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john fox
johnnyf (IP Logged)

"Unavailable for Selection"
01 November, 2017 22:22
How this term has grown in significance over the past couple of seasons.
Until recently this was never officially reported - perhaps to avoid giving the opposition unnecessary information about team strength.

This weekend a combination of:
Being away on International duty,
Suffering long-term injuries,
Bans (whether merited or not),

I calculate that 19 first team members are indeed "Unavailable for Selection".

This situation robs the paying customer of seeing these players perform - in some cases for very long periods, and disrupts the creativity of building a consistant team ethos.

Is this just unfortunate and a product of the modern game or should it be a subject for serious consideration?

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
01 November, 2017 22:27
Hey, it's an anglo-welsh game, I imagine half the fans are suddenly 'unavailable for selection'.

 
dcsh
dcsh (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
02 November, 2017 06:58
Do other clubs report this too? I canít say I browse their websites for teams, so havenít seen.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
02 November, 2017 07:56
Some do, most don't.
IIRC we were the first to do so last year; but that could be that I just hadn't been paying attention



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P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
02 November, 2017 11:23
Quote:
johnnyf

Is this just unfortunate and a product of the modern game or should it be a subject for serious consideration?

Both Johnny I think. Most clubs suffer from it, so finding out why and limiting the impact is a matter for the game at large as well as the clubs.

For example - are recent law changes, conditioning methods, refereeing styles or the sheer volume of games (including short turn rounds) the cause?

If any of those are they can be addressed. IMHO they should be for the sake of the game as much as the spectator.

PG



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sid the seagull
sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
02 November, 2017 22:01
PG I agree with your thrust.
At the mo it benefits teams to have chaps of 16stones or more in every position. Boring.
So, gone is the variation in contribution, cos there is no need for fat blokes who don't go backwards in scrums but in compensation aren't required to run around much.
Conversely the thin speedy artistic types aren't needed because there's no space anywhere anyway.
Q. If that's the problem how do you solve it?
A. Change The Laws so that any player whose shirt number is in double figures should be banned from being in any ruck or maul at any time ever.
Sorted.
This is not entirely in jest.

HOP

 
ballsout
ballsout (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 00:53
Quote:
sid the seagull
PG I agree with your thrust.
At the mo it benefits teams to have chaps of 16stones or more in every position. Boring.
So, gone is the variation in contribution, cos there is no need for fat blokes who don't go backwards in scrums but in compensation aren't required to run around much.
Conversely the thin speedy artistic types aren't needed because there's no space anywhere anyway.
Q. If that's the problem how do you solve it?
A. Change The Laws so that any player whose shirt number is in double figures should be banned from being in any ruck or maul at any time ever.
Sorted.
This is not entirely in jest.

HOP

(Sm147) wtf

 
benjbath
benjbath (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 01:41
Cheslin Kolbe, Telusa Veianu, Gio Aplon, Kyle eastmond, Damian mckenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Charlie walker, Christian wade..?

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 04:00
Quote:
benjbath
Cheslin Kolbe, Telusa Veianu, Gio Aplon, Kyle eastmond, Damian mckenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder, Charlie walker, Christian wade..?

Umm..your boys took a hell of a beating?



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 07:25
Backs hitting rucks often leads to quick ball the quicker players can exploit.

People have lamented that new laws on lower tackles make it harder for bigger, less mobile players, they find it harder to go lower... Seems good.

 
john fox
johnnyf (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 11:51
Yes - confirmed 19 unavailable this weekend.
Only Garvey and Banahan of any reasonable qualification as leaders in the squad announced.
Is this going to provide results/entertainment/purpose?

This is not much more than, if any more than, a United team being given a run out for those coming back from injury and youngsters.

I'm afraid that I cannot see this as a promotion for the Bath Brand.

 
P G Tips
P G Tips (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
03 November, 2017 12:11
What the lawmakers need to do is restore the space in the game to allow running rugby.

The best way to do this is to create a breakdown which requires the majority of forwards on both sides to commit. The breakdown needs to be deep enough for "back foot" to be more than a foot or two away from opposition so that there is a genuine separation between attacker and defender when the ball emerges.

This needs to be supported by proper policing of the offside line to allow a true "no man's land" between team in possession and defending team when the scrum half gets the ball.

This should reduce the number of collision between the largest players clogging up the midfield and reduce the need for teams to batter their way forward as the main means of progress- so reducing injury and increasing spectacle and entertainment.

PG



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sid the seagull
sid the seagull (IP Logged)

Re: "Unavailable for Selection"
04 November, 2017 20:14
Well done PG we agree and you get the point.
Ballsout sadly you see only what you see.
Not anything else, was or could be.

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