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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

next season prospects
12 July, 2017 15:39
...according to the Chron, the bookmakers are saying:

1. Saracens - 13/10
2. Wasps - 11/4
3. Exeter Chiefs - 4/1
4. Leicester Tigers - 14/1
5. Bath Rugby - 20/1
6. Northampton Saints - 40/1
7. Harlequins - 50/1
8. Gloucester Rugby - 66/1
9. Sale Sharks - 250/1
10. Newcastle Falcons - 300/1
11. London Irish - 500/1
12. Worcester Warriors - 500/1

Of course these are odds of winning rather than finishing positions, but think that Worcester and Sale will do better than this with their signings. Saints potentially worse unless they can sort a few positions, like 8. Jury out on us and Tigers until we see who comes in...

 
BathPatriot
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Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 16:07
No good for us, mid table at best.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 17:11
As the squad stands at present I think those odds are over generous to us. As I said on another thread we are leaving it late with any new signings and looking st the squad there are some huge weakness and what worries me is the gulf of class between the starting player and their respective back up - KF and Cook being one example. As much as I like him KPN is not a premiership standard TH.

I look at our squad and cannot help but think we are far too weak in key areas, I am sure TB & TM are working on filling those gaps but time is ticking on fast especially for an oversees player to arrive acclimatise and settle prior to the start of the AP.

 
HamishMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 17:21
I too think those odds are generous! I think we need a fully fit Shaun Knight (was impressed by him once he lost a bit of tub as is a great scrummager it appears) or a new TH PLUS at least one centre, preferably an inside centre with a little chunk to fill out midfield out.

I am a bit worried we are a little lightweight across the entire team bar Attwood, Garvey and Banners. If Banners is not in the backline we are extremely lightweight and although I don't want us to play him at 12 or for us to bring in Jamie Roberts or an equally uninspiring 12 I would like to see a powerful midfielder brought in before the start of the year too.

 
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hemington (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 17:41
Could be breakout year for Max Clark.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 21:22
Toddy will wind 'em up and let 'em go.


With luck with injuries we could challenge the top two.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 21:45
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Boldangrey
With luck with injuries we could challenge the top two.

Not with the squad as it stands today.



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Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 21:58
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With luck with injuries we could challenge the top two.

Not with the squad as it stands today.


Leicester's squad is weaker and we performed well against Exeter.

Why not?

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 22:02
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With luck with injuries we could challenge the top two.

Not with the squad as it stands today.


Leicester's squad is weaker and we performed well against Exeter.

Why not?

Leicester's squad is weaker, how?

Our squad wasn't good enough last year and it hasn't been significantly improved.



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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
12 July, 2017 23:11
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Leicester's squad is weaker, how?

Bound to be weaker, George Ford has gone there! (Sm159)

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Our squad wasn't good enough last year and it hasn't been significantly improved.

Improved, yes, significantly improved, not yet!

 
Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 04:58
It's interesting that the bookies give us significantly shorter odds than the likes of Saints & Quins despite our lack of signings. If those gaps can be filled with the right players & soon maybe they are right. If we sign players we don't really need & not ones that we do those odds are generous in my view. Of course those teams might also make late signings.

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 07:05
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With luck with injuries we could challenge the top two.

Not with the squad as it stands today.


Leicester's squad is weaker and we performed well against Exeter.

Why not?

With Toomua, Logo and Manu now available? I don't think so.



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

 
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Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 07:13
We do have a proper pre season fixture schedule this year which will be vital preparation given the Tigers, Sarries, Saints scenario though we did win two of these last season. The gulf between the #1 and #2 picks for some positions is a worry given the big cup challenge and likely England/International call ups. I would take a top 6 finish this season and progession to the knock out stages of the Euro comp. Where are the new signings Todd?



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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 07:15
So the return of their injured players will make them stronger? Isn't that exactly what we are saying for us too? (Squad on paper vs squad available to play). For that reason we are stronger than last year, very obviously imho.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 07:37
Can't help but think that TB has given his list of required players, but whoever is in charge of getting them signed just isn't up to the job which leaves us short of class in some positions.



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Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 08:16
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So the return of their injured players will make them stronger? Isn't that exactly what we are saying for us too? (Squad on paper vs squad available to play). For that reason we are stronger than last year, very obviously imho.


+1

And how long will Manu Last?

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 08:27
We will have a whole front row that will feel like new signings this year!

Auterac, Walker & Thomas. All missed huge amounts of the last campaign!

They played just over 1000 mins between them. Which broken down is approx. 4 games each!

Funnily enough, when Thomas and Auterac were playing at the start of the season, we were winning consistently.

Then came a period of adjusting Lahiff to the otherside of the scrum, followed in January by a 15 match streak where neither Attwood or Garvey played! (06Jan to 15Apr)

Add to that a disaffected no.10 who has now left the club.

We do need some signings, yes - centre desperately. Other areas to keep the quality in the team during international periods, and to help bridge the gap to the top 4.

Yet our current squad is good enough to battle well this season. There is hope, even if masses of signings do not materialise.

And lets be realistic, any signings now are not likely to turn up now until November, once the SH season draws to a close.

Having luck with fitness through the season is key to any sucessful season. Having players such as Auterac, Walker, Thomas, Attwood and Garvey back in the match day squads will go a long way to turning our slide in performances back the other way.

Keep the faith guys.

Salmon

 
cb2
cb2 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 09:00
Sale Sharks at 250/1 looks like the value there. They could just about get into the top 4 and then you should be able to make some other bets to guarantee a win. Their starting 15 will be quite strong.

 
opti
Optimist (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 09:51
I would guess the 250/1 is on finishing 1st in season, excluding the play-offs?

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 09:58
Oddly, regular season winner for Sale on Betfair is 66/1. Grand final winner is 150/1.

150/1 might be a good trading bet if you can get it - but perhaps not surprisingly none of those bets are available on the Exchange.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 10:38
Skybet has them all, under 'Grand Final Winner 2018 - Win Outright'. Odds similar to those above.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 10:39
last year we came 5th with a similar squad and a new set of coaches, we were pretty rubbish, but the ones below us were worse.

If we sign a few key players and Todd is not useless, we should be top 4

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 10:48
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last year we came 5th with a similar squad and a new set of coaches, we were pretty rubbish, but the ones below us were worse.
If we sign a few key players and Todd is not useless, we should be top 4


I seem to recall we were pretty good until the injury crisis. Then the squad was too small too cope.

 
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cb2 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 10:48
Gloucester need a big season this year. They don't appear to have much of a plan.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 10:50
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cb2
Gloucester need a big season this year. They don't appear to have much of a plan.



(Sm152)

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 11:16
I agree with Bath Salmon and Boldngrey

Injuries allowing, I believe that we already have a squad capable of top 4 playing the style that Todd brought early last season. We have an eager new fly half and fired up flanker who will be keen to impress.

Todd has stated 6 or 7 target signings - I believe that he is finalising negotiations about now- should those arrive in time for the AIs and are of the same quality as last year, I think we have a very strong chance of playoffs.

PG



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Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 12:01
I was under the impression that HT was not fit ands not taking part in full pre-season which leaves us with ML who did a sterilng job last season, Shaun Knight who could be very good and then KPN who I really like but is simply not Premiership quality - so Yes we are really weak up front and our squad is weak throughout. People can flower it up but in several key areas we are lacking and by that I mean where the gulf in class is so great compared to the first choice player that it seriously impacts on the team.

 
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 13:22
The problem with an injury crisis is you don't know what positions it going to hit. It just doesn't seem feasible to have sufficient players in all positions in order for, say, four players in that position to get injured. You'd have something like 21 players in your front row alone, most of whom wouldn't get a game all season and wouldn't really be good enough if they did.

Someone said the other day that KPN isn't good enough for the AP. I'm not sure that is true, but if it were, then he's not adding depth to our squad, he's just taking up salary.

I don't think the players in our squad are the problem, number or quality, we're just not in that champions frame of mind at the moment. Without a truly exceptional coach I don't think there is a way of getting there quickly, we need to build to get there over years. That's why I'd rather we aimed to win something, however small, because it gets us started on that winning path.

I suspect we'll do what we've done so many years: focus on winning in the AP and HEC, not quite make it, not make any progress to doing so and repeat until we sack Todd, then start over again.

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 13:33
i just had a look to see if you can do it by position, I assumed front row and back row were the most impacted, found this:

A recent study by Best and associates during the 2003 Rugby World Cup confirms that open flankers, outside centers, and number 8s are the most commonly injured.

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 13:44
Having watched KPN over the years both at Bath and locally, he is a great lad, but it is obvious when you watch him in AP against decent opposition he is regularly under pressure and is often penalised. TB is a great coach and there is no way we should be pointing the finger at him or any of the other coaches. One of the real problems was Mike Ford and his complete disregard for the future of the club instead he bought into the instant success method.

I still believe TB & TM will pull in some resources and strengthen the squad. Hope injury to MB is not that serious.

 
HamishMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 17:22
Personally I don't think our starting XV is weaker than any teams above or below us in the Prem. Our issues come with the strength in depth in some key or specialist positions. Presuming that our starting strongest team with replacements named after the / is something along the lines of;

Catt / Auterac
Dunn / Batty
Thomas / Knight
Charteris / Ewels
Attwood / Stooke
Garvey / Ellis
Louw / Underhill
Faletau / Z Mercer

Fotuali'i / Cook
Burns / Priestland
Watson / Banners
Tapuai / ??
JJ / Clark
Roko / Brew
Homer / ??

For me the pack has strength in second and back rows. But front row, centres and certain positions in the backs we are weak still.

 
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 17:50
Walker at hooker will feel like a new signing, we are yet to see the best of faletau who is a real star and I'd say we have at least 3/4 yet to be announced as well as the return of Thomas, auterac, Atwood (to his usual self), Dunn, lahiff etc. Not to mention academy boys like Clarke, who I really like, obano and people like homer who I reckon could develop on a similar trajectory to the likes of maunder and Townsend at chiefs who, with faith placed in them, have had cracking seasons. Maunder especially being called up to England, and being a year younger than homer, shows that placing faith in the correct youngsters is not always overly optimistic and can pay dividends. Have faith in the coaches, hope for a correctly bolstered squad and I'd say we're definitely in with a shout!

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 19:26
Watson is the second FB Big Dog - Todd has said he definitely sees him there for Bath. Jack Wilson should be on that list somewhere.

The second row is weaker than you think, there is Levi and that leaves little room for injuries when Charteris and Attwood are regularly injured. Particularly when they are regularly subbed and we are fighting on so many fronts.

 
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Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 19:53
Garvey can cover SR amply

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 19:54
Plus Stooke was very impressive last season.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 20:00
Aren't Garvey and Stooke both 5s?

I guess what I am asking is whether we are really happy with Charteris (who is regularly injured) and Ewels (who could well be away with England) being our No.4 options for 80 mins of all cup games, euro games, prem games etc across the season? Maybe throw in a few A league games for good measure?!

Maybe its just me then! (Sm54)

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 20:07
Ewels played well in Argentina, but I think he's unlikely to seriously be above 5th in the pecking order.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 20:15
Another bit of good news to add to the feel good factor on here right now - Louw played all last season for us with a torn labrum - cartilage attached to the shoulder socket.

He's had surgery on it now - hence he wasn't up for Springbok selection this summer.

He's now had his first summer off of rugby for 6 years! And his first real preseason with the club! (Mental!)

Admittedly he says he still wants to play in the Rugby Championship and AIs, so may not be available for us till December.

Yet, there's no guarantee he'll be picked at 32 yrs old. The springboks might want to move forward now.

But a fully fit and firing Louw is something to get excited about in my book!

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
13 July, 2017 21:29
Kolisi looked great against France. Not sure that Louw will push him out.



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Tomato Soup
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Re: next season prospects
14 July, 2017 16:41
Its important that we get off to a good start and create some momentum.

Lack of signings is a worry at the moment and I have it from a fellow supporter that Blackadder has spending all summer teaching the guys to run support lines All Black style.

I am pretty pessimistic about next season though I am relieved that we no longer have the Burgess / Ford clouds hanging over us and do they its darkest just before dawn.

 
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Re: next season prospects
14 July, 2017 17:37
Just to reset expectations a little, my spies tell me that at the BRSC AGM Tarquin was apparently playing down the prospect of "6 or 7" signings and suggesting more like "2 or 3".

That we could do with better cover at 3, 9 and maybe 12 seems obvious, but the reality is that last season was such a perfect storm of problems, some self inflicted, some not, that it's difficult to come to any firm conclusion about the relative strength of our squad, though my hunch is we're still vying for top 4.

 
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Re: next season prospects
14 July, 2017 17:45
I can't imagine we'll start well, quite a few players are coming back from injury. JJ, Watson and Faletau will probably be rested and our backline wouldn't have had too much time to bond. On the upside, we also get some tough matches out the way and will allow us to build momentum in the second half of the season.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
14 July, 2017 17:46
I still think the 6-7 quote would have included the re-signings of the likes of Grant et al, and probably the academy upgrades as well; which never left as much room for incomers as many were hoping for - not to mention the generalised lack of need (IMO) for many incomers.
Quite honestly, midfield is the only place I can really see space for an extra body; increasing quality at THP/SH would probably necessitate letting someone else go - probably someone who's only just signed a new contract!



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Ali1969
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 10:19
GRUMPYDAVE'S comments are the type that worry me, if true that shows the mistrust already developing between the coaches (who have played and know the what it needs to succeed) and the business men Tarquin (Only interested in what it costs and how much profit he can make).

SORRY RANT TIME:::

In successful clubs such as Saracens, Wasps & Leicester (although they have had their own trials and tribulations) it shows that when the business men really want their club to succeed they listen and take in what their coaches are saying to them.

Here we have a very obvious case of a top quality coach who has assessed his new club over a season and has said - I need 6/7 new players and no doubt he has said what type of player he is after and what position in order to compete. The Managing Director has obviously looked at this and thought - Wow this is going to cost we will do what all business people do we will halve what they are asking.

THIS IS OUR CLUB - IF A TOP COACH WHO YOU HAVE TRAVELLED HALF WAY ROUND THE WORLD TO HEAD HUNT AND THEN BROUGHT IN HAS ASKED YOU FOR WHAT HE NEEDS - AND NO DOUBT WHEN CHASING HIS SIGNATURE HE WAS PROMISED THE WORLD!! THEN LISTEN TO HIM. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LEARN PEOPLE LIKE TARQUIN MACDONALD ARE MONEY MEN AND SHOULD NEVER BE PUT IN CHARGE OF RECRUITMENT.

Read all about our Managing Director on Linked in - No rugby experience - Finance manager and all things financial....Perfect to take us forward - yes you need a sound financial basis but you must listen to the people in the know..... WAKE UP BATH OR WE MIGHT (GOD I HOPE NOT) FIND OURSELVES IN A DIFFERENT BATTLE THIS YEAR NAMELY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE - especially if we pick up our usual injuries...

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 10:24
Not sure that anyone has said it was related to finances? I wish people would just wait to see what actually happens or for Todd to say something about it) before jumping to conclusions.

 
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 10:35
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THIS IS OUR CLUB - IF A TOP COACH WHO YOU HAVE TRAVELLED HALF WAY ROUND THE WORLD TO HEAD HUNT AND THEN BROUGHT IN HAS ASKED YOU FOR WHAT HE NEEDS - AND NO DOUBT WHEN CHASING HIS SIGNATURE HE WAS PROMISED THE WORLD!! THEN LISTEN TO HIM. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO LEARN PEOPLE LIKE TARQUIN MACDONALD ARE MONEY MEN AND SHOULD NEVER BE PUT IN CHARGE OF RECRUITMENT.

Read all about our Managing Director on Linked in - No rugby experience - Finance manager and all things financial....Perfect to take us forward - yes you need a sound financial basis but you must listen to the people in the know..... WAKE UP BATH OR WE MIGHT (GOD I HOPE NOT) FIND OURSELVES IN A DIFFERENT BATTLE THIS YEAR NAMELY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE - especially if we pick up our usual injuries...

Thanks for the input but I do feel that the last paragraph is unnecessarily alarmist, it might be the difference between 4 and 6th but bottom of the league??

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 10:39
TB said he wanted 6/7 players, now it appears that Tarquin doesn't want to give the coach what he asked for.

Tarquin clearly isn't the right man for succes on the pitch if he's not doing what the coach wants.

How on earth did he get appointed when he knows nothing about professional sport?



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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 11:31
This is a ridiculous assessment of Tarquin MacDonald without any foundation of truth apart from a superficial glance at LinkedIn. We don't know what this 6/7 requirement was based on. It may well have included those who have now been signed on full contracts. If we are talking about now 2/3 is all we need - no more than that - but they have to be in the right positions. I am totally confident that TB & TM are singing from the same hymn sheet.

 
Ali1969
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 11:35
Sorry guys if my last comments stirred up some emotions and some deem my comments alarmist. I call what I see - if a coach comes out and publicly states he is looking for 6/7 players and a managing director says at am AGM that he is only expecting 2/3 players then maybe I am missing something but there appears to be discrepancies.

Good news in he Chronicle that Craig Mitchell is joining but again not announced by the club and the article itself sounds like clutching at straws.

BathMatt53 I generally agree with your posts which are level headed but if we wait to see what happens we'll hat should apply to the Chronicle then as well as they appear fed up with the situation and are publishing stories of players who they believe may have signed.

I am sorry guys and shipwrecked but with other clubs strengthening all time 6th place maybe a battle, our back up players are not as strong as other clubs and a lot have come up from the academy and are still learning their trade. Not doom and gloom but an observation.

 
Ali1969
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 12:05
Bathhammer sorry but we do know that our head coach came out publicly and said he is looking to bring 6/7 new faces/players in, he academy players are already at the club and often trainning if not with the first team squad then alongside them, so sorry I do not buy into an intelligent man saying new faces/players but really referring to players who are already st the club!

As for my comments on TM they are as written on LinkedIn and if false then TM can and should have had them removed.

I am a life long Bath supporter having grown up and lived in the city al my life as a boy I remember going to the Rec when it was free to watch the likes of Ronnie Hakim etc before Bath hit the big time when they were playing the likes of Cinderford send Berry Hill and bring well beaten by them as well. All I want is transparency, when we were successful under Rowell etc there was transparency. Now if you call this transparency wel I am lost and clearly the local paper has lost patience Ruth Bath Rugby and it's transfer policy by printing articles about players it believes have signed but for some reason the club has made no comment.

Sorry for the long post guys but I feel that Imam having to defend myself for comments that I have made.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 15:00
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Sorry guys if my last comments stirred up some emotions and some deem my comments alarmist. I call what I see - if a coach comes out and publicly states he is looking for 6/7 players and a managing director says at am AGM that he is only expecting 2/3 players then maybe I am missing something but there appears to be discrepancies.
Good news in he Chronicle that Craig Mitchell is joining but again not announced by the club and the article itself sounds like clutching at straws.

BathMatt53 I generally agree with your posts which are level headed but if we wait to see what happens we'll hat should apply to the Chronicle then as well as they appear fed up with the situation and are publishing stories of players who they believe may have signed.

I am sorry guys and shipwrecked but with other clubs strengthening all time 6th place maybe a battle, our back up players are not as strong as other clubs and a lot have come up from the academy and are still learning their trade. Not doom and gloom but an observation.

No need to apologise at all Ali, I hope we get some big signings but I do get the feeling that the club are looking not just for top blokes but blokes that get alon and play as a team.

If TB has been coaching supporting lines that to me seems to say he is thinking team play, that I like a lot.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 15:45
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

Quote at the time: "Todd Blackadder has revealed that he would like to bring in six or seven new players, including what he hinted would be two “key” signings."

We've brought in 4 players to the academy, Phillips to cover the Ellis injury and now Mitchell.

Which would leave 2/3 slots to fill. So Tarquin is not exactly changing the tune of what was previously said.

Two "key" signings would always likely to be the last, especially if from the SH. There is nothing wrong with adding depth to the squad with the players we have already signed.

Two "key" signings, well one should at least be in the centre, which is what we all are calling for.

There is plenty of time left for this to be announced.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 15:49
And to add to my last post, our squad is already as big as most of our rivals, to expect 6/7 quality signings is unrealistic - 2/3 is not.

 
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hemington (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 17:13
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I am sorry guys and shipwrecked but with other clubs strengthening all time 6th place maybe a battle, our back up players are not as strong as other clubs and a lot have come up from the academy and are still learning their trade. Not doom and gloom but an observation.


Are you including Exeter in this. How 'strong' are their backup players - particulalrly when signed?

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 18:10
Don't get me wrong Ali I am as eager for news as the next supporter. Just because they haven't told us doesn't mean they don't have people lined up though imho. I reserve judgement until we see who comes in, both on squad balance and league position. It seems like they will be S.H. based on the lack of info thus far...

 
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 18:17
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I am sorry guys and shipwrecked .....

Ali, any suggestions on how I get to be "one of the guys"??

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 18:49
Never, loser! (..runs around the back and de-bags SW while 'the guys' laugh at his expense...)

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 20:18
Don't worry SW. I'll be your friend!

 
DanWiley
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 20:25
One thought, Ford aside, where are we weaker than the year we finalists?

Certainly not in squad size, I can see areas of improvement, 12 is weak but I don't see that being argued.

I don't think it's the players that are the problem.

 
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 20:35
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Don't worry SW. I'll be your friend!

Thanks BnG, I knew I could rely on you!

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Never, loser! (..runs around the back and de-bags SW while 'the guys' laugh at his expense...)

Matt, I always had you down for the prankster! I'll have to take special care at the Forum Christmas party. (Sm108)

 
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 20:45
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One thought, Ford aside, where are we weaker than the year we finalists?
Certainly not in squad size, I can see areas of improvement, 12 is weak but I don't see that being argued.

I don't think it's the players that are the problem.

Front row I think. That year we crushed teams in the scrums etc and gave Stringer the opportunity to get that ball out in the way that he loved. Haven't been as dominant up front since imho.

Of course that was also a year that Sarries, Exe and Wasps came 4th-6th so it could be argued that they have moved forward faster than us, Tigers and saints). Staying still isn't really an option as the latter 3 have shown.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
15 July, 2017 20:58
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Don't worry SW. I'll be your friend!

Thanks BnG, I knew I could rely on you!

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Never, loser! (..runs around the back and de-bags SW while 'the guys' laugh at his expense...)

Matt, I always had you down for the prankster! I'll have to take special care at the Forum Christmas party. (Sm108)


SW you're on the list for the Old Prostates RFC Christmas Extravaganza.

'Just remember, you can always trust a man who tucks his shirt in his underpants.' John Major

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
18 July, 2017 20:16
Five reasons to be cheerful

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As others have said, I would add Max Clark to that group - looking forward to a big season from him.

 
Tiger in the Bath
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Re: next season prospects
19 July, 2017 12:22
Having Burns all season rather than Ford for half of the season is a potential match day improvement measured across the whole season I think, improves the chances of finishing top 4.

 
DanWiley
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Re: next season prospects
19 July, 2017 13:08
I'd say it possibly increase our chances of getting to the top 4, decreases our chances when there. Given our back up I don't think it will help that much.

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
19 July, 2017 13:54
Back up for Burns is Priestland.

Not good enough ??????

 
DanWiley
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Re: next season prospects
19 July, 2017 15:22
Well quite. When Ford wasn't here we had Rhys to back up, that doesn't seem that much worse than having Burns all season.

 
BathPatriot
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Re: next season prospects
20 July, 2017 23:05
Not good, 9th if we are lucky.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 07:06
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Not good, 9th if we are lucky.

Maybe not as low as 9th, but as Bruce/Tarquin haven't delivered on the transfer market 4th is beyond us. To be honest that doesn't bother me too much as there's no point getting top 4 just to make up the numbers.



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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 07:10
Based on the poor coaching and the fact that most of our terrible players are ready for the knackers yard I think that we will be lucky to even make to pitch let alone score any actual points this season. I predict a living hell.

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 07:51
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Based on the poor coaching and the fact that most of our terrible players are ready for the knackers yard I think that we will be lucky to even make to pitch let alone score any actual points this season. I predict a living hell.

That's a little too optimistic for this board!

To be honest I'm not even sure why we are bothering giving these players professional contracts!

Maybe for preseason our squad should have been taken to Exeter to clean their boots?

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 08:02
They would have to fight past BoB first...

 
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BathSalmon (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 08:06
To be fair they would only be there to 'make up the numbers' with BoB 1st in the queue, so what's the point!?

 
Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 08:19
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Based on the poor coaching and the fact that most of our terrible players are ready for the knackers yard I think that we will be lucky to even make to pitch let alone score any actual points this season. I predict a living hell.


BREAKING NEWS 1:

SAGA HAVE OFFERED CONTRACTS TO 3 OF OUR PLAYERS!



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Boldangrey
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Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 08:21
BREAKING NEWS 2:

DYSON HAVE CANCELLED THEIR SPONSORSHIP DEAL. FORTUNATELY HELP THE AGED HAVE COME IN WITH A RESCUE PLAN.

 
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BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
21 July, 2017 08:44
every cloud BnG...

 
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woodpecker (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
01 August, 2017 10:16
I predict, 5th. Hope for 4th, then get to the final.

I got a £5 each way bet (1st/2nd), £130 if we win!

Obviously with our bunch of clapped out losers we wont, but it all adds to the fun.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: next season prospects
01 August, 2017 14:55
We will have to battle for 6th as other sides like Newcastle, Sale and Quins have strengthened, and IMO for TB & TM's first full season with a proper preseason, getting players to lock into their playing plans and rebuilding team spirit (after the hiatus over a departing flyhalf) etc. that would be a good result. To expect anything more with a pack lacking an experienced couple of bruisers, including a top rated tight head, and relying on youngsters barely out of the Academy for injury/international calls, leaves to many 'gaps' to fill/cover IMO.

Anything better than 6th would be really good but I think this season, it is a stretch to far.

Time will tell. Look forward to reading others predictions and reasons why.

 
HamishMilner
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Re: next season prospects
01 August, 2017 14:56
3rd/4th is my hope (if we sign at least one more midfielder). Leicester and Wasps are both catchable imo.

Wasps have an incredibly leeky defence even though they have a great offence and they have only really made signings in their squad to cover where others have left. e.g. Juan de Jongh replaces Beale - except is not nearly as good.
If they have a little less fortune than last year - the number of games they won with a try near the death which could have gone either way - and we have a little more - the number of games we lost near the death - then I see no reason why if we played to our full potential all season that we could not compete with them. It is based on a lot of luck with Wasps faltering I should mention which I don't expect them to do much!

Leicester we should definitely have been higher than last year but our boy Freddie really inspired them at the end of the year whilst Ford couldn't be asked!

Sarries and Exeter are too consistent for me for us to catch but Sarries may struggle with the number of Lions who are going to be late entries to the season for them - plus they will lose more during Autumn Internationals and 6 Nations so is not beyond impossible!

 
P G Tips
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Re: next season prospects
01 August, 2017 15:10
BD

I suspect that Ford was "asked", but did not respond as hoped! Like the pun though!

PG



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Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Re: next season prospects
01 August, 2017 16:36
We need to plot our way into the Top 4 just like Sarries and Wasps have done in previous seasons and once there play knock out rugby to maximum effect. I don't think we will have the resources to fight on all fronts so would prioritise the premiership and sacrifice big cup progress from the group stage to achieve that. I doubt there are many Bath fans who honestly believe we will win the big EU cup this season though the AWC would be a welcome trophy in our rather dusty cabinet - not long now...



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