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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 11:27
Oh yeah Matt Scott is quality. Wonder what's gone on there.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 11:38
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hasta
Oh yeah Matt Scott is quality. Wonder what's gone on there.

I guess with Banners, Owen Williams and 36 they have a lot of extremely expensive 12 options already. Suspect Scott would have a few options on the table.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 13:42
He also doesn't really fit the Ackermann sterotype of "biggest is bestest" - there are rimours afoot that Glos are after Van Rensburg going fowards



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BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 13:50
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He also doesn't really fit the Ackermann sterotype of "biggest is bestest" - there are rumours afoot that Glos are after Van Rensburg going fowards

Crikey, he's not small!

Height 1.85 m (6' 1")
Weight 101 kg (15 st 12 lb)

But he does give up over a stone to the brick outhouse that is Van Rensburg at the same height.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 14:02
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BathMatt53
Crikey, he's not small!
Height 1.85 m (6' 1")
Weight 101 kg (15 st 12 lb)

But he does give up over a stone to the brick outhouse that is Van Rensburg at the same height.
He's also being "rejected" in favour of Billy Twelvetrees
H: 1.93m (6'4")
W: 103kg (16st 3lb)



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Daniel Riddle
Riddler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 16:30
If he is moving on then a club just down the road may be quite a good option for him and indeed us.

Depending on where people see Clark playing I think

12-Scott/Clark
13-Joseph/Willson

is quite a decent one and will give all four good game time.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 16:32
Just saw on the Chron feed that Levi Douglas has signed a new deal - well done Levi!

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 16:34
Spencer off to Tigers - [www.bbc.co.uk]

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 16:38
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Spencer off to Tigers - [www.bbc.co.uk]

Both good signings for them, experienced aggressive big lumps are what they have been missing this season and both have to skill to add to their size.

 
dcsh
dcsh (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 17:54
Dan Evans on the Chon webchat says Bath are looking to sign 2 more centres and also one Ďfrom left fieldí. Not quite sure what that means, but my first thought was Rugby League.....

 
B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 17:58
Maybe Italy or France. Surely we won't risk that again?

 
dcsh
dcsh (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 18:44
Or the championship. Have to say League was the thought when I was thinking centres, but having re-read the text it seems separate from the centres. However if cost is an issue at present, a League player could provide good value.

 
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ROLLO (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 19:16
Spencer going is very disappointing. He hardly played a game for the first six months upon joining Wuss. Along with his effort we spent time, expertise and money to get him fit and as soon as he can he is off. What rankles most is that two weeks ago he was saying how happy he was as Sixways etc., Why can't players just be honest and say we think we have better prospect elsewhere or they have offered more money rather than taking us for fools. Maybe he isn't that bright?

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 19:28
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Spencer going is very disappointing. He hardly played a game for the first six months upon joining Wuss. Along with his effort we spent time, expertise and money to get him fit and as soon as he can he is off. What rankles most is that two weeks ago he was saying how happy he was as Sixways etc., Why can't players just be honest and say we think we have better prospect elsewhere or they have offered more money rather than taking us for fools. Maybe he isn't that bright?

Well at least he played for you a bit!

Agree about the statement though, better to do a Willison / Tapuai and say that you are still considering options IMO. Interesting that Banners requested an early announcement and said that he would give it his all for the rest of the season. There is a bit on the bath chronicle Q and A about how announcements work.

 
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Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 20:29
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dcsh
Dan Evans on the Chon webchat says Bath are looking to sign 2 more centres and also one Ďfrom left fieldí. Not quite sure what that means, but my first thought was Rugby League.....


Term used in Baseball (Sm128) they have some big quick guys

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 20:32
Or American Football?

[m.youtube.com]

 
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joethefanatic (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 21:47
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dcsh
Dan Evans on the Chon webchat says Bath are looking to sign 2 more centres and also one Ďfrom left fieldí. Not quite sure what that means, but my first thought was Rugby League.....

Quade Cooper*













*The voices in my head are very insistent about this...



... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

 
Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 22:45
I seem to recall we were looking to sign two centres all last season & they never came apart from a couple of stop gaps. Left field could be yet another reject from somewhere or other that we can polish up.

 
B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
26 January, 2018 23:14
Usain Bolt was looking for a new career. More like beyond left field, over the hedge and into the next one I suppose.

 
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sirtidychris (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
27 January, 2018 08:26
Do feel for Worcester supporters, quite a blow losing Christian Scotland-Williamson and Spencer both high class abrasive locks you can build a pack round, also DOC retiring, you'll be looking for a lot of locks!

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
27 January, 2018 11:49
I think ewe may struggle to draw any world class players at present give the rumours concerning club morale and interfering - clearly it has spread beyond this forum and questions now being raised as to whether TB is going to walk away at the end of the season.

If you were a top quality player would you rather go to a club with stability and a good vibe or us??

We desperately needed after the Ford years a rebuilding of the club and trust - personally we got e right people in in TB & TM - I know TM has left and the rumours from the players I know say that it was not just personal reasons. If TB goes I honestly believe it would be a disaster.

That was why it was so important to keep Banners, he had that BBW running through his veins, it was infectious - you only have to talk to the guy to feel it. We have treated him terribly - I know some on here just believe it was a sound financial move, but rugby is not always about finance. Losing Banners on top of the other ongoing issues between the playing and non playing management has made the situation almost untenable.

So again my question is would you if you were a top player join us??



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
27 January, 2018 17:22
No Ali1969, no and not just for the reasons already mentioned.

Hanging on to TB is the vital cog in our future development IMO which coupled with the need for financial breakeven (forget profit), if Bruce wants/is able to develop the Rec. If we have a poor side, playing like drains, it is going to be very difficult me thinks to fill any stadium let alone one accommodating an extra 4,000 people or so. The whole future with regards to the club might be lying in Todd's hands.

He no doubt looks upon Bath in the Northern Hemisphere as a good name on his cv when been interviewed for a future All Black coaching job. If things are as bad as alluded to by Malco and others, any self respecting top coach may well have said I am off. But obviously TB wants to leave us in a better place than when he arrived to, bluntly, show he can cut the mustard in another country and hemisphere as he has ambitions for bigger and better coaching appointments. To walk away as DoR or Head Coach would not look good on his cv as people have short memories and would forget the trying circumstances hr finds himself in.

I sincerely hope he stays for at least 5 seasons and instills a certain way of playing right across the club, setting standards and bringing through our own Academy graduates.

 
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Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
29 January, 2018 11:43
[www.nzherald.co.nz]

Wonder if any of these would be interested in coming here? Seems they are all looking for the £££ more than the rugby itself though so France or Japan more likely to attract them.

Taufua a good player but back row not really somewhere we need a fella either!

Tamanivalu and Ngatai though are of interest but suspect we could be priced out by the french clubs for both!



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BathBurger
BathBurger (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
29 January, 2018 19:02
Interesting Big dog.

Charlie Ngatai would be ideal as a 12 but it seems we would have no chance of getting him due to the money the French could throw at him.

Tamanivalu is a real talent and a try-scoring machine but is only an option in the centres at 13. Too expensive for six nations cover for JJ.

Socino would honestly appear to be an ideal signing. Playmaker 12, good hands, hits filthy lines too. Would be a starting option as well as a good impact sub.

Ben Te'o is apparently not coming as we wouldn't meet his wage demands. Probably for the best, he really is very good but is not the youngest and would be away with England as Eddie is a big fan.

Cokanasiga is someone I really do hope we get our hands on. Young enough to be developed but with serious raw talent. Big and fast so a decent replacement for Banners on paper, just without the BB&W blood in his veins. If LI go down we must be first in line to take his signature.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
29 January, 2018 19:44
To be fair Banners didnít have the BB&W in his veins either when we signed him from Irish at a similar age...

I see that Chiefs are interested in Sale FB Haley, with Lachie Turner possibly going? With him playing FB, Wing and Centre he would be a really useful utility player for someone (like us) IMO.



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Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 11:51
Mike Haley is a very good young prospect who has real gas and would be a very useful attacking option from 15 and would provide ideal coverage for when Watson is not available or on the wing.

Interesting that the Chiefs are looking at him as they have the ever reliable Dolman and a very bright prospect in Max Bodily in reserve at full back.

With Tom Homer on our books I am not sure Haley is for us, but Haley is worth looking at.

 
cb2
cb2 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 13:57
We could do with a starting 12, who is good enough to be our second choice 10. It seems odd to be paying so much for both Burns and Priestland, when neither really covers the 12 shirt or even the 15 shirt. You don't want to have that much cap money on the bench. A younger Gopperth type player would be great.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 14:17
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We could do with a starting 12, who is good enough to be our second choice 10. It seems odd to be paying so much for both Burns and Priestland, when neither really covers the 12 shirt or even the 15 shirt. You don't want to have that much cap money on the bench. A younger Gopperth type player would be great.

Priestland has played both 12 and 15. Burns has played quite a few games at 15, including last year for Tigers. Both have done reasonably well - certainly well enough to cover them. Josh Lewis also covers 10 and 12. Tapuai obviously plays 12 and 10.

 
BathBurger
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Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 15:57
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To be fair Banners didnít have the BB&W in his veins either when we signed him from Irish at a similar age...

Apologies BathMatt I appear to have collapsed into my own rhetoric like a neutron star there.

However having just seen his three tries last week he'd be second only to another centre on my list of desired transfers for next season.

[www.instagram.com]

Not sure if Instagram links work, but worth a shot!

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 16:43
It works. Talented kid.

 
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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 16:53
Darren Atkins signed up with Bath

[www.bathrugby.com]

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
30 January, 2018 17:46
Good news. Wonder if he got 3 years like Bayliss? Makes sense IMO, gives them a bit of time to knuckle down and maybe even go on loan - after 3 years we should know if they have 'it' or not.

 
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CoochieCoo (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
31 January, 2018 20:25
Rumour on FB that James Phillips has signed for Sale.



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gaz59 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
31 January, 2018 20:31
Can't think why he would want to go to Sale if a decent offer from us was on the table

 
Olde Lagge
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Re: Transfer rumours
31 January, 2018 22:30
Attwood, Charteris, Ewells, Stooke, Douglas. Phillips is 5th or 6th choice, with only Ewells likely to be involved in a national squad. He has to seek game time for next season. It won't be very much at Bath. So no surprise if he is deemed surplus to requirements.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
31 January, 2018 23:43
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Can't think why he would want to go to Sale if a decent offer from us was on the table

IF! As noted above he has hardly played for us so I doubt Bath will have broken the bank.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 08:35
I suspect the reason is more mercenary.

That bullocking try has made his profile rocket and significantly increased his transfer value.

Not surprising he's off.

 
Bath Hammer
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 09:55
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Olde Lagge
Attwood, Charteris, Ewells, Stooke, Douglas. Phillips is 5th or 6th choice, with only Ewells likely to be involved in a national squad. He has to seek game time for next season. It won't be very much at Bath. So no surprise if he is deemed surplus to requirements.

Attwood - severe injury worries
Charteris - cannot play consistently
Ewels- away with England
Ewells - overworked
Douglas - should not be overworked

When you say 5th or 6th choice you are forgetting there are two 2nd rows so I would suggest we need him & he will get game time. Also he offers something that only Atwood can provide when we are up against a big pack.

Hold on to him I say.

 
opti
Optimist (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 10:24
Heís a journeyman. Will Britton would be better use of money.

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 10:32
"Heís a journeyman. Will Britton would be better use of money."

Phillips? I agree. If one bullocking try has papered over his short comings* and put his price up then so be it.

* not saying they are huge, but he is what he is.

That said, I'd have thought negotiations happen some time back, probably before the try? So I suspect it just the life of a player in his position.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 10:41
I suspect that before the try no one would have blinked at this.

It was a cracking try though. Has anyone checked if Chris Pennell has come to rest yet?

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 10:47
Notice he also played a passable game on the flank in the AWC. Not bad for a 'lumbering lump'!

 
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Robbinho (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 10:58
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Olde Lagge
Attwood, Charteris, Ewells, Stooke, Douglas. Phillips is 5th or 6th choice, with only Ewells likely to be involved in a national squad. He has to seek game time for next season. It won't be very much at Bath. So no surprise if he is deemed surplus to requirements.

Attwood - severe injury worries
Charteris - cannot play consistently
Ewels- away with England
Ewells - overworked

Douglas - should not be overworked

When you say 5th or 6th choice you are forgetting there are two 2nd rows so I would suggest we need him & he will get game time. Also he offers something that only Atwood can provide when we are up against a big pack.

Hold on to him I say.

Not surprised he's overworked if he's two squad members....

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 11:31
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Olde Lagge
Attwood, Charteris, Ewells, Stooke, Douglas. Phillips is 5th or 6th choice, with only Ewells likely to be involved in a national squad. He has to seek game time for next season. It won't be very much at Bath. So no surprise if he is deemed surplus to requirements.

Attwood - severe injury worries
Charteris - cannot play consistently
Ewels- away with England
Ewells - overworked

Douglas - should not be overworked

When you say 5th or 6th choice you are forgetting there are two 2nd rows so I would suggest we need him & he will get game time. Also he offers something that only Atwood can provide when we are up against a big pack.

Hold on to him I say.

Not surprised he's overworked if he's two squad members....

Thanks! I must check before sending (Sm152)

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 13:22
Assume the second Ewels is Stooke?

 
hipster1676
hipster1676 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 14:58
Rumour on Facebook that Atwood is off to Toulon

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 15:08
Well his house has been for sale for a while and it has been long rumoured that he is off to France so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if that's accurate. Would mean we need a big chunky lock replacement though if Phillips is also off.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 15:17
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Rumour on Facebook that Atwood is off to Toulon

Would make sense for him.

More money, better standard of living, warm/sunny as opposed to wet/windy UK and chance to win trophies. No brainer.



Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18

 
opti
Optimist (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 15:28
He's also been house-hunting in Bath. Can read any of that anyway you choose. But also - who could blame him if he gets a juicy offer from France. England has come and very much gone for him. Four years ago most people would have assumed he'd end up with 50-60 England caps .... at c. £20k a pop, that's a lot of bread not earned.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 15:45
The comments on facebook suggest that he is going on loan to Toulon because the club can't afford to pay him and stay within the salary cap.

 
DanWiley
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 15:57
When was the last time he actually played a reasonable run of games?

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 16:14
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The comments on facebook suggest that he is going on loan to Toulon because the club can't afford to pay him and stay within the salary cap.

I doubt that very much, they can't be that foolish.

 
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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 16:33
Same thing happened with Matawalu IIRC.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 16:40
I thought that was because we wanted to sign Kahn on a permanent basis? I really can't believe that they would take such a risk - after all if you pay someone off to leave, it counts in the salary cap anyway. So you are relying on someone else wanting the player at that time. It would be nuts.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 16:42
Dave going to Toulon as medical joker with our injury problems that is so ironic!

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CoochieCoo (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 17:11
Having thought about this it may be a smart move by the Club to allow Dave to get a bit of game time at a top club in the sun to charge his batteries for us!



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DanWiley
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 17:15
The google translate version of that page is also pretty special:

"The officialization of his coming should intervene in the next hours."

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 17:16
OK if its for a month or so then fair enough, but it he had better be back for the business end of the season...

 
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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 20:51
In the Chronicle article it states that if a player has not played during the season their salary can be deducted from the cap. I imagine this has enabled us to bring in Hurrell and Vuna. It also says that they hope to Dave can come through unscathed and join up with Bath again for preseason.

IF they have done it for salary cap reasons, I'd say it was a smart move because had Dave played and immediately got injured again his salary would have been included in the cap. This way, he can get some game time, a new environment and play without the pressure of the club.

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 21:04
I need someone with more brains than me to explain how it would free up his annual salary under the cap? Injury dispensation has to be for a player in the same position, which would indicate Philips, however he was signed for the whole season as far as I understand? If this was the case there was no injury dispensation for attwood. Hurrell canít be either as we donít have a long term 12/13 out for more than 3 months that I can see? I have just read section 5 of the salary regulations and canít tie it into the statement in the chron...

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 21:14
Because he wouldn't be a player for the club...
Nothing to do with injury dispensation.

GMercer also hasn't been available this season, and won't be counted towards our cap.

For the record, the groundsman isn't a player for the club, and doesn't have his salary counted towards the cap either.



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BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 21:36
I thought that the chron said that it wouldnít be counted the entire season, not just from now on when he is with Toulon? Thatís the bit I didnít understand.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 21:54
As Attwood hasn't (and now wouldn't) play a game all season he can be discounted from the salary cap.

 
DanWiley
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 22:19
Yeah, but if they are out for 3 months you can spend their salary on an equivalent player. Ok there's a difference between that and them but being outside the cap entirely, but surely we can't consider them outside the cap AND spend their salary on an equivalent player.

If we've not spent his salary on an equivalent we're surely idiots?

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 22:38
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BathMatt53
I thought that the chron said that it wouldnít be counted the entire season, not just from now on when he is with Toulon? Thatís the bit I didnít understand.
I think the reasoning is that if he doesn't play rugby for Bath, then he's not a Bath rugby player, and his salary (entirely) is taken out of consideration for the cap..
GMercer also hasn't been able to play any rugby for Bath this season, so wouldn't be counted as a Bath Rugby player this season.

I think we're going round in circles here, but I don't know how else to put it.
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Yeah, but if they are out for 3 months you can spend their salary on an equivalent player. Ok there's a difference between that and them but being outside the cap entirely, but surely we can't consider them outside the cap AND spend their salary on an equivalent player.
huh?
For injury dispensation, the injured player has to be out for 3 months, the replacement player has to play the same position, and can't cost more than the injured player.
The replacement player comes out of a separate £450k(?) cap, nothing to do with the rest of the cap, and no longer anything to do with the original player's salary.
With Attwood (or GMercer) not playing a single game for Bath this season, they're not counted as Bath players.
Nothing to do with innury dispensation, just outside the cap because they don't play for us.

Why on Earth would you want to put someone's player outside the cap without spending it elsewhere? (Unless you were going to be over the cap by that amount, which is still just spending it elsewhere).

ETA: sorry, just noticed the magic word "equivalent" that's only a necessity for injury dispensation. If it's decided that 5 locks is enough (it is) but that we need more props and centres; them we absolutely can and should use Dave's salary there. We might then end up with something like Noguero, Hurrell and Vuna all added to our squad for the sake of 1 Attwood.



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Bathovalballer
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 23:15
Don't worry about transfers in, as any returning injured player will be sent out on loan, as this will loosen up some salary cap. We are not going to win anything so let the best players go for a holiday in the sun. Our players are often found to be physically weak and are truly pampered now I wonder if those at the top have gone soft in the head as well!!!!

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 23:23
BoB, you have said this before but the one thing that professional players from any club are is physically weak. Nick Auteracs bicep is the size of most peopleís thigh.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Transfer rumours
01 February, 2018 23:42
Yes Matt I have heard of NA's reported strength and gym exploits but he is off like all the best players will be. We could all get our heads fried in the sun of S. France. Just like those at the top of Bath the losers. Be assured this will open the door to any decent player leaving. Bruce don't bother to build a new stadium, there will not be a good enough side to watch play there. They are all off to the money and joire d vive in France.

 
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02 February, 2018 00:29
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Yes Matt I have heard of NA's reported strength and gym exploits but he is off like all the best players will be. We could all get our heads fried in the sun of S. France. Just like those at the top of Bath the losers. Be assured this will open the door to any decent player leaving. Bruce don't bother to build a new stadium, there will not be a good enough side to watch play there. They are all off to the money and joire d vive in France.

You are Beckenham Bandit and I claim my £5.



... IMHO, of course.

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DanWiley
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02 February, 2018 08:41
I think my point was that we probably didn't know earlier in the season that DA would be out all season so we could take him out of the cap. But we would have known pretty early that he'd be out for 3 months therefore we should (if we've any sense) used his salary as an injury dispensation. I believe in that situation, once DA comes back after 3 months or so, we can play both DA and his replacement. Having got the injury replacement I'd be surprised if we can say "Well Dave never played so his salary doesn't count*" Wouldn't that just move the broadly equivalent salary of the replacement into the cap to neutralise the effect?

* by the time we know this what use is it?

 
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02 February, 2018 09:04
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I think my point was that we probably didn't know earlier in the season that DA would be out all season so we could take him out of the cap. But we would have known pretty early that he'd be out for 3 months therefore we should (if we've any sense) used his salary as an injury dispensation. I believe in that situation, once DA comes back after 3 months or so, we can play both DA and his replacement. Having got the injury replacement I'd be surprised if we can say "Well Dave never played so his salary doesn't count*" Wouldn't that just move the broadly equivalent salary of the replacement into the cap to neutralise the effect?
* by the time we know this what use is it?

Yes.

 
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02 February, 2018 14:26
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I think my point was that we probably didn't know earlier in the season that DA would be out all season so we could take him out of the cap. But we would have known pretty early that he'd be out for 3 months therefore we should (if we've any sense) used his salary as an injury dispensation. I believe in that situation, once DA comes back after 3 months or so, we can play both DA and his replacement. Having got the injury replacement I'd be surprised if we can say "Well Dave never played so his salary doesn't count*" Wouldn't that just move the broadly equivalent salary of the replacement into the cap to neutralise the effect?
* by the time we know this what use is it?
It depends...
1. Did Phillips come in as Dave's injury replacement?
2. Did we pay for him out of the injury dispensation allowance?
3. When we most certainly were dipping into our injury dispensation, did we prioritise Props (when we had as few as zero THPs available who weren't here as injury replacements) or locks (when we never had fewer than 4 of our own to pick from)?
4. IF Phillips was injury replacement for Attwood AND Perenise/Andrews/(I'm sure there was a third for a time) were also injury dispensations; but the £450k didn't cover all of them - who would be the cheapest to set outside the dispensation, and into the normal cap?



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02 February, 2018 14:28
IF Philips was injury cover, then surely he would have come in for Ellis as he can play both backrow and second row.

 
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18 March, 2018 09:24
[www.bathrugby.com]

I see that this is on the squad sticky, but doesnít seem to have been mentioned anywhere else or commented on?

Enjoyed watching his Ďdirectí style of play and wish him the very best for the future.

 
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18 March, 2018 10:15
Its been known for a while that he was going and there were strong rumours floating around that he was going to Sale.


From what I heard, Bath wanted to keep him but like the Banahan situation, Sale were offering more than Bath could afford. Not only that, but with Attwood and Ellis back next season, I can't see Philips getting too much game time.

 
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21 March, 2018 18:07
Rugby Inside Line has a number of Bath related rumours today. Halfpenny again (as per other thread), Cokanasiga a done deal and Roko considering his options!!!! Please donít go anywhere Roko.
[mobile.twitter.com]

Update: The Roko tweet has been deleted after it was pointed out that he had another year on his current contract!



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21 March, 2018 18:20
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Cokanasiga a done deal and Roko considering his options!!!! Please donít go anywhere Roko.
[mobile.twitter.com]

Wow.... that's great news if true So our wing options might be Roko (needs to re-sign), Cokanasiga, Vuna, Brew and Wilson. Now all we have to do is get the ball to them!!

 
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21 March, 2018 18:42
Roko considering his options!!!!!!!!

If he leaves it would be a stunning piece of incompetence by Bath management and would surpass anything they've done to date.



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21 March, 2018 18:47
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Cokanasiga a done deal and Roko considering his options!!!! Please donít go anywhere Roko.
[mobile.twitter.com]

Wow.... that's great news if true So our wing options might be Roko (needs to re-sign), Cokanasiga, Vuna, Brew and Wilson. Now all we have to do is get the ball to them!!

I thought that Vuna was just for this season? (And I donít think that James Wilson has signed or do you mean Jack?)



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Re: Transfer rumours
21 March, 2018 18:57
Jack Wilson, James is more of a midfield back for me. I do worry that Roko might fall into the same salary trap as Banners given his age!

 
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21 March, 2018 19:09
I don't know how I would go on if Roko left.

Retire, obviously no problem, but another Banahan situation would be unforgivable.

 
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21 March, 2018 19:15
The Roko tweet has been deleted after it was pointed out that he had another year on his current contract!

 
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21 March, 2018 19:17
I agree, but the club have laid down a precedent in order to be consistent and not disrespect Banners they may have to make a similar offer, question is would Roko get a three year deal elsewhere and would he accept a smaller salary?

Have to say I'm a bit worried about this.

 
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21 March, 2018 19:20
There was nothing interest from France last year I think? Will cross that bridge when we come to it - Roko, JJ and AW will all be up for renewal next year, squeeky bum time.

 
Bathovalballer
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21 March, 2018 19:24
I thought Roko got an Army salary as that is why he has to be available for their big games against the RAF and the Navy. Is he on a full contract with Bath? Don't quite get how this works. Any clues or info anyone?

 
BathMatt53
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21 March, 2018 19:36
My understanding was that he is (or was) effectively on secondment with Bath but still lived in army digs in Warminster? That may have changed since though.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
21 March, 2018 19:44
Roko leaving would be completely ludicrous. I very much hope that is garbage.

 
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21 March, 2018 20:25
The three services each have a squad of elite rugby players who they are happy to (encourage to) let play for professional/semi-professional clubs. They are paid their military salary (in Rokoís case probably about £30K) as well as the club contract. I donít think they are permitted to do endorsements. £30K is a small price for all the favourable PR Roko gets the Army.

The agreement between player and club must be officially sanctioned by the service and will be subject caveats that suit the service, like availability for certain service games and service media events. In the Army it will also include the requirement for the soldier to perform certain mandatory annual tests Ė shooting, fitness, NBC etc.

The serviceman will also have to be on the posted strength of a military unit, he cannot just be Ďgivení to Bath. He remains in the service and is subject to Military Law as well as civil law like any other serviceman. I believe when Rodber got into trouble on the field in South Africa he subsequently had a military interview for Ďbringing the service into disreputeí.

When Rokoís contract is up he will have to get service permission to sign another and will then be Ďpostedí to a unit near his new club, should that be the case. This almost certainly rules out foreign clubs. So quite a lot of water has to go under the bridge before the deal is done.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
21 March, 2018 20:50
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The Roko tweet has been deleted after it was pointed out that he had another year on his current contract!
Good news

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I agree, but the club have laid down a precedent in order to be consistent and not disrespect Banners they may have to make a similar offer, question is would Roko get a three year deal elsewhere and would he accept a smaller salary?
Have to say I'm a bit worried about this.
I wouldn't be - not until this time next year anyway.
However, for me, Tomorrow is worth a little more than Bana's anyway, and with less (top class) rugby under his belt, should be able to go longer than you'd otherwise think. He just doesn't have that accumulation of injuries, especially in those 18-22 years range when the impacts are fully adult and fully weighted, but the joints are still developing.



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Re: Transfer rumours
21 March, 2018 21:27
Thanks WT that's a huge relief, I should have looked on the Bath squad thread I suppose.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
21 March, 2018 21:52
BBC reporting that Francois Hougaard has signed a new three-year contract at Worcs. bit surprised at that, with due respect to Worcs he is surely good enough to play for better teams in England and elsewhere.

 
dr.bath1865
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22 March, 2018 08:27
Roko leaving at the end of next season would be a real shame but there seems to be little substance to the rumour, especially seeing as he has another year on his contract. So I'm not sure if we can blame the club for something they have/haven't done yet.

However, I'm sure the big French teams will throw very big money at him. He'd be a superstar in the French league and, seeing as he's not going to get picked by England and he has a young family, I wouldn't blame him for 'considering his options', seeing as those options include a mountain of Euros.

Other than breaking our wage structure, there's not much we can do to directly compete with that.

 
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22 March, 2018 08:27
Re Roko and Half penny rumours our 8 year old is currently having lessons about not believing everything you see on the internet some people on here could do with a more discriminating approach. These were both very obviously not current possibilities.

 
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22 March, 2018 08:41
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Roko leaving at the end of next season would be a real shame but there seems to be little substance to the rumour, especially seeing as he has another year on his contract. So I'm not sure if we can blame the club for something they have/haven't done yet.
However, I'm sure the big French teams will throw very big money at him. He'd be a superstar in the French league and, seeing as he's not going to get picked by England and he has a young family, I wouldn't blame him for 'considering his options', seeing as those options include a mountain of Euros.

Other than breaking our wage structure, there's not much we can do to directly compete with that.

dr.bath

See further up the thread.

He is a soldier in the British Army.

The last time Britain had a permanent military garrison in France was in the reign of Mary 1!


PG

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
22 March, 2018 09:00
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Roko leaving at the end of next season would be a real shame but there seems to be little substance to the rumour, especially seeing as he has another year on his contract. So I'm not sure if we can blame the club for something they have/haven't done yet.
However, I'm sure the big French teams will throw very big money at him. He'd be a superstar in the French league and, seeing as he's not going to get picked by England and he has a young family, I wouldn't blame him for 'considering his options', seeing as those options include a mountain of Euros.

Other than breaking our wage structure, there's not much we can do to directly compete with that.

dr.bath

See further up the thread.

He is a soldier in the British Army.

The last time Britain had a permanent military garrison in France was in the reign of Mary 1!


PG

Could he not leave the army though?

 
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22 March, 2018 09:28
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Roko leaving at the end of next season would be a real shame but there seems to be little substance to the rumour, especially seeing as he has another year on his contract. So I'm not sure if we can blame the club for something they have/haven't done yet.
However, I'm sure the big French teams will throw very big money at him. He'd be a superstar in the French league and, seeing as he's not going to get picked by England and he has a young family, I wouldn't blame him for 'considering his options', seeing as those options include a mountain of Euros.

Other than breaking our wage structure, there's not much we can do to directly compete with that.

dr.bath

See further up the thread.

He is a soldier in the British Army.

The last time Britain had a permanent military garrison in France was in the reign of Mary 1!


PG

Could he not leave the army though?

He could, but from all the interviews he gives he seems very proud and committed to serve.

However, the cost of playing professional rugby is promotion and he is well behind his expected career progression now.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
22 March, 2018 12:01
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Re Roko and Half penny rumours our 8 year old is currently having lessons about not believing everything you see on the internet some people on here could do with a more discriminating approach. These were both very obviously not current possibilities.
I get the impression some people need this constant panic/stress in their lives. They are the thrill seekers of the board, constantly looking for the worst possible outcome, ignoring when it's been refuted and continuing the wailing and gnashing for I'm assuming an endless adrenaline high. See the "Eddie Jones Says 2 Won't Play For England Again" thread and the number of people reading the headline as fact yet somehow blind that it's been debunked. I think its also part of the narrative that justifies their assuming the worst and repeatedly denigrating the management of the club.

 
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22 March, 2018 12:44
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Re Roko and Half penny rumours our 8 year old is currently having lessons about not believing everything you see on the internet some people on here could do with a more discriminating approach. These were both very obviously not current possibilities.


Very easy to be wise after the event though isn't it, I notice you waited until everyone else had done the research before commenting. Why not point it out at the time?

The original comment on Roko came with a source, the fact that the source retracted it isn't really his fault. Halfpenny was debunked quite quickly as well.

If a post has a source or an origin we are interested are we not? If its made up then that's a different matter entirely.

 
TG Kesmo
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22 March, 2018 12:53
I only read this thread this morning but did no research as I already new 1/2p had signed for 3years and that Roko had a year to go. Plus that source is pretty unreliable. So not really wise after any event, just making an observation on the knee jerk gullibility of some folk who seem to want to take everything they read at face value.
You can choose to believe me or not depending on whether you think I am a reliable source for what I previously knew or found out after the event.

 
dcsh
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22 March, 2018 13:10
Of course it should be remembered that players do move clubs before their contracts have expired nowadays. So you canít just dismiss a rumour on the grounds that their contract isnít up.

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