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DanWiley
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Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 13:09
"there are even limits on what can be spent on education for the player"

Though no limits on what can be achieved, I saw some Glaws players walking AND talking.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 13:24
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Any signing fees also are only incurred in the year they are effective. So if you have cap space you could in theory use signing fees to offset salary to reduce the burden on future years.

I disagree. The 'salary' which falls under the salary cap and also the calculated weighting includes all of the following:

- Salary, wage, fee, remuneration etc.
- Bonus (match, win, year-end etc.)
- National insurance
- Loan (not paid back in full before end of SCY loan was made).
- Child support / maintenance /school fees
- Accommodation or holiday cost
- Pension (incl. annuities)
- Image Rights payments
- Payment in connection with promotional, media or endorsement work
- Payment for off-field activities for or on behalf of club
Signing on fee, transfer payment, relocation allowance or payment linked to transfer
- Accommodation, holidays, cars, match tickets (other than 4 per match), clothing (other than training kit, official club blazers and other club wear), travel, membership fees, food and drink (other than at matches and training)
- Payment in kind a player would not have received were not for his involvement with a Club
- Redundancy/Compromise etc.
- Agent Fees plus VAT & NI
- Any 3rd Party & Connected Party (e.g. sponsor) payment unless demonstrated separate

So, a signing fee to the player (not the club that let them go which is outside the cap) is salary. The Redundancy/Compromise fee is also 'salary' in relation to our previous discussion.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 13:54
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Any signing fees also are only incurred in the year they are effective. So if you have cap space you could in theory use signing fees to offset salary to reduce the burden on future years.
Nope, signing on fees count as salary, and averaged over the duration of the contract.
ETA: Or, what BathMatt said on a new page



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dr.bath1865
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Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 16:36
Tweet

@dicklovett
It was a pleasure to have @benntaps from @bathrugby collect his new #landrover today! Enjoy the new car Ben smiling smiley

Taps has got a smart new Land Rover in Bath. He wouldn't be getting a new car for only 6 months, surely!

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 16:40
Expect to see him broken down with electrical issues on the A36 sometime soon then if the customer satisfaction surveys are to be believed?

Is it a Bath Rugby Landrover or has he just bought himself a new car and the salesman was wanting some free tweets? Shame we can't see if it has a logo on the side.

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Substitute
Substitute (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 17:25
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BathMatt53
So, a signing fee to the player (not the club that let them go which is outside the cap) is salary. The Redundancy/Compromise fee is also 'salary' in relation to our previous discussion.

According to the regulations it is salary and comes out of the cap, but is loaded to day 1 of the contract.

Quote:
Premier Rugby Salary Cap Regulations

2.3 (General Principles of the Regulations/Operation of the Regulations)

(b) Any payment or benefit in kind which falls within the definition of Salary under the Regulations shall be deemed, for the purposes of the Regulations, to be made in the Salary Cap Year in which the payment is contracted to be paid or in which the service is provided. For the avoidance of doubt and unless it is specifically addressed elsewhere in the Regulations:
(i) any payment amounting to Salary in respect of a Playerís signing-on or contract renewal fee shall be included in the Salary Cap Year in which the first day of the Playerís contract commences and not spread over the term of the Contract;

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
11 January, 2018 17:42
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BathMatt53
So, a signing fee to the player (not the club that let them go which is outside the cap) is salary. The Redundancy/Compromise fee is also 'salary' in relation to our previous discussion.

According to the regulations it is salary and comes out of the cap, but is loaded to day 1 of the contract.

Quote:
Premier Rugby Salary Cap Regulations

2.3 (General Principles of the Regulations/Operation of the Regulations)

(b) Any payment or benefit in kind which falls within the definition of Salary under the Regulations shall be deemed, for the purposes of the Regulations, to be made in the Salary Cap Year in which the payment is contracted to be paid or in which the service is provided. For the avoidance of doubt and unless it is specifically addressed elsewhere in the Regulations:
(i) any payment amounting to Salary in respect of a Playerís signing-on or contract renewal fee shall be included in the Salary Cap Year in which the first day of the Playerís contract commences and not spread over the term of the Contract;

Interesting, so teams well below the cap can just pay a massive signing on fee and low salary, giving them more room in future years...well spotted I didn't know that.

 
BathBurger
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 10:35
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I don't think Cokanasiga is ready for the premiership yet.

Apologies for digging back into the thread somewhat, but I quite agree there's something raw about his talent. However he's performed quite well for LI from what I've seen this season. I believe he was also named in a TOTW recently.

He's 20/21, so let's snap him up if we can! Eddie rates him, he's a similar winger to Banners with his size and he's got serious wheels for a big 'un!

 
Danchinho
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 10:44
From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
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JimDaff (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 10:54
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From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.

So the new Tom Varndell, big, quick but passive at best in defense? Is it worth having a player score a couple of great tries only for him to concede a couple of weak ones?

 
BathBurger
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 10:57
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Danchinho
From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.

Not something I had picked up on but maybe not too surprising. Plenty of big wingers are poor/lazy in defence in one way or another. Nadolo is often criticised for his defensive error count and even Lomu had a tendency to jog back.

That being said they do also unleash a few massive hits from time to time! grinning smiley

 
Barters
King Curtis (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:00
Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:09
"Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees"

To plant in the rec?

 
DanWiley
DanWiley (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:10
When JJ came to us the feeling was he was weak in defence. If that was ever true, and I think it was to a degree, he grew into it. At 21 its not unreasonable for the same thing to happen.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:12
Quote:
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Danchinho
From (admittedly little) i've seen of him. He's got good hands. Hasn't looked good in defence though. I think more worryingly, apart from against Leicester, he hasn't even looked that bothered in defence.

So the new Tom Varndell, big, quick but passive at best in defense? Is it worth having a player score a couple of great tries only for him to concede a couple of weak ones?

Joe Cokanasiga was only 20 a month ago (DOB 15 November 1997). He is 6 months younger than Zach Mercer! There is plenty of time for him to develop in both attack and defence. The fact remains that if he does develop these skills, he is one hell of a physical specimen and would be a catch for any team as a result.



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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:14
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Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...

That's not even funny.

Would just show we've given up on being competitive if it's true.



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Barters
King Curtis (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:24
I like him. He's a classy player - British Lion no less!

Not everyone can be a big name signing!

 
BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:26
Don't need 36, Josh Lewis covers the 10 and 12 positions well enough for me, we could do with spending the money elsewhere as longs as Taps is staying - or at least on a more exciting 12 than him. Plus it would mean we had two 12s called BT which would be confusing.

 
Barters
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:40
Don't worry.


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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:46
I'd be happy with Twelvetrees, he got into a bit of a rut at Gloucester but hes a great player once he cuts out the silly mistakes.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 11:48
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King Curtis
Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...

Shortest transfer rumour in history? Or fastest contract negotiations in history once the Glos Board read KCs comment?

 
Shadders
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 12:08
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King Curtis
Don't worry.

[www.espn.co.uk]

Relief - I was starting to come out in a cold sweat then. Think of all the catches people sat in the front row would have had to make.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 12:13
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
King Curtis
Heard from a good source that Bath are after Twelvetrees...

Shortest transfer rumour in history? Or fastest contract negotiations in history once the Glos Board read KCs comment?
in fairness, the rumour started 6 weeks after being confirmed as false


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BathBurger
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 12:22
#WillisonNot36

 
HMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 14:06
I personally feel that if we are hoping to be a top 4 contender consistently and compete across the AP, Champions Cup etc we need to aim higher than Twelvetrees or Willison. People didn't like Devoto for his supposed brainfarts yet a couple would be happy with Twelvetrees! At least Devoto is a developing player!

I would rather see us sign someone that can play week in/week out in either 12 or 13 shirts where as I feel like this is more useful to us whilst Clark develops and when JJ is with England etc. I hope we are linked with someone of a top calibre who would fit this mould soon! Ngatai or someone of that ilk would be lovely!



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BathMatt53
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Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 14:23
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I personally feel that if we are hoping to be a top 4 contender consistently and compete across the AP, Champions Cup etc we need to aim higher than Twelvetrees or Willison. People didn't like Devoto for his supposed brainfarts yet a couple would be happy with Twelvetrees! At least Devoto is a developing player!
I would rather see us sign someone that can play week in/week out in either 12 or 13 shirts where as I feel like this is more useful to us whilst Clark develops and when JJ is with England etc. I hope we are linked with someone of a top calibre who would fit this mould soon! Ngatai or someone of that ilk would be lovely!

I disagree on this. I think that a quality utility back or two (with James Wilson and Banners likely to leave) would be of more value than a top quality player in one position behind other top quality players who only realistically play one position. They can't all be superstars but we do need some solid and adaptable players to cover injury and international call us.

 
HMilner
Big Dog (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 14:48
Quote:
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Quote:
Big Dog
I personally feel that if we are hoping to be a top 4 contender consistently and compete across the AP, Champions Cup etc we need to aim higher than Twelvetrees or Willison. People didn't like Devoto for his supposed brainfarts yet a couple would be happy with Twelvetrees! At least Devoto is a developing player!
I would rather see us sign someone that can play week in/week out in either 12 or 13 shirts where as I feel like this is more useful to us whilst Clark develops and when JJ is with England etc. I hope we are linked with someone of a top calibre who would fit this mould soon! Ngatai or someone of that ilk would be lovely!

I disagree on this. I think that a quality utility back or two (with James Wilson and Banners likely to leave) would be of more value than a top quality player in one position behind other top quality players who only realistically play one position. They can't all be superstars but we do need some solid and adaptable players to cover injury and international call us.

Bar JJ and Taps (who is yet to be announced as re-signing) we don't have any centres that are established talent though? Clark is showing real promise and is a good young option but we surely need another AP quality player who could slot in to start 12/13 in the absence of either of JJ/Taps?

I personally believe - and I'm basing this on personal experience as well as the fact that Wasps, Exeter and Sarries (the three best teams in our league) all have very good centre choices and they all seem to be doing pretty well - that your back three talent is only ever as good as the players inside of them. Having Roko, Brew, Watson et al is only any good if we can get the ball to them in those games where JJ may be away and maybe Taps is injured! Otherwise it's just Clark and the young fella from Leeds in our centres - neither of whom is an experienced head!



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
12 January, 2018 14:59
Quote:

Bar JJ and Taps (who is yet to be announced as re-signing) we don't have any centres that are established talent though? Clark is showing real promise and is a good young option but we surely need another AP quality player who could slot in to start 12/13 in the absence of either of JJ/Taps?

I personally believe - and I'm basing this on personal experience as well as the fact that Wasps, Exeter and Sarries (the three best teams in our league) all have very good centre choices and they all seem to be doing pretty well - that your back three talent is only ever as good as the players inside of them. Having Roko, Brew, Watson et al is only any good if we can get the ball to them in those games where JJ may be away and maybe Taps is injured! Otherwise it's just Clark and the young fella from Leeds in our centres - neither of whom is an experienced head!

But BD's point was that Willison wasn't suitable? He is a solid dependable prem quality centre (who covers both positions) surely? Add Clark and Lewis and a good quality utility back would be handy. Interesting that you mention wasps and exe in particular who do have utility backs - Nowell, Slade, Lachie T for example can all cover multiple positions. Wasps have Millar and Gopperth and did have Beale who again can cover a few. Freddie can do a job and so can RP when they rotate but it doesn't help us at 13 at the mo, unless Wilson and Brew are covering this position?

I guess my point was that Willison would be good IMO, or (and?) another who can cover multiple positions preferably with JW and MB off.

 
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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 13:48
Taps and Auterac confirmed Quinswards.

 
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Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 13:56
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Rawce
Taps and Auterac confirmed Quinswards.

Where is this confirmed Race? Taps a bigger loss imho...



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Rawce (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 13:59
Chronic Whatís App.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 13:59

 
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Clarkey3k (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 14:08
Well I'm really hosed off now. Who is to be our 2nd playmaker? Will RP play #12 with FB #10?



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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 15:11
Dan Evans on facebook sounds confident that there will be signings as he has names this time - "some not mentioned in the article"

I think its imperative that we bring in at least two midfielders with Banahan going, you can't count on Clark yet, he needs a tleast a full season without major injury under his belt.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 15:47
No doubt Taps will be replaced by a cheaper less able centre.

Does anyone actually want to stay at Bath?



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BathBurger
BathBurger (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 16:00
Quote:
OutsideBath
No doubt Taps will be replaced by a cheaper less able centre.
Does anyone actually want to stay at Bath?

Do you mean apart from all those who have re-signed?

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 16:15
2016/17 " Our squad's too small! How did this happen! We need at least a dozen new players, and we need them NOW!"

2017/18 "Why are all these players leaving? Why are we only replacing them with cheaper options? We need to cut the cheap deadwood, give 40 players pay rises, and then buy half a dozen international stars to start ahead of the players we've just given pay rises to!"

2018/19 "How dare they accuse us of breaking the salary cap? Don't they know that we had to give the entire squad an overhaul and pay rise?"



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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 16:22
2016/17, 2017/18, 2018/19

Why are we unable to get a good squad balance to be competitive?



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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 16:42
Can we have Olly Woodburn back ?

Devastating for Exeter today

 
Ali1969
Ali1969 (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 17:56
BT very underrated imho, how are we supposed to get any kind of continuity if our back line in key positions changes every season - this season we are suffering as RP and FB have to bed in following GF's departure.

Just as BT is trying to form a 10/12 combination he is off so it means a new combination for next season!!

 
Danchinho
Danchinho (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 19:41
If we're paying JJ big money I'd move him on to because it's a total waste of cap money given the way we play.



I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

 
Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 21:33
Olly Woodburn was excellent and scored two tries when heavily marked and were hardly on. His defensive work is top rate and his fielding of high balls is truly exceptional. Also he showed up regularly in midfield running of the centres and around the corners of rucks and mauls.

I do know that after the way he was treated by Bath, he would never return even if it is was the last club available. Much of that is down to a previous regime and the fact Ali Hepher and Mr Baxter have shown their faith in him and brought his game on tremendously. Really nice guy who still is friendly with one or two at Bath.

I believe Ian Whitten is out of contract at the Chiefs at the season end and would be a priority target for me. But again he would be very difficult to prize away from where him and his family are very happy.

 
Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 22:56
Losing Banahan & Tapuai because we canít afford them is exceedingly worrying. When we are so short of good experienced players in these positions we have to prioritise their retention. I can only think that we are spending far too much on several players who are not delivering as much as the two who are leaving. I am not at all confident we will secure the players we need as we didnít last season & if we do I doubt they will be as effective as these two. I donít know whatís happened to Autorac this season as he really looked to be going places.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 23:03
Auterac is going places - The Stoop!

 
Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 23:16
Why don't we tear up all existing players contracts or put them on minimal wages, and pay all players by results? Wins mean big bonuses and losses mean very low wages. I think this will concentrate minds of those on the field, ensure training is meaningful and competitive and they would certainly put more into their respective games and skills, and no doubt support each other more, ot they and their families may not eat.

Incentivising earnings by results certainly keeps much of the working population in the real world eyes on the ball and may well prove what is needed to succeed in the competitive environment of a team sport. All the squad will want to start, fighting for places and they would not take kindly for those around them who make mistakes or lack the required skills or efforts.

We definitely need to try something radical as everything else appears to be failing and the players are not following what the coaches want and expect. Those on a winning side may well earn more than they currently do and those who are not playing or starting will earn less. Seems like a win win situation to me.

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
13 January, 2018 23:32
Please don't post at all if the above is all you can offer, just seems like you are bored!

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 08:47
Unfortunately, BoB has written that at least once a year for at least a decade. I don't see him stopping any time soon, it's almost like he actually believes his own bull****



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Field marshall
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 08:49
I wonder if you'll keep phillips?
He has offers from Top14 and AP clubs but I understand he's keen to stay. No offer as yet though.

 
ballsout
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 10:26
Of course the Top 14 are interested in him

Quote:
Bathovalballer
Why don't we tear up all existing players contracts or put them on minimal wages, and pay all players by results? Wins mean big bonuses and losses mean very low wages. I think this will concentrate minds of those on the field, ensure training is meaningful and competitive and they would certainly put more into their respective games and skills, and no doubt support each other more, ot they and their families may not eat.
Incentivising earnings by results certainly keeps much of the working population in the real world eyes on the ball and may well prove what is needed to succeed in the competitive environment of a team sport. All the squad will want to start, fighting for places and they would not take kindly for those around them who make mistakes or lack the required skills or efforts.

We definitely need to try something radical as everything else appears to be failing and the players are not following what the coaches want and expect. Those on a winning side may well earn more than they currently do and those who are not playing or starting will earn less. Seems like a win win situation to me.

A new low

 
Rolfs_Cartoon_Club
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 10:44
We seem to be paying the price of profligacy and lip service to the salary cap for the past five years, and that BC is trying to be squeaky clean in the eyes of the authorities.

Unfortunately, if that is the case it means we are having to rearrange our budget in allowing players to leave, and signing less well known names to make up the shortfall.

Iím slightly annoyed / concerned that those clubs with significant South African investment are carrying on as normal, splashing big cash that doesnít reconcile with the salary cap.

 
Boldangrey
Boldangrey (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 10:47
How come a prop and a second row quietly dozing in Wales come to Bath and their career is suddenly re-vitalised?

Are we doing something right or do they just appreciate the loafers?

 
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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 10:55
Might even add a winger a 9 and 10 to that list, BnG but obviously not so recent, can it be that TB (and TM) have done something worthwhile?

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 11:06
Maybe we overpaid for Faletau and with BC tightening the purse strings we are suffering in other areas?



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Old Bath Tub
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 11:17
Quote:
@Hydor18
We seem to be paying the price of profligacy and lip service to the salary cap for the past five years, and that BC is trying to be squeaky clean in the eyes of the authorities.
Unfortunately, if that is the case it means we are having to rearrange our budget in allowing players to leave, and signing less well known names to make up the shortfall.

Iím slightly annoyed / concerned that those clubs with significant South African investment are carrying on as normal, splashing big cash that doesnít reconcile with the salary cap.


Agree,can we include a Coventry-based club who have signed All Black No 10 Lima Sopoaga
for next season.
(Sm128)

 
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by (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 11:18
If thats the case, then we should let him go.

 
Rolfs_Cartoon_Club
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 12:07
OBT, I have! Wasps have considerable South African investment, hence the number of South African players on their books.

 
BathHalfFull
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Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 15:09
Quote:
@Hydor18
We seem to be paying the price of profligacy and lip service to the salary cap for the past five years, and that BC is trying to be squeaky clean in the eyes of the authorities.
Unfortunately, if that is the case it means we are having to rearrange our budget in allowing players to leave, and signing less well known names to make up the shortfall.

Iím slightly annoyed / concerned that those clubs with significant South African investment are carrying on as normal, splashing big cash that doesnít reconcile with the salary cap.

I agree with your thoughts but unfortunately we have lost the right to be annoyed at teams breaking the cap after our attitude to the cap in recent times. I'd be fascinated to discover if our overspending has painted us into a corner and we're now paying the price. Reeks of irresponsible or naive management unfortunately.

 
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JimDaff (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
14 January, 2018 23:26
Taps leaving is a big blow, now weíre looking for two good quality inside centres not just one! A little worrying that we havenít really had many rumoured to be coming to us either... Maybe if our budget is tight we could look towards the second tier nations and players hungry to prove their potential in the premiership?

 
Shorty Shorty iiv
Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)

Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 09:12
Jamie Roberts to us... Just a thought!

 
DanWiley
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 09:27
Where's that Captain Pickard facepalm...

 
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15 January, 2018 09:48
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Jamie Roberts to us... Just a thought!

Too expensive and too old



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15 January, 2018 10:22
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DanWiley
Where's that Captain Pickard facepalm...

Hahaha... I know itís very unlikely, but he is out of contract this summer and...

1-Supposedly unhappy at Quins after SA game debacle.
2-Heís a centre with experience and muscle, a role we could do with filling.
3-Coming to the end of his international career so available to play for his club more often than not, when fit!
4-Weíre supposedly skint and canít afford Banners, so have we spent it on him within the cap?!
5-We are closer to his motherland.
6-He has the 60 plus caps so doesnít need to to play in Wales if he does want to keep the international door open.
7-Is Taps his replacement?

Just sayin....

 
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15 January, 2018 11:20
I did say late last year that he was in Bath a couple of times with his girlfriend

 
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15 January, 2018 12:56
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Jamie Roberts to us... Just a thought!


Still recovering from that Haskell tackle - ooch!

 
supermarinematt
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 13:05
Josh Lewis leaving to go back to Wales at end of the season .... confirmed on offy

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 13:07
Josh Lewis Bath => Dragons
[www.bathrugby.com]

I suspect that'll put bath back on the look-out for a 3rd choice FH; he's been decent for us, providing good cover, and appeared happy enough to be 3rd choice, especially as we picked him up from the Welsh Prem.
Looking at our FH stocks - we've still got Rory Jennings in the academy at 22, who's just never really looked good enough for this level, so I can't really see him being trusted as 3rd choice FH. Lewis also provided useful cover at IC, so confirming that we need 2 centres incoming.



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15 January, 2018 13:09
Pleased for him, looked like a good young player but was never really going to get much of a chance behind Priestland and Burns. I always thought it was ridiculous that a welsh semi pro came here when Dragons have struggled so much.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 13:14
Of course, the obvious candidate to replace him is to raid our alternative academy, and grab TBC at the same time of JC and JW.
Of course, TBC will be wanting more game-time than he'd likely get here.



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15 January, 2018 13:20
I donít see the point of spending any money on a third choice FH with such strong options on first and second choice. Kahn can probably cover FH at a premiership standard, Jennings, T. Homer can also play there. If we lose both Priestland and Burns for a lenghtly period time, itís probably a good time to use the injury cap

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 13:23
Good point on Kahn, duno why I hadn't thought of that as I've suggested it before; didn't know THomer could play there - if so, then yeah, we're ok. Not that someone like TBC should be costing much money.



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dcsh
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15 January, 2018 13:37
Hopefully we are getting the announcement of all the departures out of the way early and will then move on to bolstering the squad...

 
B4thB4ck
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15 January, 2018 13:53
The availability of some players at the 'alternative academy' (not my words!) might be a bit clearer in a few weeks time as they have matches against Worcs and Saints during the 6N which might define their season.

I'd like to see them stay up personally but in 2 minds if it meant we missed out on a good player or 2.

They wouldn't come to us though surely? Bath are rubbish and the players will be paid only if we win, that's what our 'chief' supporter said anyway.

 
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15 January, 2018 13:57
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Of course, the obvious candidate to replace him is to raid our alternative academy, and grab TBC

Personally I would prefer we signed INSERT NAME HERE

 
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15 January, 2018 13:59
Journalist broadcaster tweeted this morning

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@bathrugby have agreed a deal with @ColomiersRugby tight-head Victor Delmas according to this morning's @midi_olympique



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15 January, 2018 14:19
As said previously we are also supposedly signing the Toulouse forwards/defence coach Pierre-Henry Broncan, who looks to have masterminded Delmas deal with his connections to Colomiers.

 
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15 January, 2018 14:22
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As said previously we are also supposedly signing the Toulouse forwards/defence coach Pierre-Henry Broncan, who looks to have masterminded Delmas deal with his connections to Colomiers.
What do we know about them?


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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 14:22
Finally some positive news from Farleigh, Jack Walker signs a new deal.

[www.bathrugby.com]

 
opti
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15 January, 2018 14:28
How's our history with French props?

 
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15 January, 2018 14:30
Not a lot, maybe someone who can speak French is able to dig out some more information. Malco on facebook said he was told that Broncan specialises in attack but according to wikipedia it looks like all his coaching roles have been looking after the forwards or defence. I seem to recall him having some connection with Bath or Bruce Craig when I looked into him last time.

Delmas is French and listed as 1.89m and 112kg in the local paper, which again confirms his departure for Bath.

Colomiers seems to be a mid table D2 side.

Knight, Perenise and KPN all out of contract at the end of the season, with Lahif and Thomas performing well, I guess this is a way of reducing spending on our THs.

 
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15 January, 2018 14:35
Really clutching at straws but wouldn't mind him bringing Fickou with him from Toulouse.

 
ELT
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15 January, 2018 14:56
I seem to remember that Leroy came to us from Colomiers. That could be a good omen.

 
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15 January, 2018 15:37
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Knight, Perenise and KPN all out of contract at the end of the season, with Lahif and Thomas performing well, I guess this is a way of reducing spending on our THs.

When Spoken to the other week Kane doesnít think he will be here next season.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 15:41
Will be strangely sad about Kane leaving. Especially as his injury came just as he was looking in great form.

 
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15 January, 2018 16:02
I know, although not one of the stars think I will be more upset if he leaves than any of the others this season. Genuinely nice bloke who has lots of time for everyone and gives up a lot of time to support local rugby.
Heís off on holiday to Italy shortly so hopefully it is more than just visiting and he can sort something out for himself when there.

 
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15 January, 2018 16:21
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Of course, the obvious candidate to replace him is to raid our alternative academy, and grab TBC at the same time of JC and JW.
Of course, TBC will be wanting more game-time than he'd likely get here.

TBC = To Be Confirmed?

PG



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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 16:27
Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.

 
opti
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 16:30
Let's hope it works out better than Galasso - who got paid a couple of hundred grand for one tackle on Trevor Leota.

 
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15 January, 2018 16:30
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Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
Thatís what I assumed too.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 16:35
That tackle was worth every centime though wasn't it, Opti?!

 
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15 January, 2018 16:40
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Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
You assume correctly
Jackson Willison confirmed Worcester => Bath
[www.bathrugby.com]
Nice bit of bosh, now for the Tapuai replacement (ideally, one named Johnny W)



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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 16:52
C'est vrai, mon brave!

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 17:00
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Which Tyler
Quote:
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Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
You assume correctly
Jackson Willison confirmed Worcester => Bath
[www.bathrugby.com]
Nice bit of bosh, now for the Tapuai replacement (ideally, one named Johnny W)

Nice to finally have confirmation that someone's joining Bath!



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Re: Transfer rumours
15 January, 2018 20:16
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Of course the Top 14 are interested in him
You doubt it? Ask the french what they want in a forward and they'd pretty much draw you James Phillips. And that's besides the fact it's true, he may be playing rugby in the top 14 next year.

 
Biddy
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Re: Transfer rumours
16 January, 2018 00:50
Yes Banners did!

 
Biddy
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16 January, 2018 00:58
Sorry my previous post saying ď yes Banners didĒ was in reply to a post asking ď Does anyone want to stay at Bath?Ē

 
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16 January, 2018 03:02
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Of course the Top 14 are interested in him
You doubt it? Ask the french what they want in a forward and they'd pretty much draw you James Phillips. And that's besides the fact it's true, he may be playing rugby in the top 14 next year.

Quite the opposite. James Phillips is perfect for the Top 14 style (for lack of a better word) of rugby.

 
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Re: Transfer rumours
16 January, 2018 17:14
Well if Sarries can sign Lewington I see no reason why we cant sign Joe Cokanasiga !

 
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16 January, 2018 18:26
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Well if Sarries can sign Lewington I see no reason why we cant sign Joe Cokanasiga !

Saw his try in the challenge cup last weekend. Can seriously move for a big lad!

 
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16 January, 2018 20:47
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Well if Sarries can sign Lewington I see no reason why we cant sign Joe Cokanasiga !

My understanding is that he has a longer contract, but with a break clause if LI are relegated.
So LI have to go down before we can get in.

 
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16 January, 2018 22:20
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Theo Brophy Clews, I assumed.
You assume correctly
Jackson Willison confirmed Worcester => Bath
[www.bathrugby.com]
Nice bit of bosh, now for the Tapuai replacement (ideally, one named Johnny W)

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