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Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 11:59
15. Anthony Watson
14. Jack Wilson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. James Wilson
11. Aled Brew
10. Rhys Priestland
9. Kahn Fotuali’i
1. Beno Obano
2. Tom Dunn
3. Henry Thomas
4. Charlie Ewels
5. Luke Charteris
6. Matt Garvey (c)
7. Paul Grant
8. Zach Mercer
Replacements
16. Michael van Vuuren
17. Lucas Noguera
18. Max Lahiff
19. Elliott Stooke
20. James Phillips
21. Chris Cook
22. Freddie Burns
23. Darren Atkins
14. Jack Wilson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. James Wilson
11. Aled Brew
10. Rhys Priestland
9. Kahn Fotuali’i
1. Beno Obano
2. Tom Dunn
3. Henry Thomas
4. Charlie Ewels
5. Luke Charteris
6. Matt Garvey (c)
7. Paul Grant
8. Zach Mercer
Replacements
16. Michael van Vuuren
17. Lucas Noguera
18. Max Lahiff
19. Elliott Stooke
20. James Phillips
21. Chris Cook
22. Freddie Burns
23. Darren Atkins
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 11:59
Wasps team to play Bath
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:03
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:19
Searing back line for wasps, really really good to have JJ back methinks. Would just love some ball retention, give us the platform to challenge their defensive frailties, without which we could become seriously tired of chasing their tails.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:22
Their back line is really going to enjoy our aimless kicking game.
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Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:30
Quote:BathMatt53
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Hes hardly shined in a Bath jersey so far, personally I think he just needs some gametime from the bench.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:54
Quote:BathMatt53
Wasps team to play Bath
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
If we play with our usual 30% possession against that backline we won't get close to winning.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 12:56
I'm not filled with confidence looking at the respective teams. Having said that every time I'd put us as favourites we have lost, so maybe my lack of confidence is a positive.
Looking forward to seeing Eastmond back at the rec, he certainly has something to prove, which is worrying.
Looking forward to seeing Eastmond back at the rec, he certainly has something to prove, which is worrying.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 13:31
Quote:ballsoutQuote:BathMatt53
Wasps team to play Bath
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
If we play with our usual 30% possession against that backline we won't get close to winning.
We beat them at the Ricoh with 34% possession!
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 13:48
What’s happened to Louw & Banahan? I have evidently missed something. I fear that our pack may struggle to gain enough ball. Let’s hope we defend a whole lot better than against Sale.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 13:51
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:ballsoutQuote:BathMatt53
Wasps team to play Bath
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
If we play with our usual 30% possession against that backline we won't get close to winning.
We beat them at the Ricoh with 34% possession!
Heavy rain that day and they didn't have Le Roux, De Jongh, Eastmond, Watson, Cipriani or Robson!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/12/2017 13:52 by ballsout.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 13:52
Both got injured at Sale.
Let's home we both defend and attack a whole lot better than against Sale.
Let's home we both defend and attack a whole lot better than against Sale.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 13:55
Quote:ballsoutQuote:CoochieCooQuote:ballsoutQuote:BathMatt53
Wasps team to play Bath
15. Willie Le Roux
14. Christian Wade
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Kyle Eastmond
11. Marcus Watson
10. Danny Cipriani
9. Dan Robson
1. Simon McIntyre
2. Tom Cruse
3. Jake Cooper-Woolley
4. Joe Launchbury ©
5. Kearnan Myall
6. James Haskell
7. Thomas Young
8. Nizaam Carr
If we play with our usual 30% possession against that backline we won't get close to winning.
We beat them at the Ricoh with 34% possession!
Heavy rain that day and they didn't have Le Roux, De Jongh, Eastmond, Watson, Cipriani or Robson!
Their backline on that day was:
Simpson
Gopperth
Bassett
Macken
Daly
Wade
Miller
so Eastmond/Cipriani over Macken and Le Roux over Miller, but not exactly a terrible set.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 14:23
Quote:byQuote:BathMatt53
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Hes hardly shined in a Bath jersey so far, personally I think he just needs some gametime from the bench.
Hasn't really had much of a chance to shine with RP's form, agree he needs to play more as a first choice pick rather than as a fill in for the 6N, if I were him I wouldn't be too pleased about the amount of game time.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 14:26
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:byQuote:BathMatt53
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Hes hardly shined in a Bath jersey so far, personally I think he just needs some gametime from the bench.
Hasn't really had much of a chance to shine with RP's form, agree he needs to play more as a first choice pick rather than as a fill in for the 6N, if I were him I wouldn't be too pleased about the amount of game time.
When he has one good game for Bath, he can feel aggrieved at the amount of game time he's getting. Until then...
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 15:20
He really shouldn't be feeling aggrieved.
He missed pre-season and the opening match with concussion, whilst Rhys proved that he was playing well, just as Freddie started looking like a starter, he picked up a ban.
He can start feeling that he deserves to be first choice the moment he starts playing better than his rival. Quality wise, there's not much between the two of them, though Rhys has more experience at the top level, so it comes down to form and game-plan. Rhys has been in better form all season, and his natural style seems better aligned to the territory based game-plan we're playing this year (and we are playing that game-plan, even if Todd claims that we aren't)
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/12/2017 17:32 by Which Tyler.
He missed pre-season and the opening match with concussion, whilst Rhys proved that he was playing well, just as Freddie started looking like a starter, he picked up a ban.
He can start feeling that he deserves to be first choice the moment he starts playing better than his rival. Quality wise, there's not much between the two of them, though Rhys has more experience at the top level, so it comes down to form and game-plan. Rhys has been in better form all season, and his natural style seems better aligned to the territory based game-plan we're playing this year (and we are playing that game-plan, even if Todd claims that we aren't)
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28/12/2017 17:32 by Which Tyler.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 16:52
Quote:ballsoutQuote:shipwreckedQuote:byQuote:BathMatt53
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Hes hardly shined in a Bath jersey so far, personally I think he just needs some gametime from the bench.
Hasn't really had much of a chance to shine with RP's form, agree he needs to play more as a first choice pick rather than as a fill in for the 6N, if I were him I wouldn't be too pleased about the amount of game time.
When he has one good game for Bath, he can feel aggrieved at the amount of game time he's getting. Until then...
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Like this one? Personally, in the games when an attacking 10 is needed, I would play him over RP.
He was concussed at the start of the season and has his ban but these days isn't even used as a sub? Is he really not worth even 25 mins against a tired opposition?
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 16:55
Bet he regrets moving to Bath now.
The only chance we have of winning tomorrow is to score at least 4 tries, which would have been far more likely with FB.
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The only chance we have of winning tomorrow is to score at least 4 tries, which would have been far more likely with FB.
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Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 17:21
Why would he regret moving? No matter where you go, coaches will pick the best players available, we know he’s got the ability, he just needs to take the opportunities when they come.
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 17:23
Quote:Define "these days" - baring in mind that he started last week, and has twice this season been on the bench without playing any part, and one of those was his first match for the club when he hadn't trained with us yet.BathMatt53
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Like this one? Personally, in the games when an attacking 10 is needed, I would play him over RP.
He was concussed at the start of the season and has his ban but these days isn't even used as a sub? Is he really not worth even 25 mins against a tired opposition?
Incidentally, so far this season he's started 8 matches, benched for 6, and been unavailable for 3. He's racked up 680 minutes so far this season (compared to 670 for Rhys) - source = statbunker.
I prefer his natural style to Rhys's but he hasn't been playing as well, and he's still starting more than half of the matches he's been available for.
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Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 17:39
seems like he has been unavailable for more than 3 to me (with the ban and late return after concussion) but I guess the stats don’t lie. My perception was that when both have been available RP has got the nod?
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 18:44
Banners was seen hobbling around with one of those big boots on, doh!
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 20:56
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:ballsoutQuote:shipwreckedQuote:byQuote:BathMatt53
I’m not sure what Burns has done wrong? I’m worried about Zach against their heavy back row. Their 12 to 14 are nippy and elusive, we need to not be giving them a lot of possession...
Hes hardly shined in a Bath jersey so far, personally I think he just needs some gametime from the bench.
Hasn't really had much of a chance to shine with RP's form, agree he needs to play more as a first choice pick rather than as a fill in for the 6N, if I were him I wouldn't be too pleased about the amount of game time.
When he has one good game for Bath, he can feel aggrieved at the amount of game time he's getting. Until then...
[www.premiershiprugby.com]
Like this one?
I should have clarified, "against quality opposition".
Re: Teams up v wasps
28 December, 2017 21:58
I don't think he feels aggrieved, I think he feels frustrated - he was probably playing the best rugby of his career at the end at Tigers. Unfortunately he got a concussion stand down, Rhys was playing very well and then when he got his chance he got insta-red carded and another ban. He's getting opportunities at least unlike, say, two/three years ago for Rhys. His interview on Flats and Shanks is excellent, open and honest, talks about how he always wants to start or at least come one, hates not playing. Not unhealthy, just competitive.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 03:54
I’ve got some bllxx Barclays vert wazzIng all over my screen . This site’s become unwatchable, well done you @#$%&
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 06:00
Quote:sid the seagull
I’ve got some bllxx Barclays vert wazzIng all over my screen . This site’s become unwatchable, well done you @#$%&
HOP?
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 09:29
Hmm, this is going to be one very tough watch. Such a pivotal match in so many ways, how I miss those 'never in doubt days'!
Will need full 23 to at top of their game plus the 16th player to be at top of their voice, can only think it will be an 80 + minute nail-biter
Will need full 23 to at top of their game plus the 16th player to be at top of their voice, can only think it will be an 80 + minute nail-biter
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 09:35
Quote:sid the seagull
I’ve got some bllxx Barclays vert wazzIng all over my screen . This site’s become unwatchable, well done you @#$%&
Sid I get the same problem on a tablet so use the mobile version instead
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 09:55
One of the few times this season where for me the Bath team looks weaker on paper
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 10:44
Quote:Lost SoulQuote:sid the seagull
I’ve got some bllxx Barclays vert wazzIng all over my screen . This site’s become unwatchable, well done you @#$%&
Sid I get the same problem on a tablet so use the mobile version instead
On my iPad there are no floating adverts with the mobile version. On my iPhone the floating adverts appear but there is an X in the top right of the advert and it deletes it for viewing that thread.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 15:03
Very strong winds in Bath this p.m.
No wreckless kicking please.
No wreckless kicking please.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 19:43
Eastmond out, Lovobalavu to IC; which changes things a little
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 19:57
Good try there by Wasps, going to be a long night for our team I fear.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 19:59
Joseph and Brew prevent 2nd Wasps try
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:01
...to no avail - Wasps 2nd try by Robson
0 v 14
0 v 14
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:01
What is the point.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:02
Another wasps try, not quite a point a minute but we need the ball ...
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:02
Well played Wasps, at one team showed up. Sad.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:03
Bath awarded a scrum - 1st time with ball?
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:04
Almost their third try there.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:05
Bath win penalty at scrum
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:06
Bath penalised at resulting line-out
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:09
Third try by Wasps!!!!!! A total slaughter
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:09
This is not good. Literally zero positives so far
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:10
Absolute embarrassment!!!
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:12
Groundhog day guys - we're not going to get away with it anymore. Big problems
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:12
Could someone pass the vaseline please?
Were not even slowing Wasps ball, let alone challenging at the tackle/ruck; and then we can't string 2 phases of our together
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Were not even slowing Wasps ball, let alone challenging at the tackle/ruck; and then we can't string 2 phases of our together
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:15
This should help... slow Wasps scoring rate a bit
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:17
M Watson yellow for 2nd intentional knock-on
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:19
Bath try disallowed - scrum 5 metres out from Wasps
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:21
RP try!!
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:22
Converted
7 v 19
7 v 19
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:22
There’s no question that we do have real problems with possession or total lack of it & it cannot be disregarded any longer. The Sale match was a wake up call but only gave rise to countless excuses. No doubt this game will result in the same response.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:22
Good try there, fight back??
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:24
Are you allowed to enter a ruck from where the opposition SH would be standing? (Myall)
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:24
RP kicks penalty to Wasps 5 metre
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:25
It's worth saying that we are actually incredibly ruthless - if you divide the number of tries by the number of minutes in possession! If only we had more of the ball...
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:25
Bath penalty advantage attacking Wasps line
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:26
Bath win line-out
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:27
Bath penalty advantage - Wilson try!
12 v 19
12 v 19
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:28
Fight back indeed !!
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:29
Converted
14 v 19
HT
14 v 19
HT
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:32
Phew, let's not start the 2nd half as before. Keep the ball and go through our phases, wr can do this...
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:40
Tbf when we have the ball we make similar gainline successes as they do (albeit far less flashy exciting stuff). We have got to play this second half with more possession. Well recovered lads!
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:52
This is so depressing.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:55
Presumably our cunning plan is to give Wasps their bonus point try and then pounce when they relax.
... IMHO, of course.
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... IMHO, of course.
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 20:58
Was that the 3rd final warning for the Wasps props?
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:04
And again!!!
We score a great try and then mess the lineout up, concede a scrum penalty, concede territory and can't protect the battering ram on our try line.
Come on boys!
We score a great try and then mess the lineout up, concede a scrum penalty, concede territory and can't protect the battering ram on our try line.
Come on boys!
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:07
Quote:BertyWasp
And again!!!
We score a great try and then mess the lineout up, concede a scrum penalty, concede territory and can't protect the battering ram on our try line.
Come on boys!
Unless you are a very very recent convert to the BBW, may I suggest wrong thread, Bertie old boy?
... IMHO, of course.
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:14
Fair play it has been a very entertaining game
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:19
There's a half decent chance we could win this, albeit unlikely. It should not take away from a garbage approach in defence.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:33
Ar$e
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 29/12/2017 21:33 by Which Tyler.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:33
Ah well... close but no cigar. Plenty to work on. What a rip-roaring game though! 2 points that could be vital too.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:33
I'm afraid you can't concede 5 trys and still hope to win
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:36
Shameful basic errors. No committal to the ruck. Really disappointed in that performance tbh.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:43
Quote:joethefanaticQuote:BertyWasp
And again!!!
We score a great try and then mess the lineout up, concede a scrum penalty, concede territory and can't protect the battering ram on our try line.
Come on boys!
Unless you are a very very recent convert to the BBW, may I suggest wrong thread, Bertie old boy?
Oops sorry, got carried away! Great fightback Bath and to be honest I thought you'd score from that final lineout.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:47
If we’d defended like we did in the final 20 in the first 20 it would have been a different game.
We totally got it wrong in the first half hour, completely awful, worst I’ve seen us play for ages (to coin a phrase). Terrible defence, useless in attack or even just in clearing our lines.
Getting two points after that is extraordinary.
Keep this up and I’ll be moving to dark side...
Stuart
Former ed.
We totally got it wrong in the first half hour, completely awful, worst I’ve seen us play for ages (to coin a phrase). Terrible defence, useless in attack or even just in clearing our lines.
Getting two points after that is extraordinary.
Keep this up and I’ll be moving to dark side...
Stuart
Former ed.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 21:58
Listening to R5L sounds like Cipriani had a great game, didn't think we would win after they scored first in 2nd half. TB must be tearing his hair out and I await his post match comments. Does he need to use cr@p again?
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Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 22:06
That's not a team that's being coached to premiership standards
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 22:32
I'm surprised he didn't smash the window when Chris Cook kicked the ball into the midfield with 7 minutes to go.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 22:58
Why can’t we compete at the breakdown? I watched one ruck where Matt Garvey got pushed backwards by Danny Cipriani. Surely there must be a mindset issue?
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 23:17
The tactics are just so odd. Let them have the ball and...well...what’s the next bit? Give it to Watson? Not sure what has happened to our scrum halves recently either. Needs to be a rethink imo.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 23:29
The first 30 minutes was the worst Bath rugby I’ve seen in my 15+ years as an ST holder. Truly shocking.
Once we’d got back into it the most annoying thing is that despite Wasps scintillating offload game they were eminently beatable if we did the basics well, kept the ball and ran hard and straight through the middle of their marshmallow defence. Alas ....
They’ll be more calls on ere for Todd to go and it becomes harder to argue against it if we persist with the game plan of continually box kicking possession away.
Once we’d got back into it the most annoying thing is that despite Wasps scintillating offload game they were eminently beatable if we did the basics well, kept the ball and ran hard and straight through the middle of their marshmallow defence. Alas ....
They’ll be more calls on ere for Todd to go and it becomes harder to argue against it if we persist with the game plan of continually box kicking possession away.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 23:35
The first half hour was shameful, and yet entirely predictable. We offered absolutely nothing. Barely touched the ball (standard), and just got blasted backwards with wave after wave of patient, skilful Wasps play. There tries conceded and it was game over.
It's embarrassing how we can't string two phases together.
It's embarrassing how we can't string two phases together.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 23:40
We seem to be continually adopting the same game plan if you can call it a plan. Nothing seems to get learnt from previous failures. Either these things aren’t being coached or the players are not taking any notice so the coaches clearly don’t have any influence. I don’t expect us to win every match but neither do I expect us to concede 3 tries in 20 mins as we have done on a number of occasions this season. As someone else has suggested we seem to be going backwards. It’s bad enough for us but it must be infuriating for Bruce Craig.At the present time the only team I can say we are playing any better than is London Irish. It’s difficult to comprehend how we had 6 players in Eddie’s training squad playing tonight.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 29/12/2017 23:48 by Bath Hammer.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 29/12/2017 23:48 by Bath Hammer.
Re: Teams up v wasps
29 December, 2017 23:51
Wow. I’m not sure I can ever remember 100% consensus on the fact that we were clueless and awful...not entirely sure where we go from here? How do we score without the ball? How do we win the ball when we don’t compete in the rucks? How do we keep the ball when we don’t catch it in the lineout, put in isolated runners and poorly execute the maul?
(Watching the Leinster Vs Exeter games the other week would be a start imo).
I struggled to find a positive but the scrum was great and Stooke was an animal, screaming at his teammates constantly.
(Watching the Leinster Vs Exeter games the other week would be a start imo).
I struggled to find a positive but the scrum was great and Stooke was an animal, screaming at his teammates constantly.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 01:34
Can someone give somebody positivity for this debacle please as I'm struggling to find a reason to keep going to the games.
What the hell is TB up to with this pointless kick and hope strategy.
Really can't see how we will be anywhere near top 6 come the end of the season.
Totally @#$%& off that I wasted the evening watching that rubbish.
Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18
What the hell is TB up to with this pointless kick and hope strategy.
Really can't see how we will be anywhere near top 6 come the end of the season.
Totally @#$%& off that I wasted the evening watching that rubbish.
Jack Wilson - Adopted player 2017/18
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 01:59
Who exactly is Charlie Ewell? ( I’d rather have 3 Elliot Stookes).
A. Probs thoroughly lovely chap and all but can you imagine him changing a game?
Cips was brilliant, Eddie?
Take players the quality of Roko, Faletau and Louwe out and it will make massive differences of course, but what really is the plan?
PECK
A. Probs thoroughly lovely chap and all but can you imagine him changing a game?
Cips was brilliant, Eddie?
Take players the quality of Roko, Faletau and Louwe out and it will make massive differences of course, but what really is the plan?
PECK
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 02:05
Quote:sid the seagull
Who exactly is Charlie Ewell?
Not sure. Is he related to Charlie Ewels?
Quote:sid the seagull
( I’d rather have 3 Elliot Stookes).
I'd rather have three similarly skilled players for the price of 1 as well.
Quote:sid the seagull
A. Probs thoroughly lovely chap and all but can you imagine him changing a game?
Would you notice if he had? Oh and he was on the field for 20 minutes today.
Quote:Cips was brilliant, Eddie?
Ford and Farrell are brilliant, consistently. Cipriani has as many shockers as he has good days.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 02:12
Quote:ballsout
[Ford and Farrell are brilliant, consistently. Cipriani has as many shockers as he has good days.
Ford looking pretty ordinary for the Tigs just at the moment. Farrell I'll give you.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 09:20
We lost to a team that are above us in the Prem.
Before the match most people expected this and would have settled for a losing BP. We also got a try BP.
At times we were dire but lost by 4 tries to 5. At times we were excellent (the pack). Zac Mercer is outstanding.
We are currently fifth and unlikely to be overtaken this w/e.
No need for the Mess Webley yet!
Before the match most people expected this and would have settled for a losing BP. We also got a try BP.
At times we were dire but lost by 4 tries to 5. At times we were excellent (the pack). Zac Mercer is outstanding.
We are currently fifth and unlikely to be overtaken this w/e.
No need for the Mess Webley yet!
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 09:30
Quote:Boldangrey
We lost to a team that are above us in the Prem.
Just, we had beaten them away and now we were at home. The bookies had us by 2 points and we were nearly 20 down in as many minutes before the yellow card lifeline.
Before the match most people expected this and would have settled for a losing BP.
Nonsense! Especially if you told them that wasps would have 14 for 60 mins.
We also got a try BP.
At times we were dire but lost by 4 tries to 5. At times we were excellent (the pack). Zac Mercer is outstanding.
Even mercer can’t do much without the ball.
We are currently fifth and unlikely to be overtaken this w/e.
Other teams will pick up 4-5 points though.
No need for the Mess Webley yet!
It’s the performance that has depressed and the thought that unless the game plan changes pretty drastically we will be watching more of the same the next match, and the match after etc.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 09:46
Quote:BathMatt53)
It’s the performance that has depressed and the thought that unless the game plan changes pretty drastically we will be watching more of the same the next match, and the match after etc.[/quote
+1 So we just say to ourselves they are better than us & we cannot expect to beat them on our own turf. Some of us had hoped for better than that this season but it’s always the same.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 09:55
I don't think anyone on here wants Todd to leave, we want a replacement for Matson and IMO a freshen up of the backroom staff.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 10:03
Don’t want him to leave at all but want him to recognise that his current system of play isn’t working.
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 11:50
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:Boldangrey
We lost to a team that are above us in the Prem.
Just, we had beaten them away and now we were at home. The bookies had us by 2 points and we were nearly 20 down in as many minutes before the yellow card lifeline.
Before the match most people expected this and would have settled for a losing BP.
Nonsense! Especially if you told them that wasps would have 14 for 60 mins.
We also got a try BP.
At times we were dire but lost by 4 tries to 5. At times we were excellent (the pack). Zac Mercer is outstanding.
Even mercer can’t do much without the ball.
We are currently fifth and unlikely to be overtaken this w/e.
Other teams will pick up 4-5 points though.
No need for the Mess Webley yet!
It’s the performance that has depressed and the thought that unless the game plan changes pretty drastically we will be watching more of the same the next match, and the match after etc.
Exactly my point.
If we play as badly, but come so close how good could we be?
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 11:55
[quote Boldangrey]
It’s the performance that has depressed and the thought that unless the game plan changes pretty drastically we will be watching more of the same the next match, and the match after etc.[/quote]
Exactly my point.
If we play as badly, but come so close how good could we be?[/quote]
It is true that we did take most of our chances yesterday but that isn’t always the case. I fear you logic whilst cheery is a touch flawed
It’s the performance that has depressed and the thought that unless the game plan changes pretty drastically we will be watching more of the same the next match, and the match after etc.[/quote]
Exactly my point.
If we play as badly, but come so close how good could we be?[/quote]
It is true that we did take most of our chances yesterday but that isn’t always the case. I fear you logic whilst cheery is a touch flawed
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 12:03
I don't expect a team of Baths quality to lose at home.* The rest is straw clutching. We are playing well one game in three (if that) and unless there is some real sign of progress in our game plan and tactics then more and more people will start questioning precisely what TB is actually doing and whether it's worth persevering with.
*aside from the very occasional bad day at the office or to the best in Europe.
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
*aside from the very occasional bad day at the office or to the best in Europe.
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."
Re: Teams up v wasps
30 December, 2017 12:05
Most people on here can see that our tactics aren't working why can't TB. It doesn't matter who is playing, it is the approach that we have that is all wrong. The best teams in the premiership and Europe treasure the ball. We, like Northampton are playing rugby from a different era when it was easier to turn the ball over and territory was key. That is not the case now. You won't win anything box kixking from the halfway line as it offers the other team a broken field to run into.
Luckily in the premiership I think Wasps and Exeter are far above the rest, and play in this way, and everyone else is much of a muchness. I think we do have the players to play a posession game, the players just need to be given the freedom to do so
Luckily in the premiership I think Wasps and Exeter are far above the rest, and play in this way, and everyone else is much of a muchness. I think we do have the players to play a posession game, the players just need to be given the freedom to do so
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