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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
27 July, 2017 17:32
Perhaps the club management should stop being so arrogant and let the fans know why the 6/7 players haven't been signed and the squad not strengthened for the coming season.



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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
27 July, 2017 18:18
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Ali1969
Yes please - I wish we would pull out the stops to sign Stephen MOORE who has announced his retirement from the national team with immediate effect - he has for years galvanised a weak Australian front 5 at international level could do wonders for our front 5 - problem is we are overstocked with hookers...

Problem is he is going to quit altogether next year!

 
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reme1865 (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
27 July, 2017 20:16
It won't be Tamanivalu he's just re-signed with The Crusaders for 2018.

[crusaders.co.nz]

 
benjbath
benjbath (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
27 July, 2017 22:07
Balls

 
sid the seagull
sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
27 July, 2017 23:24
OB what planet are you on?

HOP

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings
28 July, 2017 05:56
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sid the seagull
OB what planet are you on?
HOP

What exactly do you mean. Try explaining yourself for a change.



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VinceJ
VinceJ (IP Logged)

Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 12:22
This piece in today's Chron on line seems very much as if TB is still looking, the cap presents limitations etc.

No big name lined up!

Update from TB

I posted it under the New Signings thread but this news seems to warrant a new thread as it is "new news"

 
TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 12:57
Sounds like we are on plan B or maybe C or D. Hmmmmmm.

 
DanWiley
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:10
I wonder if the conversation went along the lines of:

Todd said "we need 6 new players."
Management said "well maybe, but there's the cap.",
"Yeah, right the 'cap'",
"Well that's what we thought a few years ago but it turns out not to be the case.",
"oh."

Still, we've got the big squad everyone wanted a year or so ago, so surely no one is complaining now we can't get the "right people"?

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:25
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TG Kesmo
Sounds like we are on plan B or maybe C or D. Hmmmmmm.

The management have a plan?



Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18

 
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Coalminer (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:27
Maybe the three we want are more expensive than the mgmt expected.

 
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:27
I just can't believe that we are up to the cap with the current squad. Wasn't the cap increased by 500k and another player could be excluded. Ford, Denton, Bowden and Sisi were all released, Fruean has also gone and you'd have to suspect that he was on a pretty decent contract.

Anyways I really do hope we'll bring in a couple more players and crucially a replacement for Fruean.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:40
Why have we started another signings thread???

 
Boldangrey
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 13:54
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I just can't believe that we are up to the cap with the current squad. Wasn't the cap increased by 500k and another player could be excluded. Ford, Denton, Bowden and Sisi were all released, Fruean has also gone and you'd have to suspect that he was on a pretty decent contract.


Maybe the BBC took over pay negotiations for the current squad.

 
DanWiley
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 14:24
"I just can't believe that we are up to the cap with the current squad."

I don't think it is as simple as that. Clearly the cap increasing largely just inflates players wages. Notice how the cap has gone up massively over the last few years, but the number and quality of players has remained broadly the same. That seems to suggest to me the same number and quality of players are just being paid more.

So, the cap increases lead to wage inflation, but we have players (about 2/3rds of them) that contracts don't need renewing this year. That sounds like its good except that next year, when their contracts do run out, they will expect the inflation that everyone else has received and they'll be of PDQ if they don't get it here. If we've spent up to the cap we won't have that spare to pay them and we'll lose them. If we've any sense then we'll account for that wage inflation now and so the extra money quickly becomes very little in real terms.

Of course, we could rely on another cap increase next year and the next and so on. But that might not happen and even if it does its pretty unsustainable.

In short, for at least that reason, its not as simple as that.

 
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Ayerza wannabe (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 14:25
wasn't Fruean on a injury contract so not counted to the salary cap.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 14:34
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DanWiley
"I just can't believe that we are up to the cap with the current squad."
I don't think it is as simple as that. Clearly the cap increasing largely just inflates players wages. Notice how the cap has gone up massively over the last few years, but the number and quality of players has remained broadly the same. That seems to suggest to me the same number and quality of players are just being paid more.

So, the cap increases lead to wage inflation, but we have players (about 2/3rds of them) that contracts don't need renewing this year. That sounds like its good except that next year, when their contracts do run out, they will expect the inflation that everyone else has received and they'll be of PDQ if they don't get it here. If we've spent up to the cap we won't have that spare to pay them and we'll lose them. If we've any sense then we'll account for that wage inflation now and so the extra money quickly becomes very little in real terms.

Of course, we could rely on another cap increase next year and the next and so on. But that might not happen and even if it does its pretty unsustainable.

In short, for at least that reason, its not as simple as that.


That makes sense, but surely wages will only be increased when contracts are renewed and there haven't been that many renewals over the last year.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 14:51
But the point is we will have renewals in future and we need to reserve cap for that. The fact that there weren't many this year (I don't really recall if this year was exceptional or not) probably means that there will be a greater proportion in future.

On reflection, our squad has increased a lot over the last year or so, regardless of whether that is through signing or re-signing. Signing a replacement is the same as re-signing a player in cap terms (pretty much).

 
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dcsh (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 17:24
There was some discussion on the eggchasers podcast that player wage inflation was pretty staggering, with some decent premiership (but no where near international) players now getting ~300k per season. That will soon burn through the cap.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 18:23
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DanWiley
But the point is we will have renewals in future and we need to reserve cap for that.

The fact is the cap is now frozen at 7m for the 2017-18, 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons.

To have any chance at keeping our squad together, with young players such as Watson, Underhill and Mercer, we need to be forward thinking.

On the face of it we should have plenty of room in the cap as others have suggested, yet as Dan says we need to keep a portion of it aside.

This is what I tried pointing out on the Future-proofing and Succession Planning thread a while back.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 18:30
[m.rugbynetwork.net]

A reminder to what we discussion in the Future-proofing thread.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
26 July, 2017 22:19
What signings?

 
DanWiley
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 11:48
I think our squad size had gone from mid 30s to mid 40s? Perhaps there's some accounting going on there for players on the cusp of the senior squad, but we must have signed some people.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 12:05
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DanWiley
But the point is we will have renewals in future and we need to reserve cap for that.

The fact is the cap is now frozen at 7m for the 2017-18, 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons.

To have any chance at keeping our squad together, with young players such as Watson, Underhill and Mercer, we need to be forward thinking.

On the face of it we should have plenty of room in the cap as others have suggested, yet as Dan says we need to keep a portion of it aside.

This is what I tried pointing out on the Future-proofing and Succession Planning thread a while back.

I agree that some money needs to be allocated for contract renewals, however unless the squad is improved in terms of quality our chances of winning trophies won't improve.

The likes of Watson etc will only want to stay at a club that has a good chance of silverware.



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Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 12:16
We are all going around in circles. Something has gone wrong whether it is the fault or our experienced coaching staff or our money men or even a collaboration of both.

I personally do not believe that our coaching team under estimated our strengths, but the simple fact is we as a squad have been left weak in certain areas - namely the front 5, and cover in the neckline.

I think Gareth Chilcott made a valid point in that come the wet weather which always coincides with the internstional periods we are there for the taking by any team, if you consider last year HT injured, NA injured, NC called up to the Englang training squad, ML injured towards the end of the season - hookers let's not even go there given the injuries. 2nd row - Ewels with England, Attwood with England or injured, Chateris injured most of the season. So I think based on this as we have not strengthened any of these areas this is a major concern.

All I am saying given the other clubs in the AP having strengthened considerably I have re-adjusted my expectations for the forthcoming season, I pray for a magical season obviously by the pragmatic me knows this may well be a struggle season.

Before some of you start this is not a doom and gloom pessimistic downer speaking, this is an ex-player realist speaking. I speak the truth and I am sorry if some deem it doom and gloom but that is how it is. I am quick enough to spread the positives but this news is not positive however you paint it. Come on Bzth.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 12:17
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OutsideBath
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DanWiley
But the point is we will have renewals in future and we need to reserve cap for that.

The fact is the cap is now frozen at 7m for the 2017-18, 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons.

To have any chance at keeping our squad together, with young players such as Watson, Underhill and Mercer, we need to be forward thinking.

On the face of it we should have plenty of room in the cap as others have suggested, yet as Dan says we need to keep a portion of it aside.

This is what I tried pointing out on the Future-proofing and Succession Planning thread a while back.

I agree that some money needs to be allocated for contract renewals, however unless the squad is improved in terms of quality our chances of winning trophies won't improve.

The likes of Watson etc will only want to stay at a club that has a good chance of silverware.

What I'd love to see is the spend profile from each team, not naming players, but % spent in each area of the team.

I imagine teams such as Sarries and Leicester devote a higher % of the cap in the front 5, where as I imagine we spend more in the back row and back line.

I agree we need to strengthen to challenge, but it will come at a cost, another area will have to be weakened (well, if pay is the measure of strength).

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 12:29
Ali, just to play Devils Advocate,

Our front 5 stocks have remained the same as last season and they were good enough to get us within touching distance of the playoffs DESPITE all those injuries you have listed.

We lack specialist centres yes, but we have lots of players that can cover centre, having decent experience there:

Joseph 13
Tapuai 13 / 13
Clark 12/ 13
Priestland 12
Banahan 12 / 13
Lewis 12
Jennings 12

Even Williams, Wilson and Rokoduguni have turned out for Bath at 13.

Maybe not championship winning formula, but it's obviously not worrying Todd too much if he feels able to "wait for the right men".

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 13:21
So not only is Todd a nice kindly man he also sounds pretty laid back about recruitment and happy to wait for the right people...good

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 13:30
BathSalmon you are quite right, however as Coochie pointed out we won a lot of those games by the luck of the draw, and could have easily lost any of them, which if we had we would have been at the bottom of the table looking over our shoulders.

I am not too worried by our back line other than 9 if KF is injured or away for any reason. My real concern is the front 5 we have not strengthened other than Phillips - we got away with it last year but what are the chances of 2 years on the trot.

I seem to remember people on this site complaining about the lack of possession we had during games and playing most of the game in our own half to sneak a result at the end - Exeter away is a prime example.

I do fear about our fire power - I do not believe we will be fighting relegation but we will struggle against any big and powerful packs - I see Exeter have signed another big, nasty South African lump as if they have not got enough already.

To be fair to TB what is he going to say, how many managers truly come out and call the management and remain in a job???

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 14:07
Yes please - I wish we would pull out the stops to sign Stephen MOORE who has announced his retirement from the national team with immediate effect - he has for years galvanised a weak Australian front 5 at international level could do wonders for our front 5 - problem is we are overstocked with hookers...

 
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 14:25
Well the article definitely does suggest that we are going to be signing between 2 or 3 players, a TH and 1 in the backs, all while looking for the right replacement for Fruean. So if we do manage to sign another TH and a back, then the squad will look stronger.

Personally I think we should be focusing on beefing up our tight 5 prospects in the academy as it feels like we hardly have anyone coming through in those positions.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 14:29
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Ali1969

Before some of you start this is not a doom and gloom pessimistic downer speaking, this is an ex-player realist speaking. I speak the truth and I am sorry if some deem it doom and gloom but that is how it is.
in that denial, you can feel free to join literally every doom monger on this site


A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
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Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 14:46
A few times last season our results exceeded our performance. That kind of thing won't last.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 15:22
In the 10 Aviva games settled by a score or less last season, we won 5 and lost 5. The wins tended towards the first half of the season and the losses the second, but these things tend to even out. So anyone who claims we were lucky to win 5 whilst ignoring the 5 we lost are just thick doom-and-gloom mongers.



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benjbath
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 17:11
Having a reliable kicker will be a real help this season. Henry Thomas, Tom Dunn and Nathan Catt with big Dave and Another is not bad at all with Lahiff, auterac and walker/batty off the bench. For me it is only a TH (as everyone else has stated) that we need. We do employ professional rugby players; these men are hard as nails and blokes like stooke, Dunn, ewels, underhill are only gonna get harder and nastier. I would, as I keep saying, love someone like sinckler or a TH equivalent of the Genge mould to be young and controllably feisty, but a bit of realism and indeed respect for these bliddy hard blokes does - I think - allow for optimism to prevail from where I'm sitting...

 
quanco
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 18:21
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Ali1969
Yes please - I wish we would pull out the stops to sign Stephen MOORE who has announced his retirement from the national team with immediate effect - he has for years galvanised a weak Australian front 5 at international level could do wonders for our front 5 - problem is we are overstocked with hookers...

You'll have to excuse my very different opinion of Stephen Moore Ali... when was the last time you saw him play?

He was dropped in June by Cheika due to his lack luster and in consistent performances for both club and country. The prospect of signing is enough to give me the shudders.
Majority of Aus' fans give the same reaction when he steps on the pitch recently if you want to check out any of their forums.

Also, he's stated that he'll be retiring from rugby altogether after playing one final season for The Reds so I don't think it's going to be possible.

If you want to know who's galvanizing that team, check out Hooper's influence game after game after game.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 18:44
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Ali1969
Yes please - I wish we would pull out the stops to sign Stephen MOORE who has announced his retirement from the national team with immediate effect - he has for years galvanised a weak Australian front 5 at international level could do wonders for our front 5 - problem is we are overstocked with hookers...

Not sure why this is duplicated but I'll duplicate my response.

Problem is Stephen Moore is going to quit altogether next year! What that means is that we are simply postponing chaos as we look to settle in another player.

TB has said he want the right people rather than stop gaps, its all very well complaining that we have not signed anyone but if there is no one suitable then you wait till the right one becomes available.

Its not as though we have a small low quality squad in fact its a decent size with some real quality players.

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
27 July, 2017 22:49
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quanco
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Ali1969
Yes please - I wish we would pull out the stops to sign Stephen MOORE who has announced his retirement from the national team with immediate effect - he has for years galvanised a weak Australian front 5 at international level could do wonders for our front 5 - problem is we are overstocked with hookers...

You'll have to excuse my very different opinion of Stephen Moore Ali... when was the last time you saw him play?

He was dropped in June by Cheika due to his lack luster and in consistent performances for both club and country. The prospect of signing is enough to give me the shudders.

Majority of Aus' fans give the same reaction when he steps on the pitch recently if you want to check out any of their forums.

Also, he's stated that he'll be retiring from rugby altogether after playing one final season for The Reds so I don't think it's going to be possible.

If you want to know who's galvanizing that team, check out Hooper's influence game after game after game.

Wot, Michael Hooper of the Waratahs?

They've won 4 games out of 15 this season.....



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
quanco
quanco (IP Logged)

Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
28 July, 2017 06:48
Well the Brumbies are the only Aus team which qualified to progress and they won a total of 6 games before Damian McKenzie showed them the door in the quarters.

Hooper's performances for the Waratahs haven't been too bad but his leadership qualities during the international window are really what came to mind -ahead of Stephen Moore, the captain of the Australian team - who wasn't even playing and lost his captaincy to Hooper.

The state of Australian rugby is questionable but Hooper is a fine player imo.



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Danchinho
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
28 July, 2017 07:51
Hooper is a very good player for the National team. The Tahs have finished 4th out of 5 in the league though, pretty poor even by Australian low standards this season.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
quanco
quanco (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 08:08
Agreed, but he certainly played a significant role when the Tahs were doing well and he still has a positive leadership role internationally.

I think you'd agree that he has had more of a galvanising affect than Stephen Moore has on an international level which was my original point.



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BathMatt53
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Re: Update on Signings Situation from TB
28 July, 2017 08:08
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jayeatman
In the 10 Aviva games settled by a score or less last season, we won 5 and lost 5. The wins tended towards the first half of the season and the losses the second, but these things tend to even out. So anyone who claims we were lucky to win 5 whilst ignoring the 5 we lost are just thick doom-and-gloom mongers.

I have reported this comment. The stating of sensible facts is not allowed in this thread.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 08:24
Shipwrecked I know Moore has stated he intends to retire next year from rugby altogether, but that would give us 12 months to convince him to stay on with a new challenge.

Quanco I respect your opinion however, I have seen Moore play recently and he looked in pretty good nick. To win 125 international caps at hooker, flies in the face of you comments. Regarding Chieka he is a maverick, however recognizing Moores age he most probably would want to blood younger talent for when Moore finishes. Ask yourself another question, when you have played at the highest level with weak props and second rows and each week you take a battering what outlook would you have, his relaxed personality is probably what got him through?

I do respect Andrew Hore, Gordon Bulloch and Bismark du Plesis who all have Moore as one of their most admired players and hardest opposition. Sean Fitzpatrick also quoted what high regard he had for Moore as a player and a person. All together that is some compliment.

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 09:15
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quanco
Agreed, but he certainly played a significant role when the Tahs were doing well and he still has a positive leadership role internationally.
I think you'd agree that he has had more of a galvanising affect than Stephen Moore has on an international level which was my original point.

Yes, he's a top player.
I was just being an ar5e because the Tahs have been@#$%&this season and no one has galvanised them to do anything other than fold most weeks!

But, yes, Hooper is a top top draw player and will be a key part if/when Australia start performing again.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 09:21
Isn't it a bit of a moot point, of all the positions I think that were are most adequately filled at hooker?

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 10:41
I see Tamanivalu has renewed with Crusaders.

I think this is part of our problem - the best players in NZ franchises are either ambitious to be All Blacks or top targets for renewal with their teams while young. Their interest in NH rugby waits until their late twenties/thirties.

Perhaps, we should switch attention to SA instead- there are big structural and economic challenges in SA rugby, but the nation still produces plenty of talent and promise.


PG

 
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 11:11

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 11:57
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Seems like a prudent move by TB.



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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:07
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Seems like a prudent move by TB.

Indeed, he really put his body on the line in the Brive game and looks very good in the loose.

I know we're not short of hookers (when they're all fit!) but you could argue he's a better option than 1 or 2 we already have on the books.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:07
Bruce was one of the key people behind expanding the cap. So far it would appear to have had no tangible benefit i.e. with regard to the Bath squad.

I think the main driver was to compete with ther French clubs, I guess that's worked to an extent for some other clubs at least.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:08
You are so right BathMatt typical isn't it!!

Bit of a concern that 2 of our hookers clearly not fit as you would expect coming back from such serious injuries and yet we were unable to keep the young academy lad with the real prospect of 1st team action?? That to me sounds like their are clearly issues still around the club enough to persuade a young lad to go to a rival club where he beliefs he has better prospects!!

Welcome back Nathan hope you get a better chance to show your talents this time.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:21
Not surprised to see the young hooker move to Wasps, much better chance of winning trophies in the coming years.



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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:28
Glasgow Warriors just signed a TH prop from the Highlanders, Siua Halanukonuka, not really a starter but probably a better bench option than Craig Mitchell.

 
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 12:33
IMO Nathan should never have been let go! His abrasive performance against Brive was very cheering and full of guts and effort, until he got blatantly punched in the stomach, which the officials missed.

I would like him to be on the permanent staff, even if it means we have 5 hookers. He is a big powerful lump who has got lots of top class experience.

Sign him up quick Bruce and welcome back Nathan.

 
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 14:47
It seems like the management wants to focus on galvanising the squad we already have, without rocking the boat with crowd pleasing signings, which is refreshing in the Bruce Craig era. We've heard a lot about developing 'culture' - which I for one think is spot on. Remember that we are welcoming back a lot of players that were absent for huge stretches last season - and it seems that TB has faith in our home grown talent (for example, think of the progress Dunn made last year). As the old adage goes, 'it isn't the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog that counts'. Have faith!

 
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 15:16
Rumour on Twitter that Jonny May could be leaving Glos!



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VinceJ
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 15:34
Suggestion in the Gloucester paper is that May is going to Leicester and Slater to Glos.

 
noidea
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28 July, 2017 15:36
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Rumour on Twitter that Jonny May could be leaving Glos!

I believe there was a rumour a couple of month ago that we were looking to sign him. I still laugh every time I think of him trying to help out in the scrum for England - well worth googling if you havn't seen it

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 15:57
Why is he leaving, isn't their pitch wide enough?

 
Bath Hammer
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28 July, 2017 16:30
I would be very happy to have May join us. It was rumoured a while ago but like everything else came to nothing. Obviously a centre & T/H is paramount but we could do with another wing option, though he could be pricey.

 
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28 July, 2017 16:41
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Why is he leaving, isn't their pitch wide enough?

I gather he has suddenly found his arms don't reach the ground!



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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

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28 July, 2017 16:43
We get linked with pretty much every player who is rumoured to be available. Never comes to anything though, the management don't have what it takes to seal the deal.

For what it's worth though May wouldn't be much use to us when we're short of quality in other positions.



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quanco
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28 July, 2017 17:20
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Agreed, but he certainly played a significant role when the Tahs were doing well and he still has a positive leadership role internationally.
I think you'd agree that he has had more of a galvanising affect than Stephen Moore has on an international level which was my original point.

Yes, he's a top player.
I was just being an ar5e because the Tahs have been@#$%&this season and no one has galvanised them to do anything other than fold most weeks!

But, yes, Hooper is a top top draw player and will be a key part if/when Australia start performing again.

No harm done, I'm fortunate enough to support the Tahs, Bath and Arsenal FC and so I've rather forgotten what winning silverware feels like. sad smiley

 
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28 July, 2017 17:38
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Agreed, but he certainly played a significant role when the Tahs were doing well and he still has a positive leadership role internationally.
I think you'd agree that he has had more of a galvanising affect than Stephen Moore has on an international level which was my original point.

Yes, he's a top player.
I was just being an ar5e because the Tahs have been@#$%&this season and no one has galvanised them to do anything other than fold
most weeks!

But, yes, Hooper is a top top draw player and will be a key part if/when Australia start performing again.

No harm done, I'm fortunate enough to support the Tahs, Bath and Arsenal FC and so I've rather forgotten what winning silverware feels like. sad smiley

I share your pain, watching Arsenal underperform year on year is almost like watching Bath.



Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18

 
hipster1676
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 18:14
Bath are becoming the Tottenham of the rugby world

 
Bath Hammer
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28 July, 2017 18:23
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No harm done, I'm fortunate enough to support the Tahs, Bath and Arsenal FC and so I've rather forgotten what winning silverware feels like. sad smiley

I'm not sure who Tahs are but it can't be as trying as supporting West Ham & Bath but I don't think I'd be happier if I supported Chelsea & Sarries. Although I moan a bit about both I wouldn't swap them for any other teams to support.

 
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28 July, 2017 18:35
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Bath are becoming the Tottenham of the rugby world

I'd actually liken Bath to Liverpool FC.

Once great and dominant side trying to get back to the top but blew their chance a couple of years ago. Now left behind by the current top sides and struggling to attract world class players.



Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18

 
BathMatt53
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28 July, 2017 18:48
Yawn. The only world class players that join the NH sides do so for lots and lots of cash. Like Beale or the guys joining the French sides. That is cash that we don't have left in our cap according to TB. The few world class players that are around have been brought through by teams such as Sarries. I'm not sure what you expect really but this constant and unrelenting Bath and Bath Management / Ownership bashing was stale a long time ago IMO.

 
quanco
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28 July, 2017 19:20
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No harm done, I'm fortunate enough to support the Tahs, Bath and Arsenal FC and so I've rather forgotten what winning silverware feels like. sad smiley

I'm not sure who Tahs are but it can't be as trying as supporting West Ham & Bath but I don't think I'd be happier if I supported Chelsea & Sarries. Although I moan a bit about both I wouldn't swap them for any other teams to support.

Wara-tahs



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DanWiley
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Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 19:46
I genuinely don't think buying in stars is the way to go anyway. I'm trying to think of stars that have been bought into tabs where they've really made the difference their paycheck demands.

 
BathPatriot
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28 July, 2017 20:34
It's going to be a very long and difficult season, I don't see much top level quality in our team at all, made worse by no new players of any note coming on board, , just have to hope that team spirit and endeavour will see us through. As for silverware, forget it, we are there simply to make up the numbers. Sad.

 
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28 July, 2017 20:43
Quote from Dad's Army...and your name will also go on the list, what is it....don't tell him...BP

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28 July, 2017 20:54
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It's going to be a very long and difficult season, I don't see much top level quality in our team at all, made worse by no new players of any note coming on board, , just have to hope that team spirit and endeavour will see us through. As for silverware, forget it, we are there simply to make up the numbers. Sad.

Goodness, David, if we all thought like you Bath wouldn't sell a single STH let alone sell, out every game! For goodness sake what has the club done to you that you have turned into a Frenchy?



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Boldangrey
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28 July, 2017 20:57
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It's going to be a very long and difficult season, I don't see much top level quality in our team at all, .........


Flo, Faletau, Underhill, JJ, Watson, Kahn, Burns, Garvie, Ewells, Mercer, Priestland, Roko.


All no hopers ?????????

 
Bath Hammer
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28 July, 2017 21:02
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It's going to be a very long and difficult season, I don't see much top level quality in our team at all, made worse by no new players of any note coming on board, , just have to hope that team spirit and endeavour will see us through. As for silverware, forget it, we are there simply to make up the numbers. Sad.

Joseph, Watson, Faletau, Underhill, Kahn, Dunn, Catt, Atwood, Burns, Rokoduguni, Mercer, Louw etc.etc.etc - all second rate (Sm147)

 
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28 July, 2017 22:46
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I don't see much top level quality in our team at all,

No, I agree; it's not like we have two of the best Lions from the test side which defied all odds to draw the series, the six nations (joint) top try scorer, a 52 cap springbok, one of the most lethal wingers in the premiership, a emerging international player described by Eddie Jones as "outstanding", another young England player who is potentially the answer to England's issues at open side, the England U20 captain who pretty much single handedly dragged them into the final, the best scrumhalf in England last season a guy who has scored 87 tries for the 1st team. Not to mention 10 players who will be capped and are potential England regulars in the next few years...

No quality at all, might as well jack it in, conceed all of our games and accept relegation now.

 
sid the seagull
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28 July, 2017 23:23
OB,explain?
Why bother when there are none so blind that they cannot see.

Peace love and @#$%&

HOP

 
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Garbageman (IP Logged)

Re: New Signings and updates merged
28 July, 2017 23:50
We have some great players and a dream coaching team Imo, I'm optimistic. As for the doom mongers, just a bore

 
Bath Hammer
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29 July, 2017 05:58
The one thing I would agree on is that in order to properly harness all that talent we just need one or two essential players. It will be such a shame to possibly waste the talent we have on account of that. However, just shoe horning in any old players to fill the gaps is also not the way forward. It is a dilemma.

 
Ali1969
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29 July, 2017 10:32
I am going to remain positive however there is much hoping going in. Yes we have a really good coaching team, yes we have 2 players who started for the Lions.

We have some well documented weaknesses in the squad and it is clear something has gone on off season wins our recruitment, whether that be TB & Team at fault (which I personally do not see) or the money men or a collaboration of both.

I have to say I was concerned last night watching the 7s. Most teams except Bath seemed to be fielding players from their A team and Academy, here's we fielded a team of guests bar will Homer. Does that mean in our squad we have that many injuries that all our academy players and A team players are needed for the 1st Team squad.

I actually trout given our squad number we may actually field a Bath team not a guest team..very disappointing and worrying.

 
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29 July, 2017 10:45
Rene Ranger signs with La Rochelle, could have been option for us in the midfield.

 
jonniejon
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29 July, 2017 10:48
Senior squad are on a weeks holiday so I doubt any of them wanted to ditch a deserved week off to play in the 7's

 
BathBurger
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29 July, 2017 10:52
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Rene Ranger signs with La Rochelle, could have been option for us in the midfield.

Great when he's fit. Unfortunately he's a bigger injury magnet that Fruean. Perhaps best he didn't come to us given our injury record!

 
Ali1969
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29 July, 2017 11:48
Ok senior squad on a weeks leave but what about the academy players and the genuine A team players are they included in the senior squad???

Other clubs wmanaged to field a team which actually represented the club they play for unless I am wrong we had London Scottish players, Army, RAF, University and Cinderford players - only Will Homer is officially a Bath Player. Allegedly we have a squad of nearly or just above 40 players!!! All earning a tremendous wage as we have apparently neatly reached our 7 million cap and yet we were unable to put out 10 players to represent our club.

Why enter a competition unless your there to compete and attempt to win it. On this point I agree with Mark McCall, Rob Bacter & Dai Young - Aiming to compete and win every competition you enter sets a winning mentality through the the squad, club and sends a message to your opponents.



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BathPatriot
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29 July, 2017 11:51
Calling me Frenchy was painful CC, but we all have our own views, I just feel a bit down on our current team right now, that's all. Hope I am proved wrong .

 
Barnoid
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29 July, 2017 13:01
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Why enter a competition unless your there to compete and attempt to win it.

Presumably because the club are contractually obliged to put a team out?

I don't disagree that there are some concerns around the club at the moment but us fielding a team of kids and ringers for this tournament in order to give our first, second and even A team a break, doesn't bother me one iota.

I'd go so far as to say I'm as bothered about this as I was about the makeup of the team we put out for that charity cricket match the other day.

 
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29 July, 2017 13:16
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Why enter a competition unless your there to compete and attempt to win it.

Presumably because the club are contractually obliged to put a team out?

I don't disagree that there are some concerns around the club at the moment but us fielding a team of kids and ringers for this tournament in order to give our first, second and even A team a break, doesn't bother me one iota.

I'd go so far as to say I'm as bothered about this as I was about the makeup of the team we put out for that charity cricket match the other day.

Clearly not a priority, if fudging it means a better preseason then I'm all for it.

 
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JimDaff (IP Logged)

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29 July, 2017 13:37
Sevens is virging on being a different sport anyway, I would rather we concentrate on playing and winning the three/four 15 a side tournaments we're in this year!

 
BathMatt53
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29 July, 2017 13:58
Singa would probably be better just making it another invitational. Clubs or ad-hoc teams who want to enter and take it seriously can do whether premiership or not. Better for the fans too?

 
DanWiley
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29 July, 2017 16:05
It occurred to me reading this that I'm actually really positive about next season, I just don't think we're likely to be in the running to win much.

I reckon we'll play some cracking rugby and I'll enjoy it. I don't think we currently look like one of the top two teams that could realistically challenge, no shame in that, only a couple of teams ever are, but that doesn't mean I think next season of a water of time.

 
BathMatt53
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29 July, 2017 19:03
That's the spirit DW! I suspect that most on here accept that we will struggle against Sarries etc. But a bit of PMA doesn't hurt...

 
Boldangrey
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29 July, 2017 20:39
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Ok senior squad on a weeks leave but what about the academy players and the genuine A team players are they included in the senior squad???
Other clubs wmanaged to field a team which actually represented the club they play for unless I am wrong we had London Scottish players, Army, RAF, University and Cinderford players - only Will Homer is officially a Bath Player. Allegedly we have a squad of nearly or just above 40 players!!! All earning a tremendous wage as we have apparently neatly reached our 7 million cap and yet we were unable to put out 10 players to represent our club.

Why enter a competition unless your there to compete and attempt to win it. On this point I agree with Mark McCall, Rob Bacter & Dai Young - Aiming to compete and win every competition you enter sets a winning mentality through the the squad, club and sends a message to your opponents.

I would agree with you if most other clubs didn't do the same thing.

 
Gussieboy
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29 July, 2017 20:52
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We have some great players and a dream coaching team Imo, I'm optimistic. As for the doom mongers, just a bore

Personally I think there is nowt as boring as those who constantly trot out the 'doom mongers' comment when someone gives an opinion that we won't win / get in the play offs etc. Far more tedious in my opinion.

 
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29 July, 2017 21:12
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We have some great players and a dream coaching team Imo, I'm optimistic. As for the doom mongers, just a bore

Personally I think there is nowt as boring as those who constantly trot out the 'doom mongers' comment when someone gives an opinion that we won't win / get in the play offs etc. Far more tedious in my opinion.

Trouble is Gussieboy, the doom mongers don't just say it once they go, on and on and on repeating the same old mantra. there is a point where supporters should, quite simply, support. Now they have had their say though I can't imagine the doom mongering will continue, unless they are blind to the class players we already have with the possibility of more to come.

 
BathMatt53
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29 July, 2017 21:21
+1 SW. Also, some have come up with reasonable opinions such as a weakness in certain positions. IMO Others just trot out that we have a weak team with no quality players and unsupportive managers which is clearly not true. It is a forum though so each to their own...I do wonder if some would post negatively if we signed the entire AB 1st XV though.

Let's see what happens...

 
Gussieboy
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29 July, 2017 21:59
I don't see anyone here saying that we're destined for relegation, loosing all our best players, bankruptcy, spontaneous combustion, the end of the world.... Just some folk expressing their opinion that we are lacking what they perceive we need to win the league, or possibly get in the play offs - and there are some good arguments to support their opinions. Seems it's just too easy for some to counter that with the same old 'doom mongers' rubbish. So is everyone who doesn't actually believe we'll win the league and be crowned European Champions a 'doom monger'?? We are all passionate fans, and feeling frustrated, some times angry, maybe realistic and heaven forbid, sometimes a little pessimistic, comes with the territory and I don't think folk (who aren't actually saying the end is nigh), should have their opinions dismissed with the same old lazy tedious doom monger comment.

 
ken_jnr
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29 July, 2017 22:27
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I do wonder if some would post negatively if we signed the entire AB 1st XV though

Well if you want to buy in expensive foreigners and ignore our home grown talent, I'm going to support Bristol/Exeter/Oldfield. Bruce Craig has a lot to answer for.

That was too easy, get be me another!

 
southgate
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30 July, 2017 07:15
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I do wonder if some would post negatively if we signed the entire AB 1st XV though

Well if you want to buy in expensive foreigners and ignore our home grown talent, I'm going to support Bristol/Exeter/Oldfield. Bruce Craig has a lot to answer for.

That was too easy, get be me another!
Mmmmm Exeter I see they just signed a south African lock.

 
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30 July, 2017 09:12
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We have some great players and a dream coaching team Imo, I'm optimistic. As for the doom mongers, just a bore

Personally I think there is nowt as boring as those who constantly trot out the 'doom mongers' comment when someone gives an opinion that we won't win / get in the play offs etc. Far more tedious in my opinion.

Don't think I've commented on this thread before so 'constantly'? SW covered it but it's the repetition of claims that the management is rubbish, squad is poor that gives me the @#$%&'s. Doom mongers/gloom mongers, whichever you prefer.

 
BathMatt53
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30 July, 2017 09:12
Yes, good enough for a single game all season with Worcester last season, a drubbing in the AW cup. The sort of player the Bath management would be slaughtered for...in this case Baxter the genius makes another inspired signing...

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