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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 13:36
Here's hoping the expansion of the PRO12 brings about the prompt demise of the Anglo-Welsh and we can replace it with an old fashioned proper knock-out cup competition with a final at HQ.
I think it should involve Championship and Nat Div1 teams as well as Premiership. The 16 Div 1 teams could play off in a couple of preliminary rounds to get them down to 4 where they would be joined by the 12 Championship teams in Round 1 proper. By the 3rd round those 16 would be reduced to 4 where the 12 Premiership teams would join in. Rounds 3,QF,SF could be played during the 6N so if the Premiership teams continued to put out B teams it would give the Championship teams a chance.



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Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 13:51
Yep!

Let's have a good old cup competition, a good old league competition and do away with the premiership play offs.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 15:13
No, scrap it completely, they already play too much. The cup is dead because European competition has replaced and improved it.

 
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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 15:22
It's 2 or 3 games less than they currently play in the AW.



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Recwatcher
Recwatcher (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 16:11
A cup competition is long overdue with Championship sides desperately needing the player and commercial exposure to the Premiership.
The AIs and 6N Windows are the obvious periods for scheduling - perhaps premiership sides could also be limited by numbers of academy or age related players making up the majority of match day squads too.

 
HamishMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 16:42
I completely agree with this. An FA cup (but smaller naturally) style rugby competition that gives Nat 1 and Championship teams and players some coverage would be great!

Those teams would then be better known and be able to have greater followings and revenue when they do make step ups in league and the players also have greater chances to move up to better teams from exposure against the AP teams which can only be for the good of English rugby where there are tons of great unfound talents still I am sure!

 
sid the seagull
sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
20 July, 2017 23:42
Hasta as a silent gleaner of your posts this time you are way off.
Yes bring it on, sudden death is so galvanising and intriguing.
Who can forget the mighty Waterloo?
Although talking of sudden death the introduction of amateur/semi-pro teams into the rounds would have to be very very carefully managed e.g. Waterloo v Bath would no longer be safe.
However Jayate well said!

FLAPHOP

 
ade1865
Ade1865 (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
21 July, 2017 06:08
Have to agree with Hasta on this one, partly as there are already too many games and partly because any such competition will result in enforced or voluntary restrictions on top players appearing which would devalue the whole competition.

 
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JimDaff (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
21 July, 2017 08:40
The knockout cup could work, if there were some criteria to give players at lower clubs a fighting chance such as no internationals were allowed to play or only EQP we're eligible. Keep it as a bit of a development tournament like the Anglo-Welsh is but concentrate on developing English players...

 
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jayeatman (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
21 July, 2017 09:15
Now there's an idea: EQP players only! We could call it the Brexit Cup!

Seriously though, if it were held during the AI/6N that might have enough of a leveling effect to give the Championship teams a sniff at least.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
21 July, 2017 09:20
The trouble with fewer games is it means less money and fewer games for us to watch. I'm not sure player welfare stand much chance under that pressure.

Personally, taking player welfare out of it, I'd like a knock out. It would give the smaller clubs a bit of time in the sun and their player exposure to a higher level of rugby. There is something more interesting about a knockout. A league is the best way of finding the best team over a season, but is a bit drawn out, a knockout finds the team with the best "big day" ability, its a great thing, but we don't consider them champions. Our league plus playoff system compromises both of those ideas badly. Knock outs throw up surprises and giant killings, where as a league is almost designed to even out that interest.

Having both seems like a good thing.

I don't particularly like the pool then knock out format. Some teams are kept in the thing way beyond their ability then the end curtails other teams that I often feel have something to add. They too seem a compromise demanded be finance rather than sport.A pool comp where your competing against teams not in your pool always struck me as an odd but fascinating qwerk. More interesting in some ways than the straight up pool comp.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Bring back a proper English Cup Competition
21 July, 2017 10:02
Have it as an u23 competition. Or a mid-week extension of the A league. Fine. But 22+2 league and 6+3 European games is already on the edge of reason.


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