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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 09:53
The squad has just been announced:

Sam Underhill starts, Roko on the bench, but Farrell rested so Slade starts at IC!

England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes

Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:07
Well, that's a little bit more exciting. Roko for Brown (Daly to fb) and I'd have really started salivating!

Can't wait to see how Ford and Slade get on, especially with Underhill at 7 to make the links a bit quicker.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:13
Opti, on the radio last night Ugo Moyne was raving about the backs training in Portugal, interestingly, though probably as a result of injuries Eddie played JJ on the wing!

Eddie does spring surprises, he implores Slade to play at 13 then picks him at 12.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:17
JJ on the wing .... so Eddie does listen to me after all!

Poor old Slade! He's going to play brilliantly at 12 - and JJ will benefit from that. Then Faz will come back in and Slade will go back to the bench. Be interesting to see - if Slade at 12 does work - whether Eddie will try Faz/Slade as an option.

I can see England winning this by a big score.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:20
Very lively looking squad - could be in for quite a game on Saturday.

Great to see Underhill get a start- with some old hands around him to assist.

With Dunn, Ewels and (probably) Mercer available to us for the AIs period, but getting exposure to this level, Bath can do well out of Eddie's choices this autumn.

PG

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:37
No rest for Watson?



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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 10:55
Interesting choices - and combinations so good luck to all of those just starting on senior international careers!



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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:01
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JJ on the wing .... so Eddie does listen to me after all!
Poor old Slade! He's going to play brilliantly at 12 - and JJ will benefit from that. Then Faz will come back in and Slade will go back to the bench. Be interesting to see - if Slade at 12 does work - whether Eddie will try Faz/Slade as an option.

I can see England winning this by a big score.

JJ and Slade in the centre. Watson and Daly on the wings?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:13
I guess it related to this:

"Ugo Moyne was raving about the backs training in Portugal, interestingly, though probably as a result of injuries Eddie played JJ on the wing! "

If that's the case then the whole backs look different so I'm not taking it as meaning much. Also, just Eddie.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:16
Personally I would like to see Watson at full back with Roko on the wing.

Slade is a class act and a top footballer who is able to read a game and set up others around him or kick for position. I can see him becoming a fixture at 12 with Farrell at 10, and JJ thriving outside him.

Going to be interesting and see if Mako's scrummaging has improved. Genge, whose scrum work has really improved, and Harry Williams with George are the future.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:22
Which TV channel/provider is it on?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:32
Interesting to see our side play when we are missing our 3 World Class players in Billy, Itoje and Faz. Williams and Genge have their supporters and now have their chance to prove it.

We never seem to hit the ground running, so I think a tough 65 minutes followed by 15 minutes when we sneak ahead by a couple of scores.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:36
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Personally I would like to see Watson at full back with Roko on the wing.
Slade is a class act and a top footballer who is able to read a game and set up others around him or kick for position. I can see him becoming a fixture at 12 with Farrell at 10, and JJ thriving outside him.

Going to be interesting and see if Mako's scrummaging has improved. Genge, whose scrum work has really improved, and Harry Williams with George are the future.

I think if Nowell and May were fit, we might have seen Watson at full back but, they are not and i don't think Roko will start until the Samoa game.

I like Slade at 12 and hope he goes well, as for Mako his scrummaging has improved a long time ago and i don't get the scrummaging concerns anymore, they were there to start his career, they are not there anymore.

I wish he was rested though but i guess Marler being a knob and getting himself stopped that, Mako plays a ridiculous amount of minutes for a prop and his Knee injury last year was a kind of warning shot.

I am happy he rested Faz and Itoje especially, this is going to be Itoje's third straight week on the reconditioning programme without playing any rugby and i expect his only start and game to be next week. He has played way too many minutes of rugby this season and he played 34 games last year, a lot o those games 80 minutes and barely had an offseason Eddie has been very good and smart not letting him have full contact training or play this week and by the end of the autumn, he would have had 4 weeks without playing rugby in total.

Resting Faz also allows him look at Loz and Slade at 12 so all around a great selection and also Faz needs the rest

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:50
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DanWiley
I guess it related to this:
"Ugo Moyne was raving about the backs training in Portugal, interestingly, though probably as a result of injuries Eddie played JJ on the wing! "

If that's the case then the whole backs look different so I'm not taking it as meaning much. Also, just Eddie.

The radio content was interesting, Moyne was saying he was impressed by the way the backs ran a whole range of angles and ploys, all at pace, all with precision, With only a few mistakes. The backs mentioned were Youngs, Farrell, Ford, Slade, JJ, Lozowski, Watson, Brown, (I think Daly). The impression was that there was a degree of interchangeability. Is Eddie going "total rugby"?

Other comment was that WG's attemtpt to reproduce the Lions backs format at short notices was fraught with danger in that it takes time to implement.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:51
[www.skysports.com] Sky Sports Main Event (whatever that is)

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 11:54
Over the moon for Rocco! Hope he gets a decent run out

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 12:54
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Over the moon for Rocco! Hope he gets a decent run out

That goes for me too Bb...



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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 13:03
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Over the moon for Rocco! Hope he gets a decent run out

That goes for me too Bb...

+100

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 13:12
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Over the moon for Rocco! Hope he gets a decent run out

That goes for me too Bb...

+100

+ another 100, if he gets a decent go it it he'll score!

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 13:16
Obviously different players are motivated in different ways, but for all the public artificial dropping of JJ for 'form' reasons Daly has stunk this season and no one has mentioned it.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 13:51
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Obviously different players are motivated in different ways, but for all the public artificial dropping of JJ for 'form' reasons Daly has stunk this season and no one has mentioned it.

Daly has done nothing at centre this season and Eddie persists in playing him on the wing.

Confusion + + +

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 14:44
Possibly more excited about the impact the bench can make in this game, especially now Simmonds has been called up for Curry.

A lot of forceful ball carriers to come on!



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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 14:51
I can imagine Daly turning into one of those players who is better for England than his club. In a way, that makes a nice change, because England used to be specialists at turning players who were on fire for their clubs into garbage.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 15:54
The computer predicted score for this game is: England 38 Argentina 21. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us how we let in 3 tries?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 16:13
Argentina

1 Garcia Botta
2 Creevy
3 Tetaz Chaparro
4 Alemanno
5 Lavanini
6 Matera
7 Kremer
8 Lezana
9 Landajo
10 Hernandez
11 Boffellli
12 Gonzalez
13 Moroni
14 Moyano
15 Tuculet

16 Montoya
17 Noguera
18 Pieretto
19 Macome
20 Senatore
21 Bertranou
22 Sanchez
23 Cancellere

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 16:52
That is a monster pack from Argentina and they are playing Kremer who is a lock in the back row. I think they want to win their ball at the break down and probably target the England line out and scrum. The shortest person in that back five is 6'2 with the others all 6'4 and up. Going to be an interesting contrast of styles

 
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Re: England v Argentina
09 November, 2017 19:49
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That is a monster pack from Argentina and they are playing Kremer who is a lock in the back row. I think they want to win their ball at the break down and probably target the England line out and scrum. The shortest person in that back five is 6'2 with the others all 6'4 and up. Going to be an interesting contrast of styles

I wouldn't have known them from Adam so thanks for that intel Bs

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 00:12
Pretty sure Kramer has played a lot at 7, he played there for their u20ís in the junior World Cup last season and was literally a man against boys although heís only 19.

I can see a lot of big forwards (and backs!) running down our 10/12 channel, I expect Underhill will be there to cover George Fordís weak D.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 08:26
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Pretty sure Kramer has played a lot at 7, he played there for their u20ís in the junior World Cup last season and was literally a man against boys although heís only 19.
I can see a lot of big forwards (and backs!) running down our 10/12 channel, I expect Underhill will be there to cover George Fordís weak D.

Agree JD, worries me a bit that Underhill throws himself into tackles whatever the consequences. With all these big Argentinians charging towards him I can see a HIA on the horizon.

It seems impossible to tackle safely nowadays, with double tackling only one player gets the safe side and face on low tackling is just a jumble of knees and elbows.

It won't diminish his enthusiasm one bit though!

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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 08:48
Isn't it pretty normal for a 7 to support the 10/12 channel?

"low tackling is just a jumble of knees and elbows"

Where are your elbows? I can see some players get this wrong, but knees actually move in a pretty predictable way if you're running at any pace. Hit the middle 1/3rd and I don't really see much of a problem.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 08:52
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Isn't it pretty normal for a 7 to support the 10/12 channel?
"low tackling is just a jumble of knees and elbows"

Where are your elbows? I can see some players get this wrong, but knees actually move in a pretty predictable way if you're running at any pace. Hit the middle 1/3rd and I don't really see much of a problem.

My point is Dan that is fine if you have a choice, where do you go if your mate has already pinched that soft third?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 10:20
Isn't the second player aiming to prevent the offload rather than arrest them, his tackle will be different and it seems increasingly illegal.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 10:26
I've wanted a backline similar to this since the World Cup so am glad it is finally on its way. Slade may be a long term option at 12 for me given his ability to carry up strongly through contact as well as obviously free up space for others with his running, passing, kicking integrated game.

JJ needs that sort of running threat inside of him to open up spaces for himself and I have not been sure Farrell offers that too much from 12 as good as he has been there.

Will be interesting what happens long term at 10 if Slade were to go and make the 12 shirt his own does that mean Ford or Farrell will be an exceptional bench option? Do you start with Farrell and bring on Ford to open up a game or start with Ford and bring on Farrell to close out a game??



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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 10:57
I don't think this will be the backline for the six nations and this backline will be tested by the two 17 stone plus centers the wallabies have next weekend.

There is no way Farrell will be on the bench, not only is he the goal kicker and vice captain and possibly potential captain for 2019. He is probably the first name on the team sheet so i highly doubt JJ or slade will be ahead of him. I still think slade/jj/tuilagi and te'o are all playing for one or potentially two spots depending on what happens with Ford but Faz will be in the 15

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 11:00
Yes, good questions BD, I think Eddie is aiming for a pool of midfield players that can replace each other for tactical or injury reasons.

That seems to fit with the Portugal training camp observations by Moyne.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 12:02
If Slade were to make the 12 jersey his own then it would cost Ford his starting place. There is simply no way you wouldn't start Farrell, partly for his goal kicking, but also his game management and defence. he has also improved his attacking play massively in the last 12 months.

I think it's a huge shame that yet another test is wasted on Mike Brown. How scary to the opposition would May, Rokko & Watson be?!

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 12:08
Farrell will 100% start against Australia (unless he picks up an injury). Question is whether Slade or JJ accompanies him in the centres.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 12:14
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Isn't it pretty normal for a 7 to support the 10/12 channel?

Support yes but itís a bit of a stretch for cover all the fly halves tackles! Iíve had a 10 say to me in the past that he wasnít going to make any tackles so I had better be there, it wasnít the most enjoyable afternoon Iíve spent on a rugby pitch...

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 12:16
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Farrell will 100% start against Australia (unless he picks up an injury). Question is whether Slade or JJ accompanies him in the centres.

Not saying you are wrong but why Hasta, if EJ's Argentina backline rips it up why wouldn't he try it against top line opposition?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 12:46
I guess it would suffer from "it's only Argentina" rightly or wrongly. I'd agree, as things stand, Farrell starts against Oz. Even then, Slade first has to have that great game for England. I've not seen it yet. For all the talk of his talent, it is yet to materialise on the international stage and to make the jersey his own he does have to disrupt a midfield partnership that has a pretty good track record (particularly given our recent options at 12).

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 13:12
Or put farrell at 10 and George on the bench

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 13:38
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Even then, Slade first has to have that great game for England. I've not seen it yet. For all the talk of his talent, it is yet to materialise on the international stage and to make the jersey his own he does have to disrupt a midfield partnership that has a pretty good track record (particularly given our recent options at 12).

Bit early to say isn't it? He's only started 4 games and one of those was against Uruguay in that WC dead rubber (although he had a great game but, y'know, Uruguay). He was certainly very good in the 1st test in Argentina and a bit indifferent in the 2nd.

The fourth start would have been the 19-14 defeat of France before the WC which I couldn't remember at all so I looked up a match report in the Telegraph which singles out Slade as one of the best performers.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 13:56
"Bit early to say isn't it? "

Well quite. Its a bit early to be talking about disrupting our most successful midfield literally in years. I'm not saying he shouldn't be given his chance, he should and is. But to say him with Farrell are the future seems premature based on what I've seen.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 13:56
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Iíve had a 10 say to me in the past that he wasnít going to make any tackles so I had better be there, it wasnít the most enjoyable afternoon Iíve spent on a rugby pitch...

Not sure why he felt he needed to tell you that Jim. Understood, surely! 😕

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 15:03
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shipwrecked
Yes, good questions BD, I think Eddie is aiming for a pool of midfield players that can replace each other for tactical or injury reasons.
That seems to fit with the Portugal training camp observations by Moyne.

I think you are correct shipwrecked. After all who knows who will be fit or not by 2019.

If you have a choice of Slade, Ford, JJ, Farrell, Te'o, Daly etc all fit and in form and you know that most of those can play two positions out of 10-12-13 then you will be in a pretty good position to cover an injury or play a particular way if setup requires as much.

I do think I'd like to see England develop a slightly bulkier centre who has hands though as Te'o for me is somewhat uninspiring. Someone else mentioned that Australia have two big guys in midfield in Kuridrani and Kerevi but both of those guys have a good passing and offloading game still where as Te'o does not get it away too much when he takes contact. I suppose a fit and healthy Tuilagi in form could provide that option at a push but I'd rather see us concentrate on the skillful smaller guys who can give us more options personally.



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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 15:20
Bog Dog - Tuilagi and offloading in the same sentence, bit like Mike Brown and passing....
Simply not in their skill sets.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 16:11
I wouldnt be surprised if rugby is no longer in poor old tuilagis skill set

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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 16:11
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Bog Dog - Tuilagi and offloading in the same sentence, bit like Mike Brown and passing....
Simply not in their skill sets.

Come on DB just a little bit harsh! Oh and don't give us all that nonsense about 'i' being next to 'o' on the keyboard either. (Sm9)winking smiley

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 16:23
I think EJ rates Ford very, very highly. While yes Fazlet starts ahead of anyone, I see Slade as way more likely to displace JJ than Ford.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 17:02
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I think EJ rates Ford very, very highly. While yes Fazlet starts ahead of anyone, I see Slade as way more likely to displace JJ than Ford.

He must rate Ford highly as his form for Bath last season didn't justify his continued inclusion in the England team. No idea what he's like for Tigers this season.



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Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 17:09
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I think EJ rates Ford very, very highly. While yes Fazlet starts ahead of anyone, I see Slade as way more likely to displace JJ than Ford.

He must rate Ford highly as his form for Bath last season didn't justify his continued inclusion in the England team. No idea what he's like for Tigers this season.

Not sure about his form but his kicking has improved... typically.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: England v Argentina
10 November, 2017 19:44
His form for England certainly did though. He was superb in Argentina and has been pretty good for Tigers this season.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:10
Roko on with 60mins to play, hurrah!!



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:17
Watson at Full Back as well!

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:20
Glad Iím not a ref. I have no idea whether that was a pen, a yellow or a red. Looked to me like he was genuinely trying to get the ball and it was just competition. Maybe yellow was a fair compromise?

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:21
I wonder if one of you could put up the current score as at time of posting? Thanks ever so from a penurious pensioner. Given up watching the sweaties v Samoa.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:24
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Glad Iím not a ref. I have no idea whether that was a pen, a yellow or a red. Looked to me like he was genuinely trying to get the ball and it was just competition. Maybe yellow was a fair compromise?

Agree Matt, surely you have to do something wrong to 10 in the bin, not at all sure he did, but the ref was scared of doing nothing! Very harsh.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:30
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Glad Iím not a ref. I have no idea whether that was a pen, a yellow or a red. Looked to me like he was genuinely trying to get the ball and it was just competition. Maybe yellow was a fair compromise?

Agree Matt, surely you have to do something wrong to 10 in the bin, not at all sure he did, but the ref was scared of doing nothing! Very harsh.

It was a fair contest for me and the yellow card ott. I hope Brown is okay, it was a brave play by him. England in control at h/t...



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:31
Joke decision to give anything. Clear and obvious competition for the ball - he had a hand on it, and his leap was only blocked by Brown's.
Still it gives us Rokko and Ant at 15.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:33
Competent first half - which isn't damning with faint praise as the first run out has usually been much more rusty. Underhill monstrous. If he can learn how to jackal as well courtesy of Francois then he is going to be a very special player indeed.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:36
Yellow was very harsh IMO - it was a genuine challenge, and therefore just a rugby incident; not even a penalty for me.

That pass for Hughes' try though...



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:36
Scrappy and I doubt Eddie will happy. But... Roko!!!!!



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:38
Also, Anthony is looking very good indeed.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:41
Of the Bath boys out there Underhill was top dog in the 1st half, what a performance. I hope one of our boys gets a try in the 2nd half, I mean Roko really...



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:42
Not that any of you are mysoginistic or anything ....................................?
Just obsessives with no emotional intelligence more like! (Sm145)



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:43
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Of the Bath boys out there Underhill was top dog in the 1st half, what a performance. I hope one of our boys gets a try in the 2nd half, I mean Roko really...

He's certainly tackling a lot but is that enough for a 7?



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:43
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Not that any of you are mysoginistic or anything ....................................?
Just obsessives with no emotional intelligence more like! (Sm145)
What?????


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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:48
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Of the Bath boys out there Underhill was top dog in the 1st half, what a performance. I hope one of our boys gets a try in the 2nd half, I mean Roko really...

He's certainly tackling a lot but is that enough for a 7?
Commentators were saying that EJ has tasked him specifically with a destructive role...


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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:52
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I wonder if one of you could put up the current score as at time of posting? Thanks ever so from a penurious pensioner. Given up watching the sweaties v Samoa.

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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:56
Erm is it just me or is Slade not really justifying the hype?



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:58
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I wonder if one of you could put up the current score as at time of posting? Thanks ever so from a penurious pensioner. Given up watching the sweaties v Samoa.

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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 15:59
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Erm is it just me or is Slade not really justifying the hype?

Some and some. Shown some lovely hands and some poor hands.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:01
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Erm is it just me or is Slade not really justifying the hype?

Bit of stage fright I think. He is a much better player than this.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:01
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Erm is it just me or is Slade not really justifying the hype?

Some and some. Shown some lovely hands and some poor hands.
Not sure balance is quite right with this back line


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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:02
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Erm is it just me or is Slade not really justifying the hype?

Some and some. Shown some lovely hands and some poor hands.

He took a while to get into the game and has had a mixed afternoon so far. A moment of brilliance would help...



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:03
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Not that any of you are mysoginistic or anything ....................................?
Just obsessives with no emotional intelligence more like! (Sm145)
Here's a link to virutally all (legal) ways of following the match:
[bfy.tw]
It's also possible to use very similar techniques without requiring other people to do the work for you, or coming across as a self-entitled brat when they chose not to.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:04
Third quarter has been dire. 58 mins gone and still 14-3, as it was at half-time.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:07
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Third quarter has been dire. 58 mins gone and still 14-3, as it was at half-time.
Beat me to the punch, has turned into a dire match.


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BathMatt53
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:12
Rooooooookkkkkkkoooooooo! (Pass ok?)

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:16
Rooooookkkoooooooo!!!!! (Don't worry about the pass!)

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:17
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Rooooooookkkkkkkoooooooo! (Pass ok?)

Oooooh Rokoduguni; Ohhhhhhh Rokoduguni...



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:19
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Not that any of you are mysoginistic or anything ....................................?
Just obsessives with no emotional intelligence more like! (Sm145)

Need to avoid spoilers for others Annie...



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DorsetBoy
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:20
I'm a few minutes behind, but that was clearly forward. More farcial officating, but no excuse for not getting the pass backwards.

Dreadful game mind.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:25
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Not that any of you are mysoginistic or anything ....................................?
Just obsessives with no emotional intelligence more like! (Sm145)

Need to avoid spoilers for others Annie...

Clarkey3k can you please try to make more emotionally intelligent comments from here forward please?

Australia will be rubbing their hands together watching this.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:26
Not going to be pleasant in the England dressing room.....



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:26
Argentina score on Daly's wing, dropped for his defensive lapse for Australia I wonder?



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:29
What is Barnes on about- Slade has shown nothing to really suggest he should supplant JJ.



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BathMatt53
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:30
That wasnít really worth the Now TV subscription tbh. Hard to pick a MoM.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:34
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What is Barnes on about- Slade has shown nothing to really suggest he should supplant JJ.

Big fan of both but the idea of dropping arguably the best defensive 13 in the world is preposterous.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:41
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What is Barnes on about- Slade has shown nothing to really suggest he should supplant JJ.

Big fan of both but the idea of dropping arguably the best defensive 13 in the world is preposterous.

What if you want to attack?



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 16:42
All that mattered was no Bath player got injured so a good day all round.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 17:31
Not the England try fest some pundits predicted - great credit to Argentina for that.

Actually, situation excellent. The last thing England need now is too much hubris. Sir Clive's team had some very tough AI games en route to World Cup 2003 and benefited from them. England needed a good workout before meeting a resurgent Australia - so they are not complacent.

Several positives in the forwards but some steel is needed in the midfield. Slade had a good first half but some of his passing errors in the second may damn him. Farrell to return: JJ or (possibly) Daly at 13 with May, Roko, Watson as back 3?

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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 17:56
I thought the forwards were disappointing. Underhill tackled well but the rest seemed a yard off the pace (yes, first game for 6 months). I thought Anthony was excellent, Youngs too slow and George ineffective. You wouldn't have known JJ was on the pitch. As Eddie says. Good sides are up to speed immediately... and we weren't.



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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 19:05
Hope Roko buys Lozowski a beer! Made the try for him with his break

 
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Re: England v Argentina
11 November, 2017 19:10
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Hope Roko buys Lozowski a beer! Made the try for him with his break

Lozowski should buy it, with those shoulder barges he would get to the bar in no time!

Lozowski looked good when he got on, interesting choice for Eddie with 4 playmakers available.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
12 November, 2017 09:03
Well on that evidence I'd certainly go with Farrell at 12 and Ford at 10 v Australia with Slade on the bench. One average performance from Slade amongst a lot of mediocrity is not a compelling reason to ditch him and not a time to experiment with new 9 - 10 - 12 partnership especially if Brown is out of selection

Then against Samoa, a chance for Slade to show what he is capable of at 12 and Farrell at 10 and Lozowski on bench - Faz was big enough to be waterboy so why not George

Could be that Tigers get more game time from their investment than expected if Slade and Lozowski take their opportunity

 
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Re: England v Argentina
12 November, 2017 09:45
Eddie has said this morning that the teams for the 3 internationals were selected 4 weeks ago with fitness enhancement allocated on that basis where needed. (Subject to injury of course).

Praised Underhill, first class defence, and Roko, improved defence. Personally I would have a word in Daly's ear about that aspect, he lacked bite.

This is going to be controversial but I'll say it anyway, Ford's passing is great no doubt but he really needs to threaten to break the line in that 10/12 channel in order to 'fix' the cover to open up space outside. Beginning to look like Bath on a bad day.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
12 November, 2017 09:52
England will certainly have to play much better against the Aussies, but had more than enough to beat a pretty average Argie team.

Overall it was a dull affair with the highlight being Roko's try and Eddie being caught on camera having a tantrum.



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Re: England v Argentina
12 November, 2017 10:22
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England will certainly have to play much better against the Aussies, but had more than enough to beat a pretty average Argie team.
Overall it was a dull affair with the highlight being Roko's try and Eddie being caught on camera having a tantrum.

Yes indeed, my lip-reading isn't great but he seemed to be really annoyed about something being 'fluffy'? Fluff this, fluff that, a load of fluffing rubbish etc.

I will be equally controversial and say that half of Fords issue is Ben Youngs who I don't think has been that great either with fast passing or the sniping that he used to do with great success. He needs to 'fix' those closest to the scrum or at least get quick ball away from it before Ford can get the space to work and Care offers this where Youngs doesn't seem to at the moment (or didn't yesterday at least). Very good player though N Hughes is I still think that we are missing Big Billy V dragging in an extra player or two.

Looking forward to next week, should be a cracker. England have home advantage but the Aussies have been together for ages so it could be really tough to call.

 
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Re: England v Argentina
12 November, 2017 10:32
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England will certainly have to play much better against the Aussies, but had more than enough to beat a pretty average Argie team.
Overall it was a dull affair with the highlight being Roko's try and Eddie being caught on camera having a tantrum.

Yes indeed, my lip-reading isn't great but he seemed to be really annoyed about something being 'fluffy'? Fluff this, fluff that, a load of fluffing rubbish etc.

I will be equally controversial and say that half of Fords issue is Ben Youngs who I don't think has been that great either with fast passing or the sniping that he used to do with great success. He needs to 'fix' those closest to the scrum or at least get quick ball away from it before Ford can get the space to work and Care offers this where Youngs doesn't seem to at the moment (or didn't yesterday at least). Very good player though N Hughes is I still think that we are missing Big Billy V dragging in an extra player or two.

Looking forward to next week, should be a cracker. England have home advantage but the Aussies have been together for ages so it could be really tough to call.

Good point Matt, I'd actually forgotten Ben Youngs, we do need depth, variety and incision there as well.

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