit boring for long spells. The tram service from M'field post match was chaotic at best and downright dangerous at worst. Won't be doing that again after the big cup final tomorrow...



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 08:38
Watched on TV, it was another example of how light drizzle makes a ball more slippery than heavy rain.

Total dominance for Stade at scrums.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 09:24
Sounds like Slimani did well in the scrums? He plays both sides too I think?

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 09:44
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Sounds like Slimani did well in the scrums? He plays both sides too I think?

There seems to be some controversy around him 'rested' at half time and reappearing for a blood 'injury' later in the 2nd half that wasn't obvious.

Apparently BT Sport picked up on it, I was watching Sky and don't recall them talking about it though I wasn't 100% watching.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 09:45
Again?!

 
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P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 11:10
Glos saved their best till last - but it still was not enough.

The result makes our loss at State Jean Bouin all the more galling - I am pretty sure we would have beaten Glos last night. So much of their good stuff was defensive and they really only got the attack together when too late.


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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 12:23
"The result makes our loss at State Jean Bouin all the more galling - I am pretty sure we would have beaten Glos last night."

Completely agree PG.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 12:49
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Sounds like Slimani did well in the scrums? He plays both sides too I think?

There seems to be some controversy around him 'rested' at half time and reappearing for a blood 'injury' later in the 2nd half that wasn't obvious.

Apparently BT Sport picked up on it, I was watching Sky and don't recall them talking about it though I wasn't 100% watching.

Saw on another forum:

Slimani v Wales - off 54 mins, back on 80 mins.
Racing - off 48, back on 74.
Ospreys - off 41, back on 72.
Tonight - off 40, back on 68

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 14:26
Normally I would support any English team playing against foreign opposition but there is just something about Gloucester that stops me doing this. There is nothing to dislike when I hear David Humphries or any of the players being interviewed, they all speak well win or lose. It just has to be SOME of the arrogant, foul mouthed,ignorant, aggressive and one eyed so called supporters that claim allegiance to Gloucs. Please note that I did say 'some'as I would hate to tar all with the same brush. As to the passionate fans in the Shed, I could think of other adjectives to choose to describe them. Enough of this, pass the port and well done Stade.



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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 18:57
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Normally I would support any English team playing against foreign opposition but there is just something about Gloucester that stops me doing this. There is nothing to dislike when I hear David Humphries or any of the players being interviewed, they all speak well win or lose. It just has to be SOME of the arrogant, foul mouthed,ignorant, aggressive and one eyed so called supporters that claim allegiance to Gloucs. Please note that I did say 'some'as I would hate to tar all with the same brush. As to the passionate fans in the Shed, I could think of other adjectives to choose to describe them. Enough of this, pass the port and well done Stade.

+1 I would normally want any English team to beat French opposition but there were some really nasty postings by not just one but several so called Gloucester supporters after we lost to SF some of whom detested everything about Bath & no other Gloucester supporters opposed these comments. That is not an acceptable attitude in any sporting encounter so why should I want such a team to win - though I don't detest them!

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
13 May, 2017 22:49
I am delighted for one of my favourite players of all time Mr Parisse

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
14 May, 2017 10:29
The Slimani thing was first picked up on 51 minutes by BT when he was "warming down" on the exercise bike and mentioned frequently by the BT crew

Justifies an allegation of 'unprofessional conduct bringing game into disrepute' in my view

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
14 May, 2017 22:28
I see that willie heinz has been called up by England. I haven't been that impressed and didn't he have a bit of a 'mare against SF?

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
14 May, 2017 22:44
Thought he played well personally, in fact Gloucester are looking very good with their kick chase game at the moment.

 
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Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
15 May, 2017 07:00
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I see that willie heinz has been called up by England. I haven't been that impressed and didn't he have a bit of a 'mare against SF?

Has to be one of the least impressive of EJ's selections - even beats the baffling commitment to Yarde

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
15 May, 2017 10:26
It's because Exeter, Leicester, Sarries, Wasps and Saints players are all unavailable for this camp.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
15 May, 2017 10:40
Ah, the 'last chicken in the shop' approach!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: SF vs Bath - Match Thread
15 May, 2017 12:30
Yup, Youngs, Care, Robson, Simpson, Spencer, Maunder, Chudley, Townsend, Wigglesworth and Harrison are all unavailable at this point (but IIRC the 2 losing SF teams' players will become available for selection in the match itself).
Heinz is basically the only EQP first choice SH left available, with the likes of Cook or Young being second choice at club level, and standing basically no chance of actually being capped.
He doesn't want someone in this squad he'll have to coach, just someone to follow orders and pass the ball out of rucks in practice - basically a waste of time for the player who would benefit more from chilling back and drinking mojitos on the beach.

Heinz has the added advantages that he hasn't mentally switched off yet; and that he's the one player in the UK who can't turn down a training camp invitation with a, "Thanks, but I suspect you're wasting my time." Not if he doesn't want to void the little bit of paper that he signed saying that he's happy to play for England if selected and thus doesn't count as an overseas player.



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