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wetside
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Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 08:50
5.30 tonight on BT Sport



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callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 09:07
Behind closed doors.

 
wetside
wetside (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 09:15
No. Yesterday's tickets valid.

 
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callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 09:30
Yes, westside is correct. Originally they said no spectators. Thankfully sense has now prevailed.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 09:38
Well its snowing and zero degrees in Barnet again today so is the difference that the gritter people are actually working now because its a weekday?

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 09:44
Again, 12 mile diff, but it rained overnight and all the snow on the roads had melted. This is your friendly snow update from West-North West London.

 
annie blackthorn
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 10:49
I suppose there must be a valid reason, but how come it was ok for the Quins snowmatch to go ahead, and not this one? I watched a bit of the Quins game and it honestly didn't look safe for the players with the level of snow. Not that this of course, is a consideration these days.



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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 12:13
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annie blackthorn
I suppose there must be a valid reason, but how come it was ok for the Quins snowmatch to go ahead, and not this one? I watched a bit of the Quins game and it honestly didn't look safe for the players with the level of snow. Not that this of course, is a consideration these days.
probably because it was still nothing to do with the pitch
Safety of the players has far more to do with the hardness of the ground -which really wasn't an issue; than fluffy stuff falling out of the sky



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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 13:27
Clermont no happy and pulling no punches!

Snippet from their statement using Google Translate

"In this story, the club has never been invited to the negotiating table and must adapt to the incompetence of the public authorities and Saracens to organize this major sporting event as it is nevertheless indicated in the specifications of the competition ... all at the expense of the sports preparation of the players and "having fun" with our fans as with vulgar toys"

Link to statement below

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BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 14:25
Crikey! Itís certainly does seem a bit chaotic.

 
Bathovalballer
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 14:58
It has been suggested Sarries deliberately delayed the game so that their players have more rest/recuperation time after their last game and loss, and make Clermont feel even more unsettled/uncomfortable and probably most of their fans having to go home to work. Quins managed to play after all.

Certainly, the organisation doesn't seem very professional to me. Or is that deliberate? Interesting.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 15:12
Would be very surprised if itís anything sinister, just a bit of a cock-up. The communication seems to have been the worst part - late and conflicting information for fans of both sides. Presumably it is pretty difficult for a few Sarries fans to watch tonight as well as CA fans.

Looking forward to watching it on the box tonight nonetheless.

 
westondave
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 15:32
I gather there's video footage around taken just before the game was due to be played showing a furniture van almost slide into the BT TV truck - which may give some clues as to why, after an unexpected but significant fall of snow, it wasn't considered safe to have people trying to get into the stadium, potentially not even safe for the players etc to make the journey in. As for Quins, that game was sufficiently further south for most of the day to have been like it was in Bath with rain and sleet rather than prolonged snow fall, so the roads etc never got to the state they did north of the M4 corridor.

Having said that, the decision making seems to have been particularly "old fart" style - no-one seeming willing to make a decision and stand by it, hence the original plan to play behind closed doors at 2pm changing to 5:30pm (after the players had gone to bed so potentially affecting nutrition planning) which apparently was because they couldn't get an ambulance on site at 2pm.

 
BathBurger
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 15:33
I think Clermont have every right to be annoyed, but I doubt it's sinister.

That being said I will never not enjoy seeing the Frogs get wound up. Good fun.

 
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Which Tyler (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 16:55
Sarries are good, but I'm pretty sure they're not weather gods, or in full executive control of Barnett Council



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BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 17:27
Oh my goodness, Sarries getting destroyed - bet they wish it had been postponed a bit longer. 0-21 after 26 mins. Sarries need to start playing or itís 6 losses on the trot in all competitions...

 
Barnoid
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 17:28
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Which Tyler
Sarries are good [...]

Not on tonightís showing. Getting humped in the first quarter.

 
opti
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 17:39
Watching on BT, blooky great atmosphere at the ground - not quite sure how they've managed that!

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 17:45
What were Clermont doing on their own line there? Poor body positions they were asking to be turned over or have a pen against them. More French brainfarts...lucky not to be punished by Sarries.

 
BathBurger
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:09
This game is a perfect example of why Alex Goode is a defensive liability. Slips off tackles and never in position to make the try saving tackle attempts. Such a shame as he is so creative going forward.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:15
20 missed tackles by Sarries after 51 mins - you canít do that in this competition against guys of this quality.

 
annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:29
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes!
What goes round comesround.

p.s. can't wait for the return in Clermont! Is Bendy playing today?



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BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:35
No Bendy on the bench, coming on now. Their winger Raka is some player.

14-46 final score. Trounced.



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callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:51
What brilliant Clermont support. Best in Europe. Sorry, bar none.

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 18:53
Wow.

 
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 19:04
That is a shocking result, by that I mean I am genuinely shocked...



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TCM2007 (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 19:46
Sarries are in complete meltdown.

(Sm42)



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shipwrecked (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 19:53
So we were whitewashed in weekends results, someone explain to me why France are supposedly a walkover in the 6N's?

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 20:13
Because they donít have many French playing in their Euro teams. I note that Raka has just qualified.

The eye watering thing is that most of the losses for the English teams this weekend were both comprehensive and home fixtures. The coaching had better be spot on this week as some of these teams will be in cauldrons this weekend...



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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 20:36
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hasta
Wow.

+1

Stunning result, made even more so because Clermont are only 9th in the top 14



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DorsetBoy
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 20:48
Stunning result by a fantastic club and something their fans thoroughly deserved.

Crisis at Saints.
Is there a crisis at Sarries?

Not good that all the English teams were beaten with a number of hammerings (Saints, Sarries, Tigers,& to a lesser extent Exeter).

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 20:51
Quote:
shipwrecked
So we were whitewashed in weekends results, someone explain to me why France are supposedly a walkover in the 6N's?

Because their management are a complete joke.

 
ballsout
ballsout (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 20:58
And the Top 14 is a shambles, regardless of one-off matches. The clubs are pretty much at war with the national team, which also doesn't help. French teams are the most unfit in Europe. The list goes on.

 
john fox
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 21:05
Puts our "nearly" success away to Toulon as a reasonable outcome.
Was there something falling from the sky mixed in with the white stuff?

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 21:05
French teams havenít looked the most unfit in Europe. They may train differently but they arenít falling off in the last 15 mins as far as I can see. They are (very) highly paid professionals after all. They do focus very strongly on Euro matches though, like the Irish teams etc.

 
annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 21:50
Ballsout - if you are going to persist in your dismissive mistaken comments, please don't make a fool of yourself as well. Clermont were in no way unfit tonight, anymore than Toulon were over the weekend. Not to mention Bordeaux etc. etc.(Sm145)



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wetside
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 22:08
Seems only 1000 turned up when all 10000 tickets sold for the Sunday. Can't think of any other English club where so many supporters would have not managed to get there even if it was a Monday night.

 
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Robbinho (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 22:50
Bordeaux got 50 put on them by Falcons though!

 
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 23:03
Sarries have become a victim of their own success: players are so good they attract international and Lions selection, so theyíre constantly knackered or injured.

 
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
11 December, 2017 23:52
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Sarries have become a victim of their own success: players are so good they attract international and Lions selection, so theyíre constantly knackered or injured.

This. And once you lose that aura of invincibility, winning games becomes much harder. As those of us with long memories can attest... #19thyearofourrebuildingphase



... IMHO, of course.

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ballsout
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 01:20
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annie blackthorn
Ballsout - if you are going to persist in your dismissive mistaken comments, please don't make a fool of yourself as well. Clermont were in no way unfit tonight, anymore than Toulon were over the weekend. Not to mention Bordeaux etc. etc.(Sm145)

(Sm16)

It's well known that fitness levels in France aren't anywhere near clubs in the UK. It's a low priority for them. Perhaps that's changing but it has certainly been the case for the last few years.

 
ballsout
ballsout (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 01:25
The irony of annie blackthorn telling someone else not to make a fool of themselves.

Quote:
However, Gatland has cited a lack of adequate fitness training at French clubs as one reason that players based on the continent may not be selected.
The head coach said: "We had an experience with Mike Phillips on the weekend (for Wales against New Zealand) where he was blowing after 52 minutes and we had to get him off.

"He was not there, and playing in France you run the risk of not being looked after in terms of our standards and expectations.

"They have a different philosophy out there. They are quality players, but the preparation and approach is different.

"If they do fitness it's normally with one fitness guy who puts a programme up on a wall and the players are not monitored as keenly as clubs in the UK and Ireland probably do, and that is what players have to look at.

"Are they physically in the best shape to compete at the highest level even though they may be playing quite well in France?"

"Weíre thinking about sending one of our trainers to France to do extra work with them."

 
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hasta (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 06:00
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wetside
Seems only 1000 turned up when all 10000 tickets sold for the Sunday. Can't think of any other English club where so many supporters would have not managed to get there even if it was a Monday night.

17:30 kick off though - pretty tough to get there in time after work.

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 06:17
Wow, those few hundred CA supporters sure made a lot of noise! They were amazing last night (as they were when we played them at the Stoop in April 2007).

In terms of fitness you are obviously correct BO that it used to be notorious(ly bad) in France but my understanding is that the influx of foreign coaches and fitness coaches in particular improved this. Toulon are the ones that I had read about previously.

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They seem to be conditioned better now, Bastareaud notwithstanding.



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hemington (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 07:11
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ballsout
The irony of annie blackthorn telling someone else not to make a fool of themselves.
Quote:
However, Gatland has cited a lack of adequate fitness training at French clubs as one reason that players based on the continent may not be selected.
The head coach said: "We had an experience with Mike Phillips on the weekend (for Wales against New Zealand) where he was blowing after 52 minutes and we had to get him off.

"He was not there, and playing in France you run the risk of not being looked after in terms of our standards and expectations.

"They have a different philosophy out there. They are quality players, but the preparation and approach is different.

"If they do fitness it's normally with one fitness guy who puts a programme up on a wall and the players are not monitored as keenly as clubs in the UK and Ireland probably do, and that is what players have to look at.

"Are they physically in the best shape to compete at the highest level even though they may be playing quite well in France?"

"Weíre thinking about sending one of our trainers to France to do extra work with them."

Wow BO quoting Gats in a positive light.

All I can say is what I saw. Clemont did not look unfit in the last quarter last night.

 
cb2
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 08:53
Wales and their media are always doing this with the European results. Whilst this week was a shocker for English sides, I do not see that it will mean anything come 6N time. We will pick our best 23 players and go from there. How Bath did against Toulon does not matter.

 
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OutsideBath (IP Logged)

Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 09:17
The lack of fitness didn't seem to trouble the French sides at the weekend.



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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 09:38
I presume Annie maybe meant to say La Rochelle? They were amazing and try telling any Wasps fan who watched it that they were Ďunfití! They played at a hugely high tempo from 1st min to last in a performance that was breathtaking, refreshing and simply irresistible. Their prop Priso was all over the park, and looked /played more like a centre.

 
annie blackthorn
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 14:35
Indeed I did. Thank you.
Glad I am not the only idiot on the board who can't tell when a team is fit or not.



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ballsout
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 14:53
Can't write and it seems can't read either

 
BathMatt53
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Re: Sarries game v clermont
12 December, 2017 15:34
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Can't write and it seems can't read either

Unnecessary.


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